Carltonus
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Hold on for a moment! The names of the two phases should be attested in ancient Chinese literature, whether one-character or two-character. We should not be using anything anachronistic, as in after the Han dynasty.
1 hour ago, OliverLew said:Suggestions: Village: Cūnzhuāng (村庄), Town: Xiāngzhèn (乡镇), City: Chéngshì (城市).
Note that Cūnzhuāng (Sun-srang) is not first attested in Old Chinese, but in the poetry of Wang Wei (Tang dynasty), too late to be used here. Is Xiāngzhèn (Qang-tin(s)) attested in the older literature?
17 minutes ago, AIEND said:From the Chinese administrative level, it should be "县Xian", "郡Jun", "都Du/京Jing"。
Xiàn (Gwens), Jùn (Gluns), and Dū (Ta)/Jīng (Krang) seems more fitting for this era.
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As the Han Chinese faction is being included with the next alpha, let's also propose the names of the town and city phases for the notification and phase-up tech. One that has been neglected for some of the other factions...
For the town phase, how about Chéngshì (城市, Dyeng-dyu)? For city, Dūshì (都市, Ta-dyu). Can't find a better one for the former though.
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16 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
I believe he is talking about the Thureophoros.
Thureos came later during the Hellenistic period, in my current knowledge; any accounts regarding them before/around the time of Alexander? Iphicrates was around 4th century BCE. Believe that "Light Peltast" would be a better name for the proposed champion skirmisher with the oval wicker shields.
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13 hours ago, AIEND said:
But, as in Ptolemy, this soldier would be divided into two types of soldiers, the spearmen and the javelinmen.
"Ptolemy"? The champions of the Ptolemaic faction are agema pikeman and spear cavalry. Athenians have three, with one requiring an inconsistent technological research item in the council hall (prythaneon).
Since the discussion here is about the Athenian champions, we should also take into consideration the marines and Scythian police. Who agrees renaming the "Iphicratean reforms" tech to one for unlocking the marine units (epibates and Cretan archers)? Land-only maps should also be taken into account, so (1) Cretan archers should also be hired in a structure other than the port and (2) marines should also be trained in the gymnasium. The upgrade should be explicit, recruiting from triremes (and port, for balancing).
The Iphicratean reforms (reiterating, if be retained) should unlock the present "epilektos" and a champion skirmisher; both light and fast. Any thoughts for armored marines and the logades (armored hoplite), slow and sturdy?
Finally, the Scythian police. Which the community prefers: Clubmen ("macmen")/axemen (sagaris), or archer? Any auras to represent their policing duty?
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Would wish to support scrapping the Iphicratean reforms tech outright in light of @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded's view of "the height" of Athenian civilization, but no consensus among the other community members seems to have been reached. In this case, what alternative technologies and champion units can replace the Iphicratean influences?
Coming back to this, the reforms (if retained) should actually unlock a champion light hoplite like the present epilektos, as well as a champion skirmisher akin to the theureophoros a few alphas ago. Marines should be a whole different story, separate tech to unlock (light/armored fork?).
Image references:
When secondary weapons are a thing, the champion light peltasts can double as a hoplite. Don't forget to replace the thureos with oval wicker shields.
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To be honest, the Old Chinese romanization should be the one put in the specific name parameter of the xmls, and pinyin (or other romanization) mixed with English/transifex in generic.
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We have not seen any news yet from the original modeller of the palace. The feature freeze is in a few weeks, just to let the both of you know. Anybody else who is willing to finish the palace just in time for the above?
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7 hours ago, Lopess said:
Background by @Radiotraining
Are the drawings of the red sun and the soldiers moving from side to side like the other 0 A.D. backgrounds? Those would be much appreciated.
A scenery of ancient Wa can be part of the middleground to complete it.
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8 minutes ago, Lopess said:
I'm not in this discussion but as a player I think this is a bad idea. Before thinking about it you should have good ideas for replacement heroes for the Brythonic, besides the second part of 0ad is not even scheduled for release.
In the long-run, of course! To summarize: Cassivellaunus would be the same class as Boudicca, on chariots; same goes for Mandubracius and who is going to be the third one, both that may be swordsmen on foot and horse, respectively. All that with little to no change in gameplay or statistics, if that is what you mean...
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If I can recall, isn't the cape model unified for all factions? Still rooting for an unarmored Boudicca.
Historical attire, gear, and temple structure aside, the next issue that may have to be taken seriously is the Brythonic heroes being out of the current 0 A.D. timeframe. Sure, the current three can be put as Atlas-only units or preparation for the so-called "Part 2/Empires Beseiged". Those (at least) three during Caesar's invasions, anybody?
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My initial suggestion was that the Battersea shield be a prop addition to the Brythonic temple or other structure. But since you insist in a combat use, let it be equipped to a proposed hero before or during the time of Julius Caesar's invasion, if any.
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Thought the Battersea shield was made around or before the time of Julius Caesar's invasion of Britain? Isn't that used as a votive offering?
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The Britons and Gauls wiki pages have been updated. Let me know if there are parts that need correction and/or expansion.
On 21/02/2021 at 12:19 AM, Genava55 said:The Gallic heroes are still a bit fantasy [and the] temple is still not really accurate.
The Britons still await a complete overhaul.
Kindly expound.
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12 hours ago, Lightning38 said:
Perhaps remove the wallpaper on what can be assumed is a fortress in the middle since it is against the faith to make images and the like.
The Judean fortress is currently a re-texture of the Persian (Achaemenid) counterpart... so Kathy had not done any major changes to the texture files.
12 hours ago, Lightning38 said:The corral allows the faction to make pigs.
"And the swine... you shall not eat", yes, the template file for the Judean corral obviously has not been modified yet. What permissible animal can be a substitute for the pig, or just remove it from the template altogether.
In short, the faction still has placeholders until balance of (game) mechanics and history/culture are in harmony.
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Just the messenger here, nothing else. The only feature I have contributed currently is the proposed specific name for the building.
15 hours ago, m7600 said:I encourage you to finish the model yourself. The file is there, and the model is almost finished, you only need to adjust some details and do the ambient occlusion baking.
Thanks for the offer, if only I had another computer with the space for such creative tools... expecting one sooner or later!
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On 2/7/2021 at 9:02 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Uh hi guise. How's this going?
Don't think this will be implemented in the next alpha, since @Stan` is busy with more finishing work.
On 30/5/2021 at 11:55 AM, m7600 said:...maybe in a couple of months I'll get back to it...
It's been "a couple of months" since they posted the above. Time to concede with my first sentence above?
Anyways, my impression on the current state of the palace model is... nearly done.
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Ongoing discussion regarding the Tarantine cavalry:
In short: the Ptolemaic mercenary cavalry javelineer could be corrected in the next alpha, most unlikely 25.
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On 18/2/2021 at 4:24 AM, wackyserious said:
[...T]he next alpha development[.]
No response yet, think it would be too late already. The Ptolemaic mercenary horse skirmishers will still be Thracian for the next alpha.
@wowgetoffyourcellphone, do you have samples of your take on the Tarantines in your mod?
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13 hours ago, Genava55 said:
yin and yang
Unfortunately, its Old Chinese trascription would be something close to "qrum lang", or in the IPA, /*q(r)um laŋ/.
Either "Yavana" or "Yona" is the best you can get close to given the features we already have.
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Great that the Macedonian and Ptolemaic archers have been remade. The Syrian archers still need their helmet and scale armor revamped. The Thessalian and Odrysian placeholders for the Seleucid hetairoi and Tarantine cavalry may need to be taken into account before the new alpha is out.
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For now, @wowgetoffyourcellphone's basic rank Ptolemaic and Seleucid mercenary cavalry spearmen in Delenda Est should be a viable placeholder instead of the basic rank Thessalian spearman actor. Has anyone made the changes?
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While waiting for a willing modeler in order to finish the veranda (is it necessary?), let us pick the specific name for the new wonder. Am thinking of "Basíleion tôn Aigôn". Are the cases used correct?
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10 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:
Iphicratean like units seems against the central idea of 0 A.D. The goal is to represent civilisations at their height.
That means Agis III should be replaced as well, as he lived after the Peloponnesian War. In that case, this would affect the Athenian marines as well, they require the Iphicratean reforms tech alongside the Cretan archers. Any thoughts?
Back to the topic of the champion hoplite, "City Guard" is not a good translation. "Picked Hoplite" is a better one. Make him put on a full panoply with the bronze cuirass. The forking and/or sub-faction suggestion can be left as a modification idea.
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Has anyone been doing kitbashing to create hoplites of differing eras? This could be helpful in making some more special units while the 3D artists are away. If forking phases by era is possible, the faction could have at least three kinds of champion hoplites. Like this:
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Traditional
- Classical → armored
- Peloponnesian War → armored
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- Iphicratean → the present epilektos (light and fast)
- Hellenistic → logades (armored hoplite in Macedonian fashion)
The citizen elite hoplite will then be wearing decorated linothorax, or 10% chance of cuirass.
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===[TASK]=== WONDER: Persians: Apadana of Darius
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Don't forget the full Gate of All Nations model, @wowgetoffyourcellphone. If that will not be the future Wonder, will it be another special building for the hiring of the champion hoplite and skirmisher, an Atlas-only special building with the same purpose, or something else? The first two would work for the so-called "Hall"...