wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) The Iberians Lusitanians-Celtiberians-Iberians Above: Iberian hero selection (4th hero will be Retógenes) Above: Iberian Citizens (left), Iberian Forced Laborers (right) Above: Caros (left), Indibilis (right) Above: Viriato the Lusitanian (left), Iberian Priestess (right) Above: Devotio champion (artwork by Joan Francesc Oliveras Pallerols) Edited August 13, 2023 by wowgetoffyourcellphone 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 Did they actually collect left hands as trophies? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) Celtiberians collected hands that's correct but generaly the right hands. So it isn't right (pun intended). Edited October 19, 2021 by Genava55 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Gurken Khan said: Did they actually collect left hands as trophies? I'd be in trouble 40 minutes ago, Genava55 said: Celtiberians collected hands that's correct but generaly the right hands. So it isn't right (pun intended). Thank God, I was worried. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: One question: so were the ancient Iberians? So much influence did they have from North Africa? There was also Celtic genetics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 7 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: One question: so were the ancient Iberians? I am not sure. Maybe. I know Iberians from the North-East collected heads. Hands I don't know. 7 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: So much influence did they have from North Africa? There was also Celtic genetics? As far as I know, the genetical differences between Iberians or Etruscans are small with their neighbors. On the Iberian peninsula, the change mostly happened during the early Bronze Age but for everyone. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ancient-iberians-dna-from-steppe-men-spain https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/ https://www.uma.es/sala-de-prensa/noticias/reconstruyen-la-historia-genomica-de-la-peninsula-iberica-de-los-ultimos-8000-anos/ https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20190314/461028099943/la-asombrosa-historia-de-la-peninsula-iberica-a-traves-de-8000-anos-de-adn.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Genava55 said: I am not sure. Maybe. I know Iberians from the North-East collected heads. Hands I don't know. As far as I know, the genetical differences between Iberians or Etruscans are small with their neighbors. On the Iberian peninsula, the change mostly happened during the early Bronze Age but for everyone. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ancient-iberians-dna-from-steppe-men-spain https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/ https://www.uma.es/sala-de-prensa/noticias/reconstruyen-la-historia-genomica-de-la-peninsula-iberica-de-los-ultimos-8000-anos/ https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20190314/461028099943/la-asombrosa-historia-de-la-peninsula-iberica-a-traves-de-8000-anos-de-adn.html I have seen people in my country with these features. I have always wondered if those features came from the other side of the sea, with the conquest (Conquista). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 Working on hero and support unit portraits. Of course, they will be helmet-less, as the AI has a lot of trouble with historical accuracy when it comes to helmets, armor, etc. I chalk that up to the absolute glut of fantasy and medieval training imagery on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 Above: Iberian hero selection (4th hero will be Retógenes) Above: Iberian Citizens (left), Iberian Forced Laborers (right) Above: Caros (left), Indibilis (right) Above: Viriato the Lusitanian (left), Iberian Priestess (right) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 @Duileoga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 19/10/2021 at 11:03 PM, Lion.Kanzen said: One question: so were the ancient Iberians? So much influence did they have from North Africa? There was also Celtic genetics? Buenos días o tardes: -Los antiguos pueblos íberos eran nativos de las costas mediterráneas de la Península ibérica y extremo sur de la costa de Francia que se conformaban entorno a Ciudades estado y/o tribus ,no estaban emparentados con los celtas(indoeuropeos) , pero en la región Noreste de la península se mezclaron con los celtas de forma genética y cultural dando lugar a los "Celtíberos". (Apunte , hay hipótesis de que los nativos de la región se mezclaron con una migración del Magreb hacia el 3.000 A.C y cristalizó en la Cultura íbera IV a.C-I a.C, pero sin ningún respaldo oficial y sin evidencias probadas, es solo hipótesis) -Los íberos tuvieron Ligeras influencias culturales a lo largo de los siglos del norte de África, del oeste de la península , Fenicia y Grecia pero NO de forma Homogénea , ya que las tribus aunque emparentadas en genética-cultura-geográfica-religiosa e historia , cada tribu iba por solitario sobre todo a partir del siglo II a.C -Ejemplos :Las tribus del interior como los Oretanos e ilergetes eran más influenciados e influenciaban a otras tribus peninsulares , las tribus de la costa sur como los Bastetanos eran más influenciados por los fenicios , las tribus de la costa norte como los Layetanos influenciados por los griegos , otras tribus a los largo del territorio eran las potencias regionales y sin influencia externas como los Edetanos...y cada tribu se adaptaba a su entorno geográfico como mejor podían. Disculpen las molestias* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: @Duileoga? Buenos días o tardes: -No estoy de acuerdo con mezclar íberos, Celtíberos y Lusitanos , por eso segrgué y creé la facción Lusitana. -Si os interesa crear 3 facciones independientes con sus unidades , arquitectura ,bonificaciones , símbolos ,bonificaciones y héroes propios puedo ayudar , ya que la mayoría de la información está en Español y me es más fácil. ( para los tracios tuve que traducir 90%del búlgaro ) -Referencia para las mujeres íberas: (puedo hacer un boceto para :Sacerdotisas ,Mujer Civil , Casada , Soltera...) Disculpen las molestias* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 19/10/2021 at 7:36 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The Iberians Lusitanians-Celtiberians-Iberians Above: Iberian hero selection (4th hero will be Retógenes) Above: Iberian Citizens (left), Iberian Forced Laborers (right) Above: Caros (left), Indibilis (right) Above: Viriato the Lusitanian (left), Iberian Priestess (right) Above: Devotio champion (artwork by Joan Francesc Oliveras Pallerols) On 19/10/2021 at 7:36 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The Iberians Lusitanians-Celtiberians-Iberians Above: Iberian hero selection (4th hero will be Retógenes) Above: Iberian Citizens (left), Iberian Forced Laborers (right) Above: Caros (left), Indibilis (right) Above: Viriato the Lusitanian (left), Iberian Priestess (right) Above: Devotio champion (artwork by Joan Francesc Oliveras Pallerols) -Si queréis hacer una facción "íbera"(segregada de celtíberos y lusitanos): Proposición: Líderes(caudillos/régulos) íberos para la "ia"[inteligencia artificial]; 1-Orisón;--------------------------(¿?)"Rey de los Oretanos" (263 a.c -222 a.c) 2-Edecón;-------------------------(Edesco)"Rey de los Edetanos" (209 a.c) 3-Indíbil;-------------------------(Indobeles )"Rey de los ilergetes"(Fechas; 258 a. C. - 205 a. C) 4-Mandonio;----------------------(¿?) "Régulo de los ausetanos "( fechas; 205a.c) 5-Budar;---------------------------(¿?)"Régulo íbero"en revuelta íbera (197-195 a. C.) 6-Besadino;----------------------(Besadines)"Régulo íbero"en revuelta íbera (197-195 a. C.) 7-Culcas;--------------------------(Culchas) "Rey íbero "revuelta íbera (197-195 a. C.) 8-Luxinio;-------------------------(¿?)"Régulo íbero"en revuelta íbera (197-195 a. C.) (Régulo ; General tribal íbero que era elegido por las asambleas de tribus o ciudades íberas para encabezar una campaña militar o una defensa ante un invasor .Podía comandar a su tribu o ciudad o también encabezar una coalición de tribus y ciudades ) info en orden de aparición (1-8); https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orisónhttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edecónhttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indíbilhttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandoniohttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budar https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besadinohttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culcashttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxinio Posibles unidades para héroes íberos; 1-Orisón. 2-Indíbil. 3-Mandonio. -Posdata @wowgetoffyourcellphone , el diseño de los héroes no sugiere nada(al menos a mí) su origen íbero, podrían llevar un casco y coraza íbera con símbolos culturales. Indibilis(¿ Indíbil? ) y , Viriato Disculpen las molestias* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 19/10/2021 at 7:36 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The Iberians Lusitanians-Celtiberians-Iberians Above: Iberian hero selection (4th hero will be Retógenes) Above: Iberian Citizens (left), Iberian Forced Laborers (right) Above: Caros (left), Indibilis (right) Above: Viriato the Lusitanian (left), Iberian Priestess (right) Above: Devotio champion (artwork by Joan Francesc Oliveras Pallerols) -Me encanta el símbolo con el toro , muy bonito @wowgetoffyourcellphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 I could turn them into 3 separate civs: Iberians, Celtiberians, and Lusitanians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: I could turn them into 3 separate civs: Iberians, Celtiberians, and Lusitanians. Good morning or afternoon: -Para los celtíberos : Líderes(caudillos/generales) Celtíberos para la "ia"[inteligencia artificial]; 1-Olíndico;----------------- (Olónico) "Caudillo celtíbero" (169 a. C.) 2-Caro de Segeda;---------(¿?) "jefe militar de la tribus celtíbera de los Belos"(153 a. C.) 3-Litenón;------------------(¿?) "Caudillo de Numancia "(152 a.c) 4-Ambon;------------------(¿?)"Caudillo de la tribu celtíbera de los Arévacos" 5-Leukon;-------------------(¿?)"Caudillo de la tribu celtíbera de los Arévacos" 6-Tangino;------------------(¿?)"Guerrero celtíbero que rompió el cerco de numancia"(141a.c) 7-Megara;-----------------(¿?)"Caudillo de Numancia " 8-Retógenes;-------------(Rectugenos)"Caudillo de la tribu celtíbera de los Arévacos"(133a.c) info en orden de aparición (1-8); https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olíndicohttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caro_de_Segedahttp://dbe.rah.es/biografias/22746/litennonhttps://www.celticahispana.com/los-heroes-de-numancia/https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerras_celtíberashttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangino https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megara_(Numancia)https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retógenes_el_Caraunio Posibles unidades para héroes íberos; 1-Caro de segeda. 2-Tangino. 3-Megara. -Para los lusitanos: Líderes lusitanos (Para la "IA"); 1."Viriato ";------------------------------(Virilos ) 2." Cauceno";----------------------------( Kaikainos) 3."Césaro ";------------------------------(Caisaro ) 4." Púnico";------------------------------(Apimano ) 5." Taútalo";------------------------------( Teutalus) 6."Curius ";-------------------------------( Coutio) 7." Apuleio";-----------------------------(Apano ) 8." Conoba";------------------------------( Connoba) - @wowgetoffyourcellphone ¿Qué le parece? Disculpen las molestias* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Héroes lusitanos (ya creé sus modelos y texturas)* 1.Viriato ;--------------------------------------(Virilos) 2.Púnico ;--------------------------------------(Apimano) 3.Cauceno;-------------------------------------(Kaikainos ) (Además de ser los más importantes , sus gestas contra los romanos son increíbles) Disculpen las molestias* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Duileoga said: Héroes lusitanos (ya creé sus modelos y texturas)* 1.Viriato ;--------------------------------------(Virilos) 2.Púnico ;--------------------------------------(Apimano) 3.Cauceno;-------------------------------------(Kaikainos ) (Además de ser los más importantes , sus gestas contra los romanos son increíbles) Disculpen las molestias* Can you think of a strong 4th hero from the extended list? I'm trying to give each civ at least 4 to choose from. ¿Puedes pensar en un cuarto héroe fuerte de la lista extendida? Estoy tratando de darle a cada civilización al menos 4 para elegir. Edited August 15, 2023 by wowgetoffyourcellphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 26 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Can you think of a strong 4th hero from the extended list? I'm trying to give each civ at least 4 to choose from. ¿Puedes pensar en un cuarto héroe fuerte de la lista extendida? Estoy tratando de darle a cada civilización al menos 4 para elegir. https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Césaro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 3 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Can you think of a strong 4th hero from the extended list? I'm trying to give each civ at least 4 to choose from. ¿Puedes pensar en un cuarto héroe fuerte de la lista extendida? Estoy tratando de darle a cada civilización al menos 4 para elegir. 2 hours ago, Genava55 said: https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Césaro I like the idea of including Césaro-------"Caisaro": Caisaro: 1. Short beard. 2. linotórax with Trisqueles symbols. 3. linen cape. 4. Bronze helmet with symbols and three crests with plumes each. 5. Long black hair Kaikainos: 1. Long beard. 2. Chain mail. 3. Covered with a mantle of thick fur. 4. Steel helmet with symbols and a high plume. 5. Long brown hair. Apimano: 1. Long beard. 2. Chainmail with gold trims and a Celtic Torque. 3. Covered with a leather cloak. 4. Dark metal helmet with symbols and a thick plume that falls over one shoulder. 5. Long black hair with some braids. -Viriato has a great look. Sorry for the inconveniences* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duileoga Posted August 18, 2023 Report Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 14/08/2023 at 12:41 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: @Duileoga? Buenos días o tardes; -Estoy intentando remodelar la facción íbera , pero no encuentro los cascos y sus texturas para remodelar los, ¿Sabéis dónde encontrar los? Estos son los pocos que encontré:(junto a nuevo aspecto de mujer íbera inacabados) Disculpen las molestias* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2023 Should make them move with the animations. Any way to make them twist with the animations, the way the capes do, @Stan`? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Caraunius/Retogenes portrait idea. Maybe depict him as a gallant, reckless, idealistic young man rather than a seasoned warrior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 And if you make them Basque type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: And if you make them Basque type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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