Roman counter to Selucid elite cavarly?

[Casaul player]

How to counter Selucid elite cavarly when playing Romans? Most units are ineffective.

Edited 12 hours ago by Casaul player

[Deicide4u]

Town phase - Mass Triarius (Veteran Spearman)

City phase - Consul Bodyguard cavalry/Marian Reforms spearmen/Marian Legionaries. Make sure you have Centurions nearby. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Deicide4u

[Atrik]

There are no counters to Sele/Pers champion cavalry spears (but you having more champ spear cav then your opponent).

Even if you had spartiate or any champion infantry polearms. They have extra range (7m) so if your enemy fight with them in formation with some melee infantry, now the champs fight behind the infantry (who have 4m range), therefor your champ spears aren't counters. Tested it against borg in tg recently even him can't do anything.

[Casaul player]

I feel like the Selucid elite cav is too op. I need massive advantage in numbers when I play against my friend. Consular cavarly dies quickly, legionaries hold the line for a while but in a straight battle I need massive number advantage with constant resupply in units.

[Emacz]

6 minutes ago, Casaul player said:

I feel like the Selucid elite cav is too op. I need massive advantage in numbers when I play against my friend. Consular cavarly dies quickly, legionaries hold the line for a while but in a straight battle I need massive number advantage with constant resupply in units.

historical is the counter

But also making sure that you dont let them mass Cataphracts

[Deicide4u]

19 minutes ago, Casaul player said:

I feel like the Selucid elite cav is too op

Yes, it is. But, has your friend tried Silver Shield Pikemen with Chariots yet? Pikes hold the line while Chariots destroy everything from afar.

Each civ has some OP units. Roman infantry is very OP when used effectively. Try using the Testudo formation (switch formation usage from "Walk/Patrol only" to "No override"). Testudo keeps all your infantry swordsmen in a very packed formation, slicing and dicing any nearby enemies in seconds.

Add some Centurions to the mix for extra DPS. Centurions can be upgraded from Elite swordsmen and spearmen, or trained at Forts once Marian Reforms are researched. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Deicide4u

[sj113]

I don't think so, it's very expensive and I've never produced more than 25

[TheChampChump321]

I have to agree with sj113 here, it is a rather expensive steel-intensive unit if you take in all of the required upgrades into account. It has to give at least some benefits for it all to be even remotely worth the cost. Otherwise it will be the Seleucid Elephant Champion situation all over again, which seem to have been nerfed to oblivion, making them unsuitable for anything (in this state they can not be used neither to destroy buildings nor kill units). Just my two cents. 

Edited 22 minutes ago by TheChampChump321
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