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Here is an example of a Nabataean cuirassed god, Dushārā (Dusares):
And this one is from Bir Wereb, near Palmyra, a trinity of deities with Safaitic inscriptions, 1st half of the 1st century AD. "The lamellar cuirass was inspired by Oriental Hellenism."
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Nice...
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3 hours ago, Nescio said:
Actually I'm not sure the Arabs (including the Nabateans) wore body armour, helmets, or shields.
There was a very high degree of Hellenization among the urbanite Nabataeans. It's highly unlikely that they didn't use body armor, helmets or shields.
Quotea. Relief showing a Nabataean warrior god wearing a helmet, from the Temenos-gate, today on display in the Petra Archaeological Museum (Gesichter des Orients 2005: 144 Fig. 7.6).
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2 hours ago, Nescio said:
Furthermore, 0 A.D.'s Ptolemaic and Seleucid unit rosters are evidently based on the Battle of Raphia
No they are not. I figured out a big bone of contention in some/many of your historical critiques. You aim to represent factions as a specific snapshot in time, which makes referencing impossible and ignores that 0AD is set in the time period from 500 B.C. to 1 B.C. I already pointed out that the Ptolemies have Cleopatra VII in their unit roster. They also have Ptolemy I in their unit roster. The Seleucids have Seleucus I as well as Antiochus IV.
2 hours ago, Nescio said:E.g. it was the only time the Ptolemies used Egyptian troops
This is not correct either. The Machimoi are even mentioned in the Rosetta Stone (under Ptolemy V).
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3 hours ago, wackyserious said:
What about these for the Nabatean camel archers? I am planning to incorporate the armor textures from the Judea mod, as seen below worn by the elite rank units.
Very cool!
One thing I'd still like to see is those shoulder length pleated hairstyles that Arabs traditionally sport. I'm not sure how Hellenization affected hairstyles, but it would be cool to incorporate it for the lower rank units at least. Do we have long beards in-game?
Arabs on the left being smote by some unpleasant Neo-Assyrian King (Tiglath-Pileser III)
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7 hours ago, nani said:
It's already in the game just not taken into account for the snapping (for now
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Could you explain how?
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2 hours ago, wackyserious said:
Could the Beja shields from Kushite art asset be used for the Arab javelin infantry?
Not really. Those shields are made from animal hides that are not easily available "up north" (elephant, rhino, hippopotamus)
Plenty of inspiration for Arab shields among the art references (including the ones Genava linked). For example, shield bosses are rare among the Sudanese round shields (only wealthy elite), while they are more common among the Arab round shields, like this:
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Glad you like the game @PieLam!
This guide by -borg is definitely worth checking out:
These Youtube channels by Tom 0ad and ValihrAnt are also full of informative videos with tips and tricks to improve your gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgSzCK6CoFgSdbPiKGmJ4A/videos
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42 minutes ago, nani said:
When holding shift the placing angle should be preserved for the next building placing.
I always wanted this
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1 hour ago, asterix said:
I also agree
Ditto.
So does at least one of the fans on facebook who asked for this specifically.
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1 hour ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
so is a Scutum? but is small or is only an error by artist?
No it's not a Roman scutum and it's not an error by the artist. It's deliberately depicted as small, after the primary references.
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2 hours ago, Nescio said:
Romans associated cats, crocodiles, and scorpions, all exotic animals not living in Italy, with exotic Egypt; see e.g. iconography on Roman coins.
Praeneste (Palestrina) was already under Roman influence long before Rome made its first conquest (Veii). The Palaestrina Mosaic is magnificent, but it is a Roman mosaic depicting what some Romans imagined Egypt, an exotic place for most, would look like; it's rather similar to chinoiserie and other forms of orientalism in the Early Modern Period.
The mosaic is an artistic Roman fantasy, not a reliable source from Ptolemaic Egypt.
Huh? But I said that the mosaic is from Italy, and that I didn't know what to make of it until I saw the same shield type appearing in primary references from Ptolemaic Egypt itself. 4 of them from Egypt. Only one from Italy, depicting an Egyptian scene. Is there anything fantastical about the warriors depicted in the Palestrina mosaic? I've criticised the fantasy (fantastical monsters) in the mosaic myself, but not the warriors, which seem to be on point from what I can tell.
Also i said:
2 hours ago, Sundiata said:So do the depictions of Harpocrates and Antaios.
Especially the depiction of Harpocrates is relevant.
2 hours ago, Nescio said:While Ptolemaic Egypt was officially conquered only in 30 BC, it was de facto a Roman vassal state since c. 200 BC, with Roman advisors and legions being sent to Egypt to defend it against Seleucid expansionism.
Yes I know, but what's the relevance if we have Cleopatra VII as a recruitable hero? Our Ptolemies go until 30 BC, not 200 BC. Otherwise we should remove Cleopatra, and might as well remove Romanized units from the Seleucid roster as well.
2 hours ago, Nescio said:That's true. The question is when and where curved, rectangular tower shields originated. Perhaps an occassional variant of the thureos? I'm not claiming it definitely originated by the Romans, but I'm not convinced it's Ptolemaic invention either.
I don't think they qualify as tower shields, they're significantly smaller. Either way, rectangular tower shields were used by Persians, who occupied Egypt as well. We're also not arguing about who invented these types of shields. Just whether or not they were used by Ptolemies, whether they were under Roman protection or not. Also, if we have primary references of these shields from Ptolemaic Egypt, the question is if we actually have any such references from pre-Imperial Rome? Either way, I don't think it's relevant because I'm convinced these shields aren't in any way related to Roman shields to begin with...
These guys didn't take any issue with the references it seems:
See the 4th reference in the orignal post for this particular type:
(so we're actually talking about two distinct types of rectangular shields)
This one uses the mosaic as reference:
"Libyan" after a terracotta "from the Fayoum"
Looks good, believable and even probable to me. I like it
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46 minutes ago, Nescio said:
The important question is when those sculptures are dated. If it's closer to 300 BC, then you're on to something; if it's closer to 100 BC, then it's probably Roman influence. Furthermore, the archaeological record from Ptolemaic Egypt tends to be virtually indistinguishable from Roman Egypt, hence the term Greco-Roman Egypt (332 BC to AD 641).
Dating is indeed incredibly difficult, and Roman influence tangible in the 1st century BC, but not entirely relevant. Cleopatra VII is one of the Ptolemaic heroes, which suggests that our Ptolemies go all the way up to the Roman conquest.
The Palestrina mosaic with scorpions (a typical Egyptian symbol) also suggest indigenous origin. So do the depictions of Harpocrates and Antaios. Do these shields actually appear in a pre-Imperial Roman context to suggest Roman influence anyway? I honestly don't know, I personally only know them from the murmilo gladiators which post-date these pieces.
53 minutes ago, Nescio said:They appear to be naked, so maybe Celtic mercenaries?
Perhaps, but again, the Palestrina mosaic places them among units equipped in a typical Hellenistic fashion, not Celtic. Although I won't rule out Galatian influence, although they were specifically known for their Thyreos shields, weren't they...
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In order to distinguish Hellenistic units between the various Hellenistic factions, it's nice to include those little details that are unique to each faction.
I noticed that Ptolemies used pretty unique looking, curved rectangular shields alongside the more traditional types.
I first noticed them in the Palestrina Nile Mosaic from Italy, quite a while ago, but didn't know what to make of them. Now I've come across enough examples, including local Egyptian sources to feel relatively confident in my suggestion.
The examples from the Palestrina Nile Mosaic, with 2 soldiers, left and centre, carrying rectangular shields with depictions of scorpions.
Primary Ptolemaic Egyptian references in the form of terracotta warriors, including a cavalry man and an infantry man:
Actual rectangular terracotta model shields from Ptolemaic Period Egypt:
The first shield has a depiction of "Antaios, god of the Antaiopolite Nome, the Tenth Upper Egyptian Nome"
The second one bears an image of Harpokrates.
At a first glance, they actually look similar to the rectangular scutum of the murmillo gladiators of Imperial Rome, but the Ptolemaic examples seem to predate them.
@Nescio, any thoughts?
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Really cool...
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2 hours ago, wackyserious said:
(Added the black cape after I took this screenshot)
Maybe retake the screenshot with the black cape?
Looking really good by the way!
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1 hour ago, Genava55 said:
I remain unconvinced about women warriors based only on mythological figures and folkloric tales. This is like arguing for Greek women warriors because of Artemis, Atalanta and Athena.
There's nothing mythological about Scythian female warriors though... They're well attested in the archaeological record.
This one's fresh off the press:
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6,5 year old video posted by someone in the Facebook community. Still worth a share... Triple monitor setup...
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2 hours ago, coworotel said:
I miss having a chart for total population count (just like in AoE2).
I don't understand how this isn't a thing yet. Arguably the most important graph of all, and the most fun to analyze...
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Wow, this map deserves an award...
Spoiler
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2 hours ago, Stan` said:
Reminds me of mirror edge
It's Tesseract, some kind of open source game (-engine):
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Afehyia pa!
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0 A.D. Social Media Accounts (We need you!)
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0 A.D. Social Media Accounts (We need you!)
I’ve been given the lovely honor to curate 0AD’s social media accounts. In this capacity, I would love to invite every forum member here at the Wildfire Games Forums to take a look at our current accounts on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Mastodon.
As you may know, 0 A.D. is completely free, libre, open source and volunteer based. No wages are paid in the development of this game and there is no budget for marketing. Exposure for this project is made up almost entirely of word-of-mouth advertising.
We, the fans, are the developers of this game, both here on the forum, as well as on other platforms like trac, phabricator, GitHub and IRC. Together, we are all contributing towards the development of this game, however large or small those contributions may be.
Every like, comment and share contributes towards the future of this game that we have all grown to love. The more people know about this game, the higher the odds that we will attract more developers in various fields from programming to art and translations.
So, if you haven’t given these pages a visit yet, please take a look. And maybe give us a like
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Another reason I open this topic, is to receive community suggestions, feedback and comments about our accounts. And remember, there is also a lovely thread called “Your screenshots”. Don’t be shy to post some nice shots there. The ones that are exceptionally pleasing to the eye might receive a feature on our platforms.
Our current followers, January 11, 2020:
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Hero Portrait by JustinOperable, backdrop by LordGood. Ashoka the Great:
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