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I got confused by the template name "cataphract mixin", thinking it was applying only to cataphract. No I don't think they need additional nerf, the speed debuff might already remove too much of there utility and still have them as strong as frontliner. I guess we'll see, if the counter damage increase for spears have been dismissed already. Yes but actually 'normal' champ cav only get HP debuff, so net nerf, against all including against inf there (If I'm not mistaken again).

me too, but I don't have an idea to replace it. So since we are talking about nerfs, better to just nerf it for now. (+100 hp is crazy)

bactrian cav also get the 'cataphract mixin'. So they are currently receiving the same nerf. Do you think they should be nerfed extra? If so, I'd probably disqualify them from getting the nisean war horse tech, making that tech unique to sele. yeah that's the idea. It creates a more noticeable difference between cataphract units and regular champ cav.

I don't like this tech. It lacks originality and is OP. I would prefer it to be replaced with something entirely different. I don't get this either. Basically the nerf is to make them slower and lower their special health tech? That's fine, i guess, relative to other cav. But all melee champ cav remains OP vs inf.

Bactrians Chavs are have the same stats as Cataphract in a27, they are used more often for champ cav because of the Persian pop bonus. So they'll be nerfed more then Catapharct, intentionally? Your armor and HP changes barely change cav HP equivalent, but lowered it's speed, so they'll be worse at chasing other cavs but as good against infantry. A bit less map control too.

https://gitea.wildfiregames.com/0ad/0ad/pulls/8380

Players want their towers to actually defend their base, and not act like a liability that will be exploited by the enemy.

Grab a nightly build and start playing . But beware: the multiplayer lobby might be empty.

The game is very inconsistent at the moment. People are worried about turtilling. Something that's rarely seen. Not to mention capturing and then erasing buildings.

SVN/Gitea isn't a release version.

Capture is pure @#$%, even with men inside you can't defend a barack or a cc. Up the garnison defense by troop.. please . We need also have a reflection about what players want about towers sytems. about nerf champ cav melee, not a big nerf is needed, we don't need fix the issue right now, just mitigate the issue. A little nerf damage and delete HP tech 10% and hp tech for selucid and perses is enough for have an opinion. About giving little bonus to each civ, for me it's bad, it too much age of empire 2 like. but as you want. I prefer we have a commun tree tech and some difference (unit, building or bonus).

Are you sure? II believe it may be available in the SVN version ahead of time.

Pretty sure this is a bot.

@Seleucids basically with each phase, Carthage gets the corresponding stone tech automatically. It is a civ bonus.

I hope, that by "instant free stone mine", you mean the P1 tech is free and instantly researched, not Carthaginians getting a diamond pickaxe with infinite mining rate. If you want the tech to be free and researched immediately, you might as well implement it as a civ bonus. In general I am for giving Carth a stone mining bonus, because that allows them to go for embassies and barracks earlier but without making them too OP

Its a capture attack of 1, compared to 2.5 for infantry, 1.75 for cav, 5 for champ infantry, 3.5 for champ cav. Its not supposed to stop a full army, but it will do better against a small group of cavalry sent out just to cheese a CC cap.

I think bringing their damage down a little will do the trick for fanas, probably 10% less or so. For melee champcav, I proposed a relatively simple nerf over on the "champion cavalry improvements" discussion. I could make a quick PR too. It doesn't have to be perfect, we just need something.

I think over time we’ve gotten used to a more easily capturable CC, and this has actually had a positive impact on the gameplay. Rams haven’t been completely discarded, tho. Maybe it could be made a bit harder than it is now, but I wouldn’t go back to the previous state. A middle ground could work better. I remember testing this adjustment some time ago, but I’d need to try it again to know if it was actually good. Personally, I prefer that it remains necessary to use soldiers to strengthen garrisons rather than improving civilians’ capture ability. As for the changes to the Carthaginians, it’s hard for me to give an opinion since I don’t usually play that civ and I haven’t tested this community-mod enough to form a clear view. What I would like to see, however, is a nerf to the fanatics so they stop being such a multipurpose unit and instead become more focused as an anti-cavalry unit. They should remain powerful but be more limited to fighting against cavalry. Something should also be done about champion cavalry, although to be honest I’m not really sure what exactly. =) Regarding the debate on the effectiveness of polls, I appreciate the spirit of your proposal, @Atrik. However, it’s difficult to get many players to participate in them, and the most active and experienced players usually don’t. I agree with @real_tabasco_sauce that, at the moment, using the community-mod to introduce changes and receive feedback is the most effective way to get results. Maybe we should start hosting community-mod games on a regular basis.

The link for capture system is wrong

There is an existing armor bonus of 3 hack,pierce,crush

Could a piercing armor bonus be given to defenders on the wall?

Do it. As you said, we need test sometimes.

There's an idea for a "CC Fortress"(late game) version, which would be an upgrade. There's something like that in AoM.