Tiles in a Greek city center

[Akira Kurosawa]

Could you please tell me if a few tiles are missing - is it a bug and the textures didn't load or is it just the way it was meant to be? Because in comparison with other urban centers, Greek looks extra weird.

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[Stan`]

It's meant to be.

[Silier]

I believe terrain is supposed to have city texture under civ centre or some stone texture

[Akira Kurosawa]

22 hours ago, Silier said:

city texture under civ centre or some stone texture

Well, the current grass texture was created by random map generator. Apparently, stone cladding was not included in the template... It looks like someone stole the tiles. Are you planning to fix it? Because it is more like ancient ruins than a busy city. Athenian polis in decline...

Edited November 24, 2022 by Arcantos

[Akira Kurosawa]

21 hours ago, Stan` said:

It's meant to be.

It doesn't seem to be a very good solution. Did one of the developers encrypt their name in the holes?

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Edited November 24, 2022 by Arcantos

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

49 minutes ago, Arcantos said:

It doesn't seem to be a very good solution. Did one of the developers encrypt their name in the holes?

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Good guess! It's actually a QR code that will take you to the modeler's OF.

[Akira Kurosawa]

5 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Good guess! It's actually a QR code that will take you to the modeler's OF.

No matter how many times I come to look at changes in old models of buildings, I always remember Asterix and Obelix. Do you really enjoy playing in this architectural mess yourself?

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Edited November 24, 2022 by Arcantos

[Akira Kurosawa]

It would be great if the repair of city centers would be added as a ticket, at least for the far far future. It would be a pity if you decide to leave the Hellenistic states in such a deplorable state.

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[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Well, the geometric tiles could be removed and a nice tile-texture decal placed underneath instead. I'm not opposed to that.

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[Akira Kurosawa]

2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

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Looks great! Can I also ask you to move the long building (and probably a gazebo with a well, too) little to the left to maintain symmetry, and then place these four vases inside? Please?

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It seems to me that they (the stoa and the gazebo with a well) were originally supposed to be symmetrical in relation to the flower beds, but for some reason they were mistakenly shifted to the right border... I think Euclid would not approve of such a geometry.

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Edited November 25, 2022 by Arcantos

[Frederick_1]

On 24/11/2022 at 1:23 PM, Arcantos said:

Well, the current grass texture was created by random map generator. Apparently, stone cladding was not included in the template... It looks like someone stole the tiles.

Well, the Athenians, not only forerunner in democaca already had their guerillia gardening movement removing the tiles and planting them... well,serious...

This are effects when not flat terrain and buildings are merged together. Where the terrain is higher than the building the terrain structure is visible. In this case the lower tiles were replaced by the grass texture. In other environment it is not that visible.

There are extremly ugly outcomes when you place a roman civic center on a steep hill.  On some other civilisations the builings have a "foundation" like harbours making the outcome not that bad, until the terrain is not "steeper" than the foundation.

The templates should be overworked  how to alter the terrain in vertical direction with basement and a bank, so that there are no remains of the terrain where a building is placed.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Frederick_1

[Akira Kurosawa]

11 hours ago, Frederick_1 said:

The templates should be overworked  how to alter the terrain in vertical direction with basement and a bank, so that there are no remains of the terrain where a building is placed.

I very much hope that this will not be forgotten for another 10 years.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Arcantos

[Silier]

There is no such feature for flattering terrain in the engine.

Anything you see is the art model itself.

[Frederick_1]

Sure changing the art model. adding a foundation like harbors have.  Some civilizations buildings have this, they look fine on a ridge. Romans for example do not.

The problem of terrain over a building, I guess, would need some changes in the engine from a surface to a volume modeller.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

[hyperion]

@wowgetoffyourcellphone

me thinks perfectly square tiles are a better fit for Greek architecture, the issue with the original model was missing tiles (to make it more visually interesting, I have my gripes with that idea) and somewhat skewed symmetry.

Anyway, me thinks they would have never used randomly sized slabs here.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

9 hours ago, hyperion said:

@wowgetoffyourcellphone

me thinks perfectly square tiles are a better fit for Greek architecture, the issue with the original model was missing tiles (to make it more visually interesting, I have my gripes with that idea) and somewhat skewed symmetry.

Anyway, me thinks they would have never used randomly sized slabs here.

Let's get real here. In reality the center of classical Athens, Thebes, Sparta et al. wasn't paved at all--it was dirt. 

Edited December 3, 2022 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[hyperion]

22 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Let's get real here. In reality the center of classical Athens, Thebes, Sparta et al. wasn't paved at all--it was dirt. 

Guess dirt would be fine as well, just that this texture feels somehow wrong to me.

[Akira Kurosawa]

On 03/12/2022 at 7:20 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Let's get real here. In reality the center of classical Athens, Thebes, Sparta et al. wasn't paved at all--it was dirt.

On 03/12/2022 at 8:00 PM, hyperion said:

Guess dirt would be fine as well, just that this texture feels somehow wrong to me.

 

There are some interesting textures from Assassin's Creed Odyssey. These rounded cobblestones in the ground, polished by walking on them, could fill any urban dirt.

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You can also find something more suitable from the original video.

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On 03/12/2022 at 4:22 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Is this the Macedonian center? Looks amazing! It would be interesting to look at the repaired Athenian and Spartan centers.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Lum King

[hyperion]

37 minutes ago, Lum King said:

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This is a typical road "texture", guess this would be plausible as well. The slabs to the left by the columns would also be a fine texture for the plaza and what I had in mind.

[Akira Kurosawa]

Here is another obvious asymmetry. The position of the columns around the well in the Macedonian center is also shifted somewhere in the wrong direction.

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[Akira Kurosawa]

As it turned out, the problem with the missing tiles can be traced not only in urban centers.

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It would be interesting to know who was the author of this idea?

Edited December 6, 2022 by Lum King

[Stan`]

53 minutes ago, Lum King said:

It would be interesting to know who was the author of this idea?

Well you have the versioning system so you can actually figure it out. I'd bet it's been there for about 12 years and was never really an issue.

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I think the idea behind it was to fill it with terrain textures / decals instead and to allow to have some variety. Yellowish tiles in deserts, mossy ones or something in more lush biomes. Looks kinda weird without decals or textures, but I doubt that's what the author was intending.

Random map base placement would fill in some city tile texture for the area, and constructing the building in-game would create a decal IIRC.