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[Gameplay discussion] Phasing out phases
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wraitii's topic in Gameplay Discussion
Yes I like this. More notifications. I like see in AOK or AOM that it tell you enemy has reached an age before you. Like you say, it was kick in the pants and added a little bit of momentary drama to the game. And choices like you say can be Military: Offensive or Defensive Economic: Gathering or Trading/Bartering Team-Based: Yourself or your allies In my example I use 4 phase because with more phase you get more big choices, plus can differ the phases better. The standard meta would be like this: Phase I - Agrarian phase, hunting/gathering, setting up your economy and putting things in place for the rest of the match. Only infantry available, no cavalry. The only defenses are palisades. Very vulnerable at this phase. Phase II - Diversification. Diversified economy and military. Military: Cavalry become available. Blacksmith unlocked. Shipyard unlocked, Wooden Defense Towers unlocked, etc. Economy: Market unlocked and good number of new Farmstead and Storehouse techs. Phase III - Settlement is now very organized and strong. Heavy hitters become available: Stone Walls (every respected city should have walls, nay?), Stone Towers upgrade, Fortress, Heroes, Champions. These are all expensive, so hopefully you have robust economy. Building more Civic Centers becomes available now. Your population is growing so you need colonies (because number of houses are limited by Civic Centers!). Wonder unlock as well. Build Wonder to unlock next phase. Phase IV - The very strong meta technologies are become available. This can be the phase to help break stalemate. This can be the phase where you throw everything you got at he enmy. All hero and siege techs unlocked. Massive battles for territory control. So, choices can adjust this meta game up or down based on your strategy or the assumed strategy of your opponents. Maybe even at the start of match you get a choice screen right at the beginning for Village Phase. So, Village Phase choice could be between Hunting and Ranching boost (unlocks cavalry a phase early if you capture and corral a horse?) or Gathering boost (maybe unlock all Phase II gather techs ahead of time?). And then when you go to Town Phase there can be a choice between Defense (unlock Stone Walls and Stone Towers upgrade a phase ahead of time) or Expansion (unlock Civic Centers ahead of time). When you go to City Phase you can have another meta choice (Ally boost and trading vs. selfishness, lol, dunno). When you go to Empire Phase you can get another meta choic. -
[Gameplay discussion] Phasing out phases
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wraitii's topic in Gameplay Discussion
Yeah, better names came be thought of. But the idea is still there. They can be base on the culture too. Add more culture to the game that way. -
[Gameplay discussion] Phasing out phases
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wraitii's topic in Gameplay Discussion
When you say it is literally the worst way to do it, you're talking about minor gradation of bad. The current way is just a hark back to Age of Empires. It is not hat bad. It fulfills a gameplay role of the bottleneck and demarcating progression when the bottleneck is overcome or the goal is reached. it is very meta in that way. I think what the phases are missing are visual progression and gameplay differentiation and perhaps some choices when you Phase Up, like in Age of Mythology. Just quick idea off the top of my brain: Town Phase, choose either: A. Agrarianism B. Mercantilism City Phase, choose either: A. City-State B. Hegemony Empire Phase, choose either: A. Imperialism B. Alliance Building Each with different effects. And by the gods, make the choice visually appealing too, like in Age of Mythology. Put some effort into thing like that. The presentation is important. About technologies in general. I don't think the pairs in my mod are ideal. But they are more interesting that the vanilla game's supremely generic and uninspiring and weird tech tree ("Fertilizer"? eh hem). My ideal tech tree would be the tech web as discussed many months ago. You have pairs in that you can choose 2 different directions off each tech but you can always go back and get those tech you missed. -
Better solution would be that the units in your selection behave as they should when tasked to something. There should have been a sword cursor show up, so that's what the solution should have been.
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[Gameplay discussion] Phasing out phases
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wraitii's topic in Gameplay Discussion
Phases themself as an idea are not boring. There have been no changes to how they work ever though. Instead of making phases and technology more interesting you gut the interesting tech pairs idea and made technology more boring and less interesting. Whatever you do, make it more interesting. But I don't think you have even consider ideas to make phases more interesting instead of just chopping them out. All new idea and "wouldn't it be cool if..." things like this are fine, if only they expand and complement the core vision. Can team even articulate the core vision of the game anymore? How does removing phases and replacing them with building-leveling affect the core vision? I think the core vision imagine a game that has players taking his settlement through phases of growth and that was the phase techs represent. I don't think building-leveling is bad, but it is not a subsitutute for one of the core tenet of the game vision, just an interesting add-on. Leveling up a barracks and making it prettier is not a good substitute for settlement phases. My advise (as if you want it) is to make the phase techs more interesting instead of giving in to the dark nature and chopping them. Or come up with a better way to integreate settlement growth into the game in a meaningful and impactful way as a substitute for phases. Because settlement growth, I believe, is part of the core vision of the game, in the same way that age advancement is part of the core vision of Age of Empires. -
Hi. Recent change to gentangents=true does not work right for me. The change make gentangents=true on by default when GLSL is turned on. AO maps are gone now. I think this what gentangents=true is supposed to enable? Maybe? But now they are disable. The trees do not sway and there are no normal maps. If I put gentangents=true back into local.cfg it still will not re-enable the AO maps like before the change. Without the AO maps the buildings look very flat. Can anyone confirm? EDIT: Alright, look like I have to manually toggle GLSL off and on in the in-game option menu. Then AO maps and normal maps and all that stuff show up. Maybe it has to reset the materialmgr.quality paramter or something. Still not good behavior. EDIT2: I recent install latest alpha and I have svn version too. Maybe installing latest alpha screw up a file in appdata or something?
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Delenda Est: An overhaul mod for 0 A.D.
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in Delenda Est
http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/17344 Slowly adding Delenda Est feature to main game I see. Delenda Est version: { "pair": "pair_defensive_01", "genericName": "Murder Holes", "description": "Murder Holes allow defenders to fire or drop projectiles upon enemy units huddled along the base of the defenders' wall.", "cost": {"food": 0, "wood": 200, "stone": 100, "metal": 0}, "requirements": {"tech": "phase_city"}, "requirementsTooltip": "Unlocked in City Phase.", "icon": "murder_holes.png", "researchTime": 40, "tooltip": "Towers and Fortresses no longer have a minimum attack range.", "modifications": [ {"value": "Attack/Ranged/MinRange", "replace": 0} ], "affects": ["Tower", "Fortress"], "soundComplete": "interface/alarm/alarm_upgradearmory.xml"} n Okay so I think Im make the Principate Romans have to build Temple of Vesta to unlock Town Phase instead of a Triumphal Arch. Right now they have to build 2 Triumphal arch, 1 for Town Phase and 1 for City Phase, but I think it would be more interesting to build two different things insteead. Any thoughts? I think Principates should stick to 1st and 2nd century. Dominates will be later. -
Isometric View Option
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in General Discussion
Hmmm, yes a 90 degree (spins fast then locks?) rotation would be good for this camera mode I think too. -
Isometric View Option
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in General Discussion
Could the iso view cfg reduce the fog by a percenateg (something we can determine with simple testing)? -
Those dead ones are nice! The acacia's problem is probably the leaf texture. Look smudgy, I like the twigs coming out tho.
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Look like he get graphical lag now. lol But I still enjoy his commentary. Good to get insight from casual player.
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New Release: 0 A.D. Alpha 19 Syllepsis
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to feneur's topic in Announcements / News
Wat? I mean the binaries folder which include the whole game. -
Is current status of game any good?
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in General Discussion
I agree allow players to adjust and then their opinion can still not matter. j/k Realy yes allow player to adjust and then they can give a more accurate opinion on the changes. But there are many SVN player who have been playing with changes for a long time now and we know what need change to make better but no one hear. I think consensus is capture need to be more focus to and less general. If capture focuse more on thing like Civic Centers and Mercenary Camps and civic building, then caputre can remain the default over attack. If leave all building capturable (I do not support this, but let's devils advocate), then attack should be default and capture made Alt attack. It is okay though to have some release as experimental release just to understand what players will like and not like more fully. The changes in this release are severe, but sometime it okay to swing far in one direction to understand the limits of the design. I think for A20 the design should swing back. Team will find a center for this I think. Looking back on each alpha release, each one have its own flavor. Some, like A19, feel like completely different game. -
New Release: 0 A.D. Alpha 19 Syllepsis
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to feneur's topic in Announcements / News
This is true. First download is big... BUT... after that each update is very small and fast. I think that would be what some people want. And if get SVN version the guy don't have to get the source, he can just get /binaries/. But who knows what his knowledge level is on this. -
New Release: 0 A.D. Alpha 19 Syllepsis
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to feneur's topic in Announcements / News
If you only want to patch you should get development version (SVN). -
Is current status of game any good?
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in General Discussion
See Delenda Est for much better capturing. -
Isometric View Option
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in General Discussion
Very old topic, but it does propose solution for the z-fighting. I will test solution when I get home. I propose this be added to game as "Retro Camera" mode. I think to fix distance fog problem is to take some kind of value from the distance fog and lower it, but don't turn it off. The fog should still be there on some level even though technically there is no longer a "distance" from the camera (everything is flat now), because u do not want player to switch to Retro Camera to remove the fog and 'cheat'. my local.cfg settings in this topic more accurately repesent the retro feel than the parameters discussed in other topics. It removes zooming and prevent rotating camera. Another parameter that should be add is to prevent building rotation. edit: Fixed top post to include new line of code to fix z-fighting. -
Isometric View Option
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to wowgetoffyourcellphone's topic in General Discussion
I do not see this. If anything, the shadows are sharper in iso view because shadow map not stretch as much. -
Guys, I experiment with the local.cfg settings and come up with some good settings to try out isometric view. ; Isometric View view.zoom.min = 2500.0 ; Zoom needs to be this far because of low fovview.zoom.max = 2500.0 ; Zoom needs to be this far because of low fovview.zoom.default = 2500.0 ; Zoom needs to be this far because of low fovview.rotate.y.speed = 0.0 ; This prevents camera rotationview.rotate.x.speed = 0.0 ; This prevents camera tiltingview.fov = 2.0 ; This is what gives the nearly isometric viewview.near = 32.0 ; Near plane distance increased to prevent z-fighting Result: Compare with 45 fov: The isometric view is very easy to see when moving camera, but harder to tell difference in static screenshot. Guys it is like night and day. These setting disable rotating and zooming for real classic feel. I personally think the true 3D 45 degree FOV is better (everything to me in iso games look like they are sliding down the screen, and I think game world in 45 fov look more expansive), but maybe have this for game option in Alpga 20? Should be simple to add and could be fun to showcase when release. Some pros: Some people like this view and might find it easier. I get +15fps in this view. Could help player with low rig spec. Would be even better perf gain if game had alternative asset optimized for this view (back faces remove etc). A couple of problem: Action sounds cannot be heard. Camera zoom is too far away. Distance fog very heavy (again because zoom is very far). Clouds need to be disable in this view too. Anyway can be fun to add for Alpha 20 and maybe capture some of aok audience attention.
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Some questions about A19 Sy.
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to EmperHidan II's topic in General Discussion
I anticipate players may like capture feature at first because it is different, but will soon become annoy with it. -
Some questions about A19 Sy.
wowgetoffyourcellphone replied to EmperHidan II's topic in General Discussion
For my mod I might redo unit actor for visual improvement (linothorax -> bronze cuirass, etc.).This would take a lot of modding for the technologies too (actor swap is a feature of technology json). Rank promotions changes would show with head gear and shield textures while body textures show tech armor upgrade. I suspect if I do this I will have to abandon the rank upgrade visual differences. If only techs could swap prop actor too. -
Lions/Lioness need a lot of help too.