Geriatrix Stop behaving like this

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

On 31/08/2024 at 2:08 PM, Grautvornix said:

and - maybe I am missing something - but I still don't understand why a spectator can be considered disturbing enough to request him to be banned from speccing

it was about someone's pre-existing personal dislike for that spec, the spectating player had not written anything in chat.

 

[leopard]

@Norse_Harold @Player of 0AD meant the message as a joke, if you can revert the punishment you did to him It will be good, Weirdjokes has contributed much to the game, so it will not be justice if we punish him by mistake. I don't care if it was insulting to me or not now, I am getting insulted much worse in real life and with threats to rape my mother and sister and wife, so I can consider this as a harmless Joke, I don't care anymore.

[MarcusAureliu#s]

16 minutes ago, leopard said:

@Norse_Harold @Player of 0AD meant the message as a joke, if you can revert the punishment you did to him It will be good, Weirdjokes has contributed much to the game, so it will not be justice if we punish him by mistake. I don't care if it was insulting to me or not now, I am getting insulted much worse in real life and with threats to rape my mother and sister and wife, so I can consider this as a harmless Joke, I don't care anymore.

wtf, get out of the environment you are in if u can

[leopard]

10 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

wtf, get out of the environment you are in if u can

he can't do it, he is trying to provoke me and get me in a place where he can beat me up. I've had people wanting to beat me up all the time, they live near me and in past also in college. but this guy crossed many boundaries.

I am only peaceful until I am able to buy a gun. may be I will have to be peaceful until my death because I am that broke . I've tried the running part in the past, it is impossible for me to live anywhere else due to financial problems maybe find a new job somewhere else.

[Norse_Harold]

10 hours ago, leopard said:

if you can revert the punishment you did to him It will be good, Weirdjokes has contributed much to the game, so it will not be justice if we punish him by mistake.

leopard did not ask me to punish weirdJokes. I issued the infraction because I perceived a violation of the terms of use.

Regardless of severity, I consider it a significant violation of the terms of use because it's a form of bullying. It was not a mistaken punishment. The infraction points will help to remind weirdJokes that he needs to avoid doing that sort of thing again, even as a forum private message.

I don't think that leopard is a saint in terms of his conduct, as I've seen him insult people and lose his temper at times. Still, two wrongs don't make a right.

I think that it would be good to gather the three of us for a discussion in order to find common ground, do arbitration, and do conflict resolution. I want to be friends with both leopard and weirdJokes. I want to get past this video clip. I want to discover that weirdJokes actually means no harm and is not acting in concert with Geriatrix. I want to reassure both of you that you are and can be friends, who follow the rules, and who treat each other with respect. The way to do that is to have a mediated real-time conversation.

weirdJokes and leopard, when are you available to meet me on IRC, preferably around 17:00 UTC on a weekday?

[Norse_Harold]

1 minute ago, leopard said:

I am only peaceful until I am able to buy a gun.

Actually, one is expected to be more peaceful when one is carrying a concealed firearm, at least in the US. Here the courts tend to be reluctant to consider a shooting to be in self defense unless the person did as much as they could to avoid, defuse, and in some states, retreat from any potential conflict. In California, gun owners are expected to run from their own homes if they're attacked by home invaders...

I guess that it's similar or even more difficult to successfully argue self defense in most other countries.

[leopard]

1 minute ago, Norse_Harold said:

I guess that it's similar or even more difficult to successfully argue self defense in most other countries

In India it is nearly impossible to acquire a gun, I don't think there are any factories in India that produces Guns. I am not planning to obey the law if I have a machine gun.

[Norse_Harold]

10 minutes ago, leopard said:

I am not planning to obey the law if I have a machine gun.

Maybe someone has been watching too many Batman movies and playing too much Grand Theft Auto. Anyway, GTA has a lesson: there's always a higher power that can be brought in to counter whatever firepower one brings to the situation.

[leopard]

@Dunedan you cannot mute Geriatrix, but can mute me without thinking twice. 

No punishment for Geriatrix, 

can you say why did you mute me, what was the bad word I used in the lobby to mute me

[borg-]

11 minutes ago, leopard said:

@Dunedan you cannot mute Geriatrix, but can mute me without thinking twice. 

No punishment for Geriatrix, 

can you say why did you mute me, what was the bad word I used in the lobby to mute me

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Edited November 7 by borg-

[Dunedan]

8 minutes ago, leopard said:

@Dunedan you cannot mute Geriatrix, but can mute me without thinking twice. 

No punishment for Geriatrix, 

• It's a team of moderators prosecuting violations of the Terms of Use. It's not just me.
• Everybody is treated by the same standards, however moderators are just humans and might miss violations. If you feel some behavior should've been punished, please report that privately to a moderator.

10 minutes ago, leopard said:

can you say why did you mute me, what was the bad word I used in the lobby to mute me

You posted Hindi text containing profanity. Just because it's not English doesn't mean it won't be prosecuted.

[leopard]

13 hours ago, Dunedan said:

You posted Hindi text containing profanity. Just because it's not English doesn't mean it won't be prosecuted.

Hindi text means "That idiot won't let me play" no profanity, just read the comments in this post I have provided a lot of screenshots of geriatrix saying worse to me

Edited November 8 by leopard

[leopard]

Chat 132:
  Sender: ffm (1632)
  GUID: D0429D76231163FD
  Message: one game you see the allies one you dont. weird

Chat 133:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: its a setting

Chat 134:
  Sender: ffm (1632)
  GUID: D0429D76231163FD
  Message: yeah. i just mean ...

Chat 135:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: i find clicking the button annoying

Chat 136:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: and just slows the game

Chat 137:
  Sender: Meister_Augustus (1654)
  GUID: 71A8F4079210409B
  Message: but not seeing if ally is rushed adds new things to the game

Chat 138:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: or coordinating with ally allows for 2v1 possiblities

Chat 139:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: two sides of everything

Chat 140:
  Sender: leopard (1311)
  GUID: 01B6F7193D67C0D4
  Message: game will end fast if border don't call for support

Chat 141:
  Sender: leopard (1311)
  GUID: 01B6F7193D67C0D4
  Message: and pocket didn't click it

Chat 142:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: because what I want is an ally that doesn't know how to use chat

Chat 143:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: last game

Chat 144:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: bored called for help

Chat 145:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: and wollow took 2 mins to move

Chat 146:
  Sender: leopard (1311)
  GUID: 01B6F7193D67C0D4
  Message: in another game pistolpete decided early in game that we have no chance against said and havran and I didn't click ally view, It was quick end for us

Chat 147:
  Sender: Geriatrix (1386)
  GUID: 128D72E34B03F2A3
  Message: can he shut up ?

Chat 148:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: go

Chat 149:
  Sender: Flammea (1289)
  GUID: 52225293ED020719
  Message: /allies food chrstgtr (2055)?

Chat 150:
  Sender: Meister_Augustus (1654)
  GUID: 71A8F4079210409B
  Message: stop pause??

Chat 151:
  Sender: leopard (1311)
  GUID: 01B6F7193D67C0D4
  Message: ahh

Chat 152:
  Sender: leopard (1311)
  GUID: 01B6F7193D67C0D4
  Message: see ffm (1632)

Chat 153:
  Sender: Meister_Augustus (1654)
  GUID: 71A8F4079210409B
  Message: he didnt say anything important

Chat 154:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: leopard (1311) sto

Chat 155:
  Sender: ffm (1632)
  GUID: D0429D76231163FD
  Message: well mute helps

Chat 156:
  Sender: chrstgtr (2055)
  GUID: 94337FB2256519C2
  Message: Geriatrix (1386) go

Chat 157:
  Sender: leopard (1311)
  GUID: 01B6F7193D67C0D4
  Message: ok kick me

Chat 158:
  Sender: Meister_Augustus (1654)
  GUID: 71A8F4079210409B
  Message: Geriatrix (1386) go

Chat 159:
  Sender: Ginnungagap
  GUID: 1A59AAD171B6B871
  Message: brb

Chat 160:
  Sender: 0AD_BOSS (603)
  GUID: 6A9D0E2F88762C37
  Message: go Geriatrix (1386)

another example I got banned from game because Geriatrix, 
@Dunedan @MarcusAureliu#s I learned you are a mod now

[leopard]

[Dunedan]

2 hours ago, leopard said:

another example I got banned from game because Geriatrix

Every host is free to mute/kick/ban participants of his games as he likes (with the exception of doing so in rated games to gain an advantage).

[leopard]

15 hours ago, Dunedan said:

Every host is free to mute/kick/ban participants of his games as he likes (with the exception of doing so in rated games to gain an advantage).

I'm not blaming the host but rather the person who held the game hostage. The host had no option other than to ban me, while Geriatrix had the option to mute me if he didn't want to see my messages. The messages I sent were intended for others, not for him. I've already muted Geriatrix and stopped communicating with him directly, but whenever I unmute him, I see messages he's posted about me flooding the lobby.

It almost seems like he’s using a bot to continuously insult me in the lobby. His relentless messaging is causing me mental distress. I believe there should be a rule in 0AD to protect people from this kind of harm. He is attacking my peace of mind, confidence, and reputation by spreading lies against me.
 

Edited November 10 by leopard

[leopard]

I am reporting a person who have an army of fake accounts and it is clear violation of terms and no action from moderators

[Dunedan]

Please do reports privately to me or one of the moderators.

[Seleucids]

This user, whom you refer to as "Geriatrix", is still behaving in similar ways under countless alt accounts. On average, he makes 1 smurf account every 5 days. Generally, a new alt account is born after he has an argument with somebody. 

I have an entire folder full of chatlogs and screenshots of his transgressions against the TOS and other players. He becomes hysterical at random times. However, clearly you cannot do anything about him, because:

1. He knows how to bypass mutes and bans. He has spam posted links to videos teaching ban bypass on multiple occasions, in the public lobby and hosted games. The 0ad moderation techniques are ineffective against him. 

2. Moderators wants to silence any arguments and dissent instead of solving them, because that's less work and keeps the image of 0ad good. In the minds of moderators, he is only verbally toxic and posed no technical threat so he can be royally ignored. 

 

Fortunately, there are ways to deal with him:

1. It's very easy to identify his smurf accounts because he talks in a very particular way and plays certain cav strategies with Romans / Gauls. 

2. Keep a blind eye to him, pretend you didn't know or care. He is calm 50%~80% of the time. 

3. Always talk politely to him even if he insults you. If you can't deal with it anymore, ban.

[Dunedan]

What's so difficult about reporting stuff to me or one of the moderators? Have you done that? I don't think so (at least I don't know about it).

We can only act on violations we know about. So stop the complaining and report violations of the Terms of Use privately to me or one of the moderators.

Aside from that there is also the possibility for the community to outlaw toxic players by not letting them participate in games.

[Seleucids]

1 hour ago, Dunedan said:

What's so difficult about reporting stuff to me or one of the moderators? Have you done that? I don't think so (at least I don't know about it).

We can only act on violations we know about. So stop the complaining and report violations of the Terms of Use privately to me or one of the moderators.

Done. 

If the screenshots and chatlogs provided by everyone in previous messages of this thread + my PM to you aren't enough enough, I don't know what is. 

 

The terms of use needs some refinement. Some are very abstract and some abusive behaviour are exempted.