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Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
Well done. If we want more color, we can also add a few shields on the sides. Maybe on both ends. -
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Genava55 replied to Alexandermb's topic in Eyecandy, custom projects and misc.
Hémistatère au « bateau glaive », série GRH 3f – classe III, groupe de Normandie (Calètes ?), 3e siècle av. J.-C. -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
Nydam boat also had a carved wooden beam: https://www.bricksite.com/nydam/nydam-boats https://boudicca.de/the-nydam-boat/ -
This is simply to emphasize, based on historical references from the time period, what I explained earlier. The most appropriate designation for a civilization of the same rank as the Gauls or Britons would be the 'Germans'.
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Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
I'm no specialist, but it seems to me that it's extremely difficult to do both at the same time. Sail is not viewed as a supplemental propulsion, it is something used for long distance. My personal opinion is that Bronze Age and Iron Age warriors favored the mobility and portability of boats. It should not be forgotten that there are no indications that they had ports of any significant size. Maybe we can make an exception for the merchant ship, since it is a case really inappropriate for rowers. Maybe decorations or stempost size? Here a few ideas (the outrigger is maybe a bit excessive but why not): -
Caesar, book 1, ch. 1: Caesar, book 1, ch. 2: Caesar, book 6, ch. 24: Tacitus, Germania:
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Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
I don't think so... https://blog.turbosquid.com/turbosquid-3d-model-license/#Games-Usage -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
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Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
More probably a religious symbol. I don't know how plausible this could be they fixed shields on the side. It is certain the vikings and normans did it* but I don't know if the older shields from the Iron Age could be tied in the same manner. Maybe. Adding those would not be an issue. *https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/66056/did-viking-longboats-in-fact-have-shields-on-the-side-of-the-ships Yes it is plausible. At least I know the Celts did have such carved animal on the stems of some of their ships: -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
Yes I know, I debated with some people about this paper. The problem is that the use of sail should have triggered a major change and become widespread. As was the case during the Viking era, when all large ships eventually had a mast and a sail. It's very likely that even if sailing was known to Bronze Age populations, it didn't arouse the same interest. Perhaps they preferred to navigate rivers and coastlines. Not to mention the fact that having a mast and a sail required building ships that were a little wider. Which could make them less transportable on land. -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/baitaz https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/skipą -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
Probably longer, but as nimble, versions of this boat existed too. Maybe you can use two sizes of the same boat type. Yeah the merchant ships are probably too large. -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
First, of which civ are we talking about? The Cimbri ? The Suebi ? The Germans ? The oldest evidence we have for boats is obviously the Hjortspring boat (around 350 BC). But this is a more nimble boat, carrying approx. 20 men and without any sail. The other major find is from the Roman (imperial) period, circa 320 AD, the Nydam ship. This is larger, for 30 men, but without sail as well. The first evidence for a sort of longship with a sail could be Kvalsund II, but it is not certain, it is disputed. Anyway it is dated around 780 AD so clearly too late. The first undisputed ship with sail and looking like a Viking ship is the Oseberg ship, circa 830 AD. I looked what the literature says on the topic, it seems to be in agreement with the few I know: Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-journal-of-archaeology/article/earliest-wave-of-viking-activity-the-norwegian-evidence-revisited/C2A3AB5F0C962CFB700EEAF24970BE49 Not compatible with 0AD. The EB team requires the explicit permission for each asset and for each use. It is not open source. -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
This is what Europa Barbarorum did for the Suebi, they took inspiration from one of these bracteate to make a simpler version (top right): -
Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)
Genava55 replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est