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1 hour ago, wackyserious said:

@Lion.Kanzen can we use this for the Zapotecs? I'm currently creating textures for @Trinketos 's Aztec faction and thought if this textures also fit the timeframe of the Zapotecs.

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no match with time frame. Aztecs appears 1300 AD.

Zapotec appears early but they survived Spanish conquest.

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http://historum.com/war-military-history/47720-historical-armies-illustrated-aztec-empire-contemporaries.html

 

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A Zapotec tradition mentions Petela as his Patriarch, to whom they attribute having been a survivor of one of the deluges and who led and guided his people to the Central Valleys of Oaxaca, where they founded Teotitlan del Valle (Xaquija, Celestial Constellation). It is said that they came from the east of a mythical city called Tamoanchan (it descends to their home), according to an Ocelotepe Report prepared by Nicolás Espíndola on May 15, 1580.

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About Mesoamerican warfare

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/14/mesoamerican-warfare-1200-b-c-e-1521-c-e/

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The Olmecs (1200-400 B. C. E.) first used warfare to expand trade and access to resources. Fighters from the Olmec city of San Lorenzo utilized obsidian-edged weapons, handto- hand elite combat, and small, elite forces numbering in the tens to hundreds to control local trade routes from the Veracruz region. La Venta assumed power from 900 to 400 B. C. E. and introduced the sling, clay projectiles, and yuccacotton armor to gain superiority. Tortillas were also used to feed the hundreds of troops deployed in enemy territory. By 400, trophy heads, stone knives, obsidian-tip spears, spear throwers, wood shields, upper-torso armor, and hide helmets were common for elites and, to a lesser extent, for supporting commoner forces.

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Fortifications also became common, especially in the lowland Mayan area where captive taking and elite warfare dominated. In the Zapotec region, Monte Alban developed as a heavily fortified city that controlled a regional kingdom through its defensive location and warfare based on thrusting spears and hand-to-hand combat. Skull racks indicate probable religious-based warfare centered on captives and sacrifice. By 100 C. E., Monte Alban was challenged by the huge city-state of Teotihuacan in the Mexico City area. From 100 to 700 Teotihuacan, which numbered perhaps 100,000 people, spread its influence over trading partners partly by emphasizing spear throwers, shields, and stone axes and knives. The Teotihuacanos utilized military orders of eagles, jaguars, and so on, special housing, regular production of weapons, and nodal control of trade centers over 1,500 miles distant. Astronomy and religion seem to have played a large role in how and why war was carried out at the end of Teotihuacan hegemony.

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In 378, the Teotihuacanos brought projectile warfare into the Mayan region and tipped the balance of power in favor of large Mayan cities like Tikal, with rulers like Smoking- Frog. These lowland Maya developed religious- and astronomy- based warfare among elites that became known as “star wars.” The kin-city competitions for resources, natural and supernatural, dominated classic Mayan warfare from 378 to 900, when warfare may have helped to collapse classical Maya civilization.

Star Wars :lmao:

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/14/mesoamerican-warfare-1200-b-c-e-1521-c-e/

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Aztec and Zapotecs from left to right.

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The tlaximaltepoztli (tlāximaltepōztli; in Nahuatl, tlaximal=carpentry and Tepoztli=metal axe) or Tepoztli was a common weapon used by civilizations from Mesoamerica which was formed by a wooden haft in which the poll of the bronze head was inlaid in a hole in the haft. It was used for war or as a tool. Its use is documented by the Codex Mendoza and the Codex Fejérváry-Mayer. Tax collectors from the Aztec Empire demanded this kind of axe as tribute from the subjugated kingdoms. In Aztec Mythology the Tepoztli was used by the god Tepoztécatl, god of fermentation and fertility.[1] In Codex Borgia he is represented with a bronze axe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaximaltepoztli

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Hacha=axe

Maza=Mace or club

Macana=club

Cuchillo= knife 

Venablo= Javelin 

Lanza=Spear

Arco=bow

Flecha=arrow

Honda=sling

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One weapon, many names
A weapon similar to the hul'che shows up in several cultures. The Aztecs used an almost identical weapon, the atlatl, a device gaining in popularity among modern sport hunters. The Nahuatl term atlatl is now commonly used for the wooden device, regardless of origin.

atlatl throwing

While the earliest archaeological evidence is around 25,000 years old, it is believed that the atlatl has been in use for over 40,000 years. About the time when paleoindians crossed into Beringia. The simplicity and effectiveness of this weapon had allowed these early humans to hunt Ice Age megafauna such as the Mammoth and other large game.

Eventually the development of the bow supplanted the atlatl as the weapon of choice in most of Mesoamerica. The bow was more compact and easier to carry, plus it was a much quieter weapon that allowed hunting prey easier.

 

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Just now, Trinketos said:

That movie have a lot of mistakes

Yes but the weapons are there, those weapons are correct.

I need help with Zapotec in Classic period.

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3 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Yes but the weapons are there, those weapons are correct.

I need help with Zapotec in Classic period.

vere que puedo hacer, pero estoy en Mexico.
Y no tengo mi pc, con la que hago los mods.

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Gospel of Mark 14:12-26 In Zapotec or Dizdea.

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As in other languages of the Otomanguean trunk, the normal order of words in Zapotec languages is: Verb-Subject-Object. Numerals precede the nouns they modify, but other modifiers and possessors follow. There is a special set of dependent pronouns that at first glance seem to be suffixes in verbs (indicating the subject) or in nouns (indicating a possessor), similar to the suffixes of person and number in Spanish. However, grammatically they are considered as subject or possessor, because they are not used when a separate noun is found after the verb that functions as subject or possessor.

 

Jesus film in Zapotec Loxicha (different from first)

 

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Oto-Manguean languages (also Otomanguean) are a large family comprising several subfamilies of indigenous languages of the Americas. All of the Oto-Manguean languages that are now spoken are indigenous to Mexico, but the Manguean branch of the family, which is now extinct, was spoken as far south as Nicaragua and Costa Rica. Oto-Manguean is widely viewed as a proven language family. However, this status has been recently challenged (Brown 2015).

The highest number of speakers of Oto-Manguean languages today are found in the state of Oaxaca where the two largest branches, the Zapotecan and Mixtecan languages, are spoken by almost 1.5 million people combined. In central Mexico, particularly in the states of Mexico, Hidalgo and Querétaro, the languages of the Oto-Pamean branch are spoken: the Otomi and the closely related Mazahua have over 500,000 speakers combined. Some Oto-Manguean languages are moribund or highly endangered; for example, Ixcatec and Matlatzinca each has fewer than 250 speakers, most of whom are elderly. Other languages particularly of the Manguean branch which was spoken outside of Mexico have become extinct; these include the Chiapanec language, which has only recently been declared extinct. Others such as Subtiaba, which was most closely related to Me'phaa (Tlapanec), have been extinct longer and are only known from early 20th century descriptions.

The Oto-Manguean language family is the most diverse and most geographically widespread language family represented in Mesoamerica. The internal diversity is comparable with that of Indo-European, and the Proto-Oto-Manguean language is estimated to have been spoken some time before 2000 BCE.[2] This means that at least for the past 4000 years Oto-Manguean languages have coexisted with the other languages of Mesoamerica and have developed many traits in common with these, to such an extent that they are seen as part of a sprachbund called the Mesoamerican Linguistic Area. However Oto-Manguean also stands out from the other language families of Mesoamerica in several features. It is the only language family in North America, Mesoamerica and Central America whose members are all tonal languages. It also stands out by having a much more analytic structure than other Mesoamerican languages. Another typical trait of Oto-Manguean is that its members almost all show VSO (verb–subject–object) in basic order of clausal constituents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oto-Manguean_languages

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The most widely spoken native language in today's Oaxaca is Zapotec, with approximately 423,000 speakers. The Zapotec language belongs to the greater Oto-Manguean language group. Of the 173 living Oto-Manguean tongues, 64 are Zapotecan. These are divided into three geographic subgroups within the state of Oaxaca: Northern, Southern and Isthmus Zapotec

 

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8 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Jesus film in Zapotec Loxicha (different from first)

Jesus speaking Zapotec language :lmao:(Don't know why I think it's so funny. It's not like English makes any more sense or anything...)

It reminds me lot of that time those 2 American Mormon missionaries showed up at my door here in Ghana. They had pamphlets depicting Jesus Christ in the Americas. They claimed that after his resurrection, Jesus visited the Americas. Some of the Native Americans were supposedly beautiful white people, but because of their wickedness, God cursed them with a dark skin instead... They also claim that the Garden of Eden was somewhere in North America... 

I said I wasn't interested in pamphlets, only original material. So they actually gave me the Book of Mormon. I tried reading it, but it's honestly just an unreadable piece of fraudulent garbage. 

At least they were friendly fellows.

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I mean, what the fudge...?!

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Probably they mixing that with Quetzalcoalt legend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gods

 

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Based on 16th-century accounts of the Spanish conquistadors being "greeted as gods" by the peoples of the New World, certain modern authors have expanded the concept beyond what is historically verifiable, spreading it to the genre of pseudoarchaeological literature and fringe theorists, such as writers on ancient astronauts or Atlantis, in some instances (such as Christian Identity) even acquiring quasi-religious or racialist (white supremacist) connotations.

Some authors have claimed that white missionaries or "gods" visited America before Christopher Columbus. Authors usually quote from mythology and legends which discuss ancient gods such as Quetzalcoatl to conclude that the legends were actually based on Caucasians visiting those areas, and that the Caucasians were really the gods.

Some Mormons believe that Quetzalcoatl, a figure described as white and bearded, who came from the sky and promised to return, was likely Jesus Christ. According to the scriptural account recorded in the Book of Mormon, Jesus Christ visited and taught natives of the Americas following his resurrection, and regarded them as the "other sheep" whom he had referenced during his mortal ministry. The Book of Mormon also claims that Jesus Christ appeared to others, following his resurrection, even to the inhabitants on the "isles of the sea."[18] With regard to the Mexican legend, LDS Church President John Taylor wrote:

The story of the life of the Mexican divinity, Quetzalcoatl, closely resembles that of the Savior; so closely, indeed, that we can come to no other conclusion than that Quetzalcoatl and Christ are the same being.[19]

This idea was adapted by Mormon science fiction author Orson Scott Card in his story America.

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By the way im not agree about mormon religion... Are some kind opposite Christianity.

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This is my country, in my city... I don't see this as show of mercy or humble.

 

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1 hour ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

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This is my country, in my city... I don't see this as show of mercy or humble.

 

Interesting... I just realized that that fancy church in downtown Accra is actually a Mormon Temple... Similar architecture...

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Always creeped me out... 

 

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9 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

 

Interesting... I just realized that that fancy church in downtown Accra is actually a Mormon Temple... Similar architecture...

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Always creeped me out... 

 

Interesting fact.

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On 7/4/2017 at 13:55, Lion.Kanzen said:

Aquí nos enfocaremos en nuestra primera facción mesoamericana.

 

Encontré más información relacionada con aspectos que Tomcelmare solicita, cómo está el clima de estos muchachos, lo que hicieron, etc., algo de diseño conceptual, arte de jugabilidad. Etc.

Anything you need to know about the indigenous cultures in M exico can consult me, I have a wide knowledge of them, I have at this moment my residence in Mexico for work issues, and the National Museum of Natural Sciences and Anthropology of the city of Mexico I stayed about 40 minutes from my house, I also speak fluent Spanish, and I know people who still speak indigenous languages such as Zapotec, Maya, and others.

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El 12/12/2018 a las 16:39, Lion.Kanzen dijo:

Probablemente lo estén mezclando con la leyenda de Quetzalcóatl.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gods

totalmente falso, jejeje

Por favor no uses wikipedia, hay muchas fechas incorrectas y basura.

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solo lo suficiente para ver de dónde vienen los mormones, John Smth, ladrón, violador, asesino, ladrón de ganado, citado en una aldea donde el ejército estadounidense lo rodea, y no pueden matarlo porque amenaza con matar a niños y mujeres, casi Pasó un mes de citio hasta que, por falta de comida y por la presión ejercida por el ejército, vio venir su muerte, por lo que alguien le dijo que estaba iluminado por la gracia de Dios y funda la religión mormona, el ejército. dijeron que lo mataran porque eso los habría hecho quedar muy mal, matar a un religioso en esos tiempos era impensable, así que dime si los mormones son confiables, cuando aún persisten las prácticas más antiguas, como casarse con chicas de 13 años, mujeres embarazadas de edad Y no solo eso, obligarlos a vivir en la poligamia, para no hablar mal de ellos, sino que no compro su historia china.deberían tener más cuidado de investigar el origen de cada pieza de información, la historia está plagada de rore, de errores institucionales, creados por aquellos que ganan batallas y guerras, donde él cuenta la historia a su manera y conveniencia, por lo que este Se impone como la verdad cuando no lo es.


https://culturacolectiva.com/historia/leyenda-de-quetzalcoatl

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esta roda vikinga se parece más a quetzalcóatl
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9 hours ago, Sundiata said:

@Lion.Kanzen where art thou? I miss your spanglish...

The man seems to be MIA since January... 

He is taiking time of 0 AD, in the 0 AD spanish page sey that

Que difícil es escribir algunas palablas en inglés :(

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18 minutes ago, Trinketos said:

Tiene un tiempo de espera de 0 AD, en la página de 0 AD Spanish sey

Que difícil es escribir algunas palablas en inglés :(

No te entiendo nada

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