PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Would peak expansion etruscans use the boeotian helmet and it's variants? I got this pic from google and it seems sus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 The picture comes from Osprey, so you should simply check the description. Someone copied it there: https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2020/02/16/etruscan-warriors/ Spoiler 8. ETRUSCANS IN THE ROMAN ARMY, 2nd–1st CENTURIES BC1) Lictor Painted urns from Volterra show cornicines and lictores attending victors or magistrates; this lictor is copied from the Tomba del Convegno (Monterozzi necropolis, Tarquinia). He is wearing the toga gabina and carries an iron double-axe (bipennis).(2) Eques An unusual urn from Volterra, representing the myth of Eteocles and Polynices, shows the brothers dressed like Roman cavalrymen of the period, with Boeotian helmets fitted with the geminae pinnae of Mars, shields of popanum typology, leather armour (spolas), greaves, and short swords.(3) Centurio This Roman centurion, copied from an urn in Florence Museum, wears a pseudo-Corinthian helmet fitted with a crista transversa. His composite armour is made of leather (shoulder-guards), padded material (main corselet), and on the chest bronze scales (squamae). Note his calcei boots, and the richly varied colours of his panoply.(4) Guardsman Reconstructed from the Sarteana urn, this Roman miles wears a late Montefortino helmet found in Forum Novum. His body armour combines a bronze kardiophylax breastplate and a linothorax corselet. We have added a single left greave and the curved oblong legionary scutum of his time; his weapons are the hasta and the deadly gladius hispaniensis.(5) Magistrate The absorption of Etruria into Rome saw leading Etruscan families climbing the government hierarchy. This official, copied from the famous statue of Aule Metele, wears the toga exigua over a tunica; the latter’s purple angusticlavi, and the gold ring on his left hand, identify him as a member of the equestrian order. Hidden here, he would also be wearing high calcei boots with lingula, and fastened by corrigiae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 So it is not "peak expansion Etruscans" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Helmets are regional variations. They carry various prefixes of Greek style Pseudo- Italo- Standardization is not like the post-industrial revolution era, which we are used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: Helmets are regional variations. In this case, this is a kind of helmets in use among officers in the Roman army. Due to inspiration from Hellenistic territories recently acquired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Genava55 said: The picture comes from Osprey, so you should simply check the description. Someone copied it there: https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2020/02/16/etruscan-warriors/ Hide contents 8. ETRUSCANS IN THE ROMAN ARMY, 2nd–1st CENTURIES BC1) Lictor Painted urns from Volterra show cornicines and lictores attending victors or magistrates; this lictor is copied from the Tomba del Convegno (Monterozzi necropolis, Tarquinia). He is wearing the toga gabina and carries an iron double-axe (bipennis).(2) Eques An unusual urn from Volterra, representing the myth of Eteocles and Polynices, shows the brothers dressed like Roman cavalrymen of the period, with Boeotian helmets fitted with the geminae pinnae of Mars, shields of popanum typology, leather armour (spolas), greaves, and short swords.(3) Centurio This Roman centurion, copied from an urn in Florence Museum, wears a pseudo-Corinthian helmet fitted with a crista transversa. His composite armour is made of leather (shoulder-guards), padded material (main corselet), and on the chest bronze scales (squamae). Note his calcei boots, and the richly varied colours of his panoply.(4) Guardsman Reconstructed from the Sarteana urn, this Roman miles wears a late Montefortino helmet found in Forum Novum. His body armour combines a bronze kardiophylax breastplate and a linothorax corselet. We have added a single left greave and the curved oblong legionary scutum of his time; his weapons are the hasta and the deadly gladius hispaniensis.(5) Magistrate The absorption of Etruria into Rome saw leading Etruscan families climbing the government hierarchy. This official, copied from the famous statue of Aule Metele, wears the toga exigua over a tunica; the latter’s purple angusticlavi, and the gold ring on his left hand, identify him as a member of the equestrian order. Hidden here, he would also be wearing high calcei boots with lingula, and fastened by corrigiae. i saw that but i wanted a second opinion, I am no expert and the internet aint reliable Edited June 11, 2021 by PyrrhicVictoryGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Trying to figure out what would Etruscan use, I mean they would probably have equipment similar to the Latins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 I also saw those fin like helmets but aren-t those villanova era thingies only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Genava55 said: his weapons are the hasta and the deadly gladius hispaniensis. Of the guardsman, I feel like a Xiphos would be more period appropriate than a Gladius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 We have neglected the Italic peoples. Samnite wars are within the period of 0 A.D. Magna Greece Also neglected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: We have neglected the Italic peoples. Samnite wars are within the period of 0 A.D. Magna Greece Also neglected. Other than tarentum(?) and neapolis and maybe syracuse what does southern italy have? I mean syracuse could be so cool, like only having 1 CC and having other tools to expand, maybe it could have P2 hero/heroes and mercs obvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said: Other than tarentum(?) and neapolis and maybe syracuse what does southern italy have? I mean syracuse could be so cool, like only having 1 CC and having other tools to expand, maybe it could have P2 hero/heroes and mercs obvs https://www.honga.net/totalwar/rome2/faction.php?l=en&v=rome2#main_invasion there are a couple more on this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfinn the Shallow Minded Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 15 hours ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said: Trying to figure out what would Etruscan use, I mean they would probably have equipment similar to the Latins. The best sort of way of bridging that gap would be to look at Etruscan art. That's essentially where artists like the person who did this got inspiration from. Of the little representation I have seen of their depictions of soldiers, this does not seem accurate, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded From what i've seen from bronze statues , the calchidian helm, xiphos and a composite linothorax panoply seem to have been popular among them. Sometimes one sees a pilis like helmet too. Strangely no corithian helmets . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Ah there they are!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyrrhicVictoryGuy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Ah i was spot on the composite linothorax. So its safe to say that the most popular styles were the pilos "like" helmet with the fin corinthian, pseudo-calchidian, montefortino and probably the illyrian too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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