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[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

41 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

Anyway a more pressing matter would be why is he in the game? From what little I know he did little but get beaten by Antipater.

Cleomenes III would be better. Training him can unlock Spartan Pikemen. 

Edited June 25, 2021 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

37 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

I don't know what u are talking about, he looks pissed, as all spartans should be.

I think all Spartans should look sassy. 

[Gurken Khan]

36 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Cleomenes III would be better.

As you wrote earlier somewhere all heroes should be reviewed.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

55 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Cleomenes III would be better. Training him can unlock Spartan Pikemen. 

He is responsible for a small contingent of them if im not mistaken. The question is if that would be any favor to the spartans, what would it add strat wise?

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

He is responsible for a small contingent of them if im not mistaken. The question is if that would be any favor to the spartans, what would it add strat wise?

Dunno. If enemy is going heavy on cav, training pikes could be the cure.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

8 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Dunno. If enemy is going heavy on cav, training pikes could be the cure.

True but their spearman can handle them just  fine no? Expecially if Agoge is researched.

 

[Player of 0AD]

8 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

True but their spearman can handle them just  fine no? Expecially if Agoge is researched.

 

They do

Agoge works only on champions btw

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

13 hours ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

I don't know what u are talking about, he looks pissed, as all spartans should be. Anyway a more pressing matter would be why is he in the game? From what little I know he did little but get beaten by Antipater.

I have definitely argued against his inclusion; it is in conflict with the central point of the game, controlling civilisations during their apex.  There are much better choices than him.  Lysander could be an option, but he doesn't really reflect the core Spartan ethos.  I would much rather argue for Agesilaus II.  

Other heroes I would say should be replaced include Iphicrates and Cleopatra, neither of which represent the golden ages of their factions.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

I think Iphicrates is nice, who would you include? Solon? Xnophon, who is already in the editor at least. As for poor Cleo's place, we already got the two ptolemies, so perhaps a prominent general or admiral in the ptolemaic army. Btw how hard is it to make an actor?

Edited June 26, 2021 by PyrrhicVictoryGuy

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

1 hour ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

I think Iphicrates is nice, who would you include? Solon? Xnophon, who is already in the editor at least. As for poor Cleo's place, we already got the two ptolemies, so perhaps a prominent general or admiral in the ptolemaic army. Btw how hard is it to make an actor?

I would argue for either Kimon or Miltiades; we're thinking about the Athenian golden age, and that generally constrains us to the Persian or the Peloponnesian Wars.  I could see a reason behind using Solon although his role would potentially overlap with Pericles to an extent.  Xenophon would frankly be an awful choice; he was more sympathetic to Sparta than Athens.  I do think think that heroes like him however would be interesting to have as mercenary heroes that could be recruited along with the likes of Memnon and Clearchus.  Xenophon should be represented as a cavalry hero though, not an infantry one.

I'm not particularly familiar with Ptolemaic history to weigh in on a suitable replacement for Cleopatra, but I'm sure something could be found.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

Oh mercenary heroes would be tight.

What happened to Pyrrhus? His helmet is in the editor...

Edited June 26, 2021 by PyrrhicVictoryGuy

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

44 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

What happened to Pyrrhus? His helmet is in the editor...

Pyrrhus would also be a great addition by far.  Honestly I'm not sure how much this sort of a option would be enjoyed as a staple to the game, but I could definitely see it introduced either as a mod or an alternate game mode.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

10 minutes ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:

Pyrrhus would also be a great addition by far.  Honestly I'm not sure how much this sort of a option would be enjoyed as a staple to the game, but I could definitely see it introduced either as a mod or an alternate game mode.

The problem with heroes is that if you want to add a lot of them, you need to add more factions and then you would get a civ roster that is like 60 % greek

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

It would be a simple thing to at least just add heroes to Atlas. Don't need special civs for that.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

Yes but without more factions , the shear amount of greek heroes would these factions a very tangible edge over everyone else.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

6 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

Yes but without more factions , the shear amount of greek heroes would these factions a very tangible edge over everyone else.

I'm saying you can add the heroes to the game, but not assign them to any specific factions. They can be in Atlas for scenarios or campaigns.

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

1 hour ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

The problem with heroes is that if you want to add a lot of them, you need to add more factions and then you would get a civ roster that is like 60 % greek

The thing is that Greek mercenaries were a common thing.  Greeks hired them, as did Persians.  Obviously you could add other notable mercenary leaders that were not Greek; I only mention Greeks because Hellenic studies is kind of my thing.  That said, heroes do not require factions to exist.  Xenophon is an example of this.  

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

17 minutes ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:

The thing is that Greek mercenaries were a common thing.  Greeks hired them, as did Persians.  Obviously you could add other notable mercenary leaders that were not Greek; I only mention Greeks because Hellenic studies is kind of my thing.  That said, heroes do not require factions to exist.  Xenophon is an example of this.  

Indeed. In Atlas you could have 100 heroes for scenarios and campaigns, but in-game still limit them to 3 per faction.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

yeah my mistake, I didn't what you guys were saying the first time

 

[Saatamia]

ok

[Saatamia]

[Saatamia]

Why , there is no Julius Caesar .

When we think of Rome we often think of Caesar.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

Because the Rome we have in game is pre Marian reforms. When I think of Rome, scipiones come first to mind, then Sulla and Pompey.

Edited June 27, 2021 by PyrrhicVictoryGuy

[Saatamia]

ha okay, but hey there is not even a legionary in normal 0AD

 

[Thorfinn the Shallow Minded]

34 minutes ago, Saatamia said:

ha okay, but hey there is not even a legionary in normal 0AD

If you're talking about the classic 1st century legionnaire, there actually is; just check the atlas editor.