===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Illyrians (Faction)

[wackyserious]

Update:

Placeholder buildings, somehow in a playable state now for SVN version.

- New actor file tweaks

- New portraits

[wackyserious]

More play testing, added generic names and some new icons.

I will update the first post in this thread

[wackyserious]

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

I think if we can get a full Thracian building set modeled, the Illyrians and Thracians can share the same building set. We can just tint the Illyrian struct texture slightly different hues, maybe a different roof texture, etc.

 

Using the Gaul buildings as a placeholder is a good choice.

Edited October 17, 2022 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[Ultimate Aurelian]

Possibly they could have a pikeman unit

https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Illyrioi_Peltophoroi_(Illyrian_Light_Phalanx)

[Ultimate Aurelian]

 Perhaps they could be able to have scorpions and bolt towers (but no stone throwing catapults).

On 06/12/2019 at 6:37 PM, Genava55 said:

Appian, The Illyrian Wars 4: "[18] The transalpine Iapydes, a strong and savage tribe, drove back the Romans twice within the space of about twenty years, overran Aquileia, and plundered the Roman colony of Tergestus. When Augustus advanced against them by a steep and rugged road, note they made it still harder for him by felling trees. As he advanced farther they took refuge in another forest, where they lay in ambush for the approaching foe. Augustus, who was always suspecting something of this kind, sent forces to occupy certain ridges which flanked both sides of his advance through the flat country and the fallen timber. The Iapydes darted out from their ambush and wounded many of the soldiers, but the greater part of their own forces were killed by the Romans who fell upon them from the heights above. The remainder again took refuge in the thickets, abandoning their town, the name of which was Terponus. Augustus took this town, but did not burn it, hoping that they also would give themselves up, and they did so.

[19] Thence he advanced to another place called Metulus, which is the chief town of the Iapydes. It is situated on a heavily timbered mountain, on two ridges with a narrow valley between them. Here were about 3,000 warlike and well-armed youth, who easily beat off the Romans who surrounded their walls.

The latter raised a mound. The Metulians interrupted the work by assaults by day and by night, and harassed the soldiers from the walls with engines which they had obtained from the war which Decimus Brutus had waged there with [Marc] Antony and Augustus. When their wall began to crumble they built another inside, abandoned the ruined one, and took shelter behind the other.

The Romans captured the abandoned one and burned it. Against the new fortification they raised two mounds and from these threw four bridges to the top of the wall. Then, in order to distract their attention, Augustus sent a part of his force around to the rear of the town and ordered the others to dash across the bridges to the walls. He ascended to the top of a high tower to see the result."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapydes

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Ultimate Aurelian

[Genava55]

Nescio was against giving the abilities to other civs to capture enemy engines, he answered just after.

Up to the others.

Edited 5 hours ago by Genava55

[Thalatta]

18 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

Nescio was against giving the abilities to other civs to capture enemy engines, he answered just after.

Yes, but we continued that discussion in:

It's one of the things I'd reconsider, and from what I've read, not everyone saw eye-to-eye with him (although I don't know if for well founded reasons).

Edited 5 hours ago by Thalatta
Somewhere else I started arguing for the idea of base garrisons (operators in this case) instead of a "use cooldown".

[Genava55]

4 hours ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

 Perhaps they could be able to have scorpions and bolt towers (but no stone throwing catapults).

This excerpt comes from Appian's Roman History (Historia Romana, Book X: The Illyrian Wars, Chapter 19).

It describes the Siege of Metulum (35 BC), the capital city of the Iapydes (located in modern-day Croatia), which took place during Octavian's (the future Emperor Augustus) military campaign in Illyricum.

Octavian's forces were attempting to capture the heavily fortified city by constructing a large siege mound to reach the top of the ramparts. In response, the Metulians engaged in fierce day-and-night sorties and launched counter-defenses, constructing a second inner wall as their outer fortification began to crumble.

The Metulians harassed the Roman legionaries using specialized siege engines (tormenta—primarily ballistae and catapults/scorpions). Remarkably, these were not native weapons, they had been captured or acquired eight years earlier (in 43 BC) following the siege of Mutina (Modena), where Decimus Brutus was besieged by Mark Antony before Octavian’s intervention.

Edited 2 hours ago by Genava55

[Ultimate Aurelian]

4 hours ago, Genava55 said:

Nescio was against giving the abilities to other civs to capture enemy engines, he answered just after.

Up to the others.

I'm not sure every civ should have the ability.

But at least the civs that actually captured them historically could have a technology to unlock siege engines.

https://tyche.univie.ac.at/index.php/tyche/article/view/5047

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In any case, the Iapodes did possess Roman artillery machines,53 which means that during the Illyrian war of Octavian both the Romans and Iapodes used them against each other.

 

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53 These must have been catapults (scorpiones), but in any case light artillery that was relatively easy to transport (carroballistae or manuballistae): J. F. Torres-Martínez, A. Martínez Velasco, C. Pérez Farraces, Augustan Campaigns in the Initial Phase of the Cantabrian War and Roman Artillery Projectiles from the Monte Bernorio oppidum (Villarén, prov. Palencia), Archäologisches Korrespondenzblatt 42/4 (2012) 534–537; cf. J. Wintjes, Technology with an Impact. Field Artillery in the Ancient World, Vulcan 3 (2015) 26–28; 32; on artillery generally E. W. Marsden, Greek and Roman Artillery: Historical Development, Oxford 1969 (on Roman pp. 174–198). I would like to thank Everett L. Wheeler for his kind explanation and suggestion of further literature.

This article at least argues for them being Scorpions but the original source is no that clear in any case.

Edited 1 hour ago by Ultimate Aurelian

[Thalatta]

33 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

I'm not sure every civ should have the ability.

I think they should, just like building capture, not to overcomplicate things. It would automatically be just more useful for some than for others, particularly since civs that don't build complex ones would be usually more mobile.