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    • Painting is something that is necessary in 0ad
    • As you may know, Vibe Coding and other tools have accelerated and created new projects.   I can't say that it's just AI without human ideas. Many Total War-style games are being released, but also AoE-style games. Everything's coming out, but I like that there are people bringing interesting concepts.    
    • Not yet. But it has a Discord server. It's in the video description. There are a lot of clones of classic games coming out lately.  
    • Do you know if there is access to the source code, @Nicolaus_von_Kues?
    • There's the discussion regarding þurpą reconstruction, and there's the later discussion regarding the attested cognates. Regarding the latter, you have been trying to argue that one can see the earliest attested cognates refer to a farmstead, or according to you, a single dwelling, first with OHG, but then I've shown that OE is attested earlier. Concerning that latest discussion, "original meaning" can only refer to the time of the EE glossary. Then, although "the study is mainly concerned with the period from around 850 to 1250", it's not correct to say that "they are not claiming that the word thorp had always denoted such a cluster, nor that several buildings were necessarily part of its original meaning", since I've shown they do claim this when they stated that compitum in the EE must have also been interpreted as a "small rural settlement" (conclusion I arrived at independently, in part considering they would emerge right there) by "unsophisticated people". But you know this, since later you dismiss this evidence by saying that It's not reasonable to suppose that more exploration would have led to the conclusion that "thorp" was actually a single dwelling at the time of the EE glossary, which was your claim. That would be basically the opposite of what they are already claiming, which aligns with the current EE translation (published a few years later), as I've already explained. But maybe focusing on þurpą in what follows will clarify this even further.   Concerning þurpą reconstruction (the other interpretation of "original meaning"), my claim is not exactly that "Proto-Germanic þurpą already referred to a village or hamlet", that's semantically charged, but that þurpą probably didn't restrict itself to a single farmstead. Then I guess you could call this collection of farmsteads a settlement, a hamlet, or small village, but none of that is my original claim (just approximate terms to emphasise a contraposition with your single dwelling claim). My claim is based on that (new relevant information is added in the last point): -The Germanic cognates you tried to use to further your claim actually support mine, as demonstrated from your sources. The rare unique instance in Gothic cannot be reliably used, and could have treated a collection of farmsteads as "farmland", like Ekwall seems to do. -The Celtic cognates also refer to a settlement larger than a single farmstead, further reinforcing the view that, if that was the actual meaning in Gothic, it was indeed the exception. This is way more parsimonious than thinking that the "earliest meaning was closer to the one preserved in Gothic" and everything else changed. -The Proto-Germanic reconstruction is often associated with "crowd" and "settlement". While you pointed out that the latter is ambiguous, Kroonen's student states, when questioning if Latin trabs is also a cognate, that "while all the other comparanda refer to dwellings, settlements, and communities, Lat. trabs sometimes refers to part of a building". Through his thesis he consistently uses the word "settlement" to describe multiple dwellings, and small "communities" is exactly what I've been talking about (conclusion I arrived at independently, in part considering the association with "crowd"). Notice how, even when listing in the previous page that in Gothic it meant "farmland", absolutely nothing is said about that for Proto-Germanic.   Regarding the quotes from the book towards the end, I know them, they either align with my claim or don't go against it, and certainly don't support a single dwelling interpretation. Many specific characteristics regarding thorps is why I said to bear in mind they "don't necessarily apply to þurpą, being a cognate many centuries after the fact". The relevant claims in question are the ones I just restated in this post.
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