Unusual high sniping activity of very few players

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@ffm2 excellent work. I'm happy to see you confirm my words from the beggining.  Yes hardware mouse gives advantage as any better device. Anyway definitely it is not auto-snipping with programmed smart logic of targeting. 

Now we must decide if this is cheating (as you pointed your own opinion that it is cheating) or this is standard way how to utilize better hardware we have on the market. What do you guys think? Should we ban specific mouse types? or gaming keyboards? (just imagine with gaming  keyboard you also get 0.2ms advantage of poushing key) in general all better hw gives you little edge.

 

 

[Atrik]

21 minutes ago, 0 calories said:

confirm my words from the beggining.  Yes hardware mouse gives advantage as any better device. Anyway definitely it is not auto-snipping with programmed smart logic of targeting. 

Rly? What about the auto-sniping script that was the only explanation of why sometimes i lost for reason i couldn't grasp?

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21 minutes ago, Atrik said:

Rly? What about the auto-sniping script that was the only explanation of why sometimes i lost for reason i couldn't grasp?

is it the auto-snipping script you "rumours" delivered to Stockfish?  maybe share the replays what are you reffering to, let ffm2 or others to look into the activities. We don't want just spread rumors, lies etc.. right?

[borg-]

I bring a truth here, I will only be able to be defeated when they create a script that turns off my monitor, and maybe even then I will win 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

8 hours ago, 0 calories said:

in general all better hw gives you little edge.

The "little edge" you speak of is not cheating, if it were considered cheating, it would be impossible to catch or regulate.

click multipliers and macros are certainly detectable with tools like this one, but not obvious in real time. These should be considered cheating, but there is no practical means to regulate their use.

[ffm2]

I'm not talking about hardware. Hardware cheats could exist too, like in the video of the lego-mouse. I'm also not talking of lubricated keyboard switches, spring resistance or such. I'm talking about software. If it runs on your mouse it's called firmware. If some software on your OS post processes the key-hold to a key-tap it's also software. You get a advantage here by a piece of software. It's different than a benefit by having a bigger monitor, faster pc or adjusting the cpi value of the mouse.

One of this auto clickers is called razor turbo mode.

Some games that names the cheating cheating runescape, ea, minecraft

The razor users themself in their reddit says its ok (2 users)

Not everything need to be explained that it's cheating. If you have a person sitting in the room spectating and telling you game information that's also cheating, although no one specified it somewhere here (afaik). But it might be a idea to create such a site for rules of fair-play.

[Atrik]

1 hour ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

there is no practical means to regulate their use

Best solution would be to get rid of weak mechanics, usage of alt for targeting is clearly not adapted when you need to click 100 times.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

I've been working on this partial solution for sniping (https://gitea.wildfiregames.com/0ad/0ad/pulls/6960) but its hard to get ppl to test, now I am pretty much too busy to worry about the rough sort idea. Unless someone can pull off a micacle and figure out the OOS. Depending on the release process, I might be able to get it working.

Even still, that is just a potential solution. You can't just "delete" sniping, unless you want to eliminate order-1-unit.

you can reduce its generalizability and effectiveness as I have tried. Further benefits would be to increase the ways in which units are counters of one another, which is very difficult with the citizen soldier model. I do have some ideas that could help but they are a long way off, although they could be tested with the com mod.

Edited 2 hours ago by real_tabasco_sauce