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Can you guys make a Pull Request for this on gitea?

Thanks for all your work @Perzival12! Would have been a shame to bury this mod, so you truly did magic here!

https://github.com/wltonlopes/Endovelico/blob/main/art%2Factors%2Ffauna%2Fcamel_bactrianus_fauna.xml Added by @Alisson Fabrini

This has got to be done. I might work with @Stan` and try to do it. Unless someone like @nifa would be willing to take a crack at it.

Then I guess I take it?

Its from the battle of arausio, a huge win for the germans.

yeah but that does not cut the mustard in terms of fulfilling a role in a counter system. Overall, I think we are at a decent position for the next release, but I think we really need to scale down ships going forward. If/when someone with the talent to design such a boarding ship actor steps up to the challenge, we can resume this debate.

The German wonder is a destroyed Roman Army Camp by design. There was some thought to create a 'Grove of Fetters' with a sacred palisade, etc., which would be cool. An idea I had for later Germans would be basically a diorama of the Battle of Teutoburg Forest; its aftermath.

I mean, my original design took this into account. Civs without Siege Ships have 'Naval Oxybeles' which grants some crush damage to Arrow Ships. At least they did unless that's been changed. I know you changed a lot from my initial patches.

That's only for maps that I designed myself with the scenery editor using the random generation feature. If I just design a map and place all objects manually everything works perfect and multiplayer games can - as far as I know - be loaded. I don't know if anyone else has this problem, though. The maps that come with the game work, too.

yeah, but you can't have RPS with two members. Trying to make siege ships participate in that system doesn't make sense, since they are available in p3 and would fulfill two roles too effectively if they countered some other ship in addition to working as siege.

They wouldn't be 'similar,' they'd fulfill the same 'role' which is "melee ship." A boarding ship would be a fourth option (monkey wrench) outside the RPS. But, this is your show. My show is elsewhere!...

I'm trying to see what techniques I can use to squeeze out the maximum amount of historicity and authenticity. A lot of the minor details will be wrong, but to get a broad stroke of authenticity is what I'm aiming for. Later, perhaps all of the minor details can be ironed out with subsequent iterations as the technology develops. For instance, it would take a few more iterations to get those pleasure cruise motor boats out of the harbor and to stop all of the people on the bottom right from wearing jeans and slacks. lol Not impossible to do already currently, but I decided to move on.

With the price change, that is mostly true now. Also, they were not exactly the same to begin with anyway. But you are missing the point. What I outlined above would allow for 3 main warship types to coexist for all civs, rather than forcing the fire ship and ram ship to be so similar.

Äääähhhhhh Is that how the German wonder is supposed to look like when it's not destroyed???

I think there could be some kind of camel unit as a mercenary unit, maybe for a Taxilia faction. It'd be a Bactrian camel though, and we have yet to include a Bactrian camel model into the game (much to my chagrin. Argh!).

My brother in Christ... the fire ships were supposed to be the "ram ships" for those without ramming ships, but you invented something else.

Sure, but that's not what you said. lol But anyway, I agree there should be the ability to sort both ways at the same time.

balance-wise, it could be good to let boarding ships fulfill a role almost identical to ram ships, but for civs that don't have ram ships (that way we don't have to be historically inaccuracy of giving ram ships to the gauls for example). Then we could add fire ships to civs that lack those to properly build out the balance system for water.

It was that the team bonus is utter shite and researching the specific tec is a 1k waste of res. (Did you search for my post with the forum search? That's useless.)

I remember you ranting on that before, but I cannot find your post (I guess it was just a screenshot, no word 'Silk Road'). Was it, that the Team Bonus should have another name than the Civilization Bonus?

This is easy. Add capture points to ships, with ships also having a (empty) capture damage. Units can then have an aura that works on garrisoned ships, giving them capture attack.

Oh, it uses system nvtt, interesting. ActorEditor is an app and should be under some bin/ directory, probably /usr/games for Mint as that is where pyrogenesis lives, for example as pyrogenesis-actor-editor or maybe 0ad-ActorEditor or whatever the convention in Mint is, the current location means user won't be able to run it via PATH. Anyway the RUNPATH for pyrogenesis says it should see libs in /usr/lib/games/0ad and prefer them over those found in default paths.