===[TASK]=== Ptolemaic Structures

[Lion.Kanzen]

In my first impression I love more the Lordgood but is a barrack. Need se more military. Strong.

[Enrique]

Despite of which one is used or if a new one is modeled, I think that a symmetrical building is the way to go, which seems to be more historical accurate. Looking for references, every important building I found is totally or almost-totally symmetric.

[WhiteTreePaladin]

I like both. Perhaps you can post another screenshot with better lighting? The colors just look a bit dull in that picture.

[LordGood]

lmao, I had no idea you were already working on one xP

you usually ask me to do the barracks!

I like the solidity of yours, it fits much better with the more prominent buildings, but I feel like mine is more of a 'poor man's barracks'

[serveurix]

Despite of which one is used or if a new one is modeled, I think that a symmetrical building is the way to go, which seems to be more historical accurate. Looking for references, every important building I found is totally or almost-totally symmetric.

I agree. Plus, a symmetrical architecture would make the identification of the building more intuitive to new players, because it's more consistent with the rest of the game.

And I agree that the cornice at the top should be minimal or removed. It's too glorious and sophisticated for a military training building.

[SDM]

Can one of the models be repurposed to suit another building type?

[Ludo38]

Amen.

I was working on this concept before I knew you already finished your model.

barracks concept.jpg

Concerning you design, Enrique, my main remark would be about the buttresses on the peripherical wall. They are surely too big for such building, and overall, the brown color bugs me. I'm pretty sure they would look better and more credible with the same color as the rest of the wall. Also, maybe removing one on 2 buttresses would work much better.

Just my feeling..

Out of that, the general design feels like barracks, so indeed this is a good start.

[LordGood]

Are you planning on adding hieroglyphs to the barracks Enrique? I think it would look pretty nice. Most of the other important buildings do, after all. Maybe that's why WhiteTreePaladin thought it looked a bit pale

I'd love to see it in context with the other buildings too

[Enrique]

Are you planning on adding hieroglyphs to the barracks Enrique? I think it would look pretty nice. Most of the other important buildings do, after all. Maybe that's why WhiteTreePaladin thought it looked a bit pale

I'd love to see it in context with the other buildings too

Actually I was about to keep this task assigned to you. The barracks I made is not finished and the design is not ideal. IIRC you draw two more concepts that looked nice and more symmetrical, so if you're willing to, I'll leave the barracks to you. You're very good at drawing, so you can post some concepts to decide which one to go to avoid losing work.

About the barracks decoration, I want to keep the hieroglyphs/decoration to a minimum, it's a warfare building after all.

[LordGood]

Sounds like a plan!

Here's two concepts

[Enrique]

Much better. I like both actually.

I'll leave it to Michael if he prefers one of the two. If you ask me, I'll say model both and have 2 barracks variations

[LordGood]

Excellent! I'll get on it this weekend

How do you guys feel about semicircular merlons? I'd like to switch it up with the Egyptian crenellations so we dont only have stepped and rectangular ones throughout.

[Mythos_Ruler]

Much better. I like both actually.

I'll leave it to Michael if he prefers one of the two. If you ask me, I'll say model both and have 2 barracks variations

Either one looks like a good start.

[Yves]

It has sightly bigger footprint than the persian temple.

Here are some references:

<a data-ipb="nomediaparse" data-cke-saved-href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Philae,_Trajan" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Philae,_Trajan" s_kiosk,_aswan,_egypt,_oct_2004.jpg"="">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Philae,_Trajan's_Kiosk,_Aswan,_Egypt,_Oct_2004.jpg

http://cdn2.vtourist.com/4/5090784-Trajans_Kiosk_Philae.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4025/4677163356_d84422f60f_o.jpg

The stone is what passed the centuries but did it really have an open roof or was it covered by wood or something else?

[Lion.Kanzen]

I found this

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/568/bo8.htm

http://www.discoveringegypt.com/rebuildIsis.htm

Enter and see the video

Trajan's Kiosk, a hypaethral temple, is one of the largest Ancient Egyptian monuments standing today at the island of Agilkia, which was constructed by the Roman Emperor, Trajan.[1] It was originally built at the island of Philae (near the lower Aswan Dam) but transported to Agilika in the 1960s by UNESCO to save it from being enveloped by the rising waters of the Nile due to the construction of the Aswan High Dam.[2]

This 15-x-20 metre kiosk is 15.85 metres high; its function was likely "to shelter the bark of Isis at the eastern banks" of Philae island.[3] Its four by five columns each carry "different, lavishly structured composite capitals that are topped by 2.10-metre-high piers" and were originally "intended to be sculpted into Bes piers, similar to the birthhouses of Philae, Armant, and Dendera though this decoration was never completed.[4]

The structure is today roofless,[5] but sockets within the structure's architraves suggest that its roof, which was made of timber, was indeed constructed in ancient times.[6] Three 12.50-metre-long, presumably triangulated trusses, "which were inserted into a ledge at the back of stone architecture, carried the slightly vaulted roof."[7] This building represents an example of the unusual combination of wood and stone in the same architectural structure for an Egyptian temple.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philae

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Kiosk

Edited October 18, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen

[Enrique]

The structure is today roofless,[5] but sockets within the structure's architraves suggest that its roof, which was made of timber, was indeed constructed in ancient times.[6] Three 12.50-metre-long, presumably triangulated trusses, "which were inserted into a ledge at the back of stone architecture, carried the slightly vaulted roof."[7] This building represents an example of the unusual combination of wood and stone in the same architectural structure for an Egyptian temple.

Interesting.... I wonder why there's no 3D reconstruction or drawing depicting it with roof

[Lion.Kanzen]

Hmm, the rebuild can have one, not all rebuilds or artists have same points of view.

Edited October 18, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen

[LordGood]

Things!

ptol_barracks_3.zip

[LordGood]

Does this one fit the bill, or should I try the other concept?

or should I give the walls a go?

[Mythos_Ruler]

I don't like the wooden rails and the rounded merlons... But the general layout and direction is sound. Thoughts, Enrique? I don't like the wooden rails because we are likely to not see them in any other building and their design is kind of odd.

Though, the rounded merlons don't look bad here:

I think they are newer in style (Middle Ages) than the rectangular and triangular merlons of antiquity.

[LordGood]

I did a little background reading from here on my own time. It's out of time frame, but from the Old-New kingdom Egypt, so architectural style would have been established by the Ptolemaic kingdom. Rounded merlons seem to be historically, or at least regionally accurate (tomb paintings and such depict round merlons)

they are smaller and more tightly packed from what I've seen on tomb paintings, but that might have a bit of a heavy impact on tris

Railings were my attempt to slightly 'Romanize' the building

[LordGood]

I was planning on carrying them over to the walls too; perhaps the relationship would make the ones on the barracks a bit less conspicuous

[Mythos_Ruler]

All right, let's go with round merlons. Good sleuthing.

About the rails, this is the "Greco-Macedonian" era of Egypt, so there's no need to "Romanize" them. Maybe instead think of ways to incorporate some Greek elements?

[LordGood]

lol thanks xP

I'll totally whiff the Macedonian thing, but you better believe when it comes to castles I do my research! ahaha

Being the native barracks I'd want to keep external influence as minimal as possible. A railing seemed the least intrusive. If nothing else, I'll probably just scrap the railing and be done with it. Maybe use some of the polys I save in the process to compact the crenellations too, if that sounds like a good strategy at this point.

Which leaves the wall concepts I left, do you think the heavily stylized or the more old-timey Egyptian fortifications work better for the Ptolemies?

[Mythos_Ruler]

We can look at both approaches.