Lion.Kanzen Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 I'm going to make some Scythian yurts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 im doing the hard way. reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lion.Kanzen Posted March 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) i will make/add: doors(2) props (I'm not sure now) a base(wodeen) the structure above... Edited March 31, 2023 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: i will make/add: doors(2) props (I'm not sure now) a base(wodeen) the structure above... https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1yaa61ywn5lp7z/Scythianhouses.blend?dl=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 @Lopess que props puedo integrar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: @Lopess que props puedo integrar? Definitivamente ya tenemos buenos props para props, creo que no es necesario "reinventar la rueda", solo si es para agregar algo específico a la cultura que ya no está, más aún si se agregan estas casas como variantes de los existentes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lopess said: Definitivamente ya tenemos buenos props para props, creo que no es necesario "reinventar la rueda", solo si es para agregar algo específico a la cultura que ya no está, más aún si se agregan estas casas como variantes de los existentes. but there is no texture for a pyramidoid yurt? I'm going to have to design one with what's available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Hay dos cosas que extraño de ellos, las sillas de montar y las exquisitas decoraciones de los caballos, y los túmulos funerarios. Pero no sé cómo podría ayudar esto en los props de la yurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Lopess said: Hay dos cosas que extraño de ellos, las sillas de montar y las exquisitas decoraciones de los caballos, y los túmulos funerarios. Pero no sé cómo podría ayudar esto en los props de la yurts Ironically you can but as a prop point and it is generated randomly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 @Lopess hagamos la textura ambos, tu pones el "place holder" ( textura provisional y yo rediseño en Photoshop las partes feas.( Lo perfeccionó). Me cuesta texturizar(me aburre de hecho). Te puedo dar referencias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 The existing texture should work as well for a square yurt as for a round one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The existing texture should work as well for a square yurt as for a round one. You can texturize it to test, I left a link with the model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 (edited) testing... Edited April 8, 2023 by Lion.Kanzen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: testing... This I already knew I should correct, but now it is more obvious, posts going through carpet, fabric door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: This I already knew I should correct, but now it is more obvious, posts going through carpet, fabric door. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 which parts of the texture can I replace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stan` Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Hey that's pretty cool! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Stan` said: Hey that's pretty cool! Thanks, and that I have not been able to use the textures I have in mind. I plan to use silk and some rugs made by me with Scythian patterns. I need Wowgetoffyoucellphone give to me a green light. A I mean he give me permission to manipulate textures and tell me which ones he doesn't need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 @LopessI have not yet tested the factions outside of Delenda East, Terra Magna already have ready to test the Scythians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: @LopessI have not yet tested the factions outside of Delenda East, Terra Magna already have ready to test the Scythians? They are already there and playable in alpha 27, there are only inconvenient warnings left when running, but nothing that prevents you from playing. WARNING: [ParamNode] Could not remove token 'phase_city' from node 'Techs'; not present in list nor inherited (possible typo?) WARNING: [ParamNode] Could not remove token 'phase_city' from node 'Techs'; not present in list nor inherited (possible typo?) WARNING: [ParamNode] Could not remove token 'phase_city' from node 'Techs'; not present in list nor inherited (possible typo?) WARNING: [ParamNode] Could not remove token 'phase_city' from node 'Techs'; not present in list nor inherited (possible typo?) TIMER| LoadDLL: 779.075 us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) Les Scythes, by Iaroslav Lebedynsky: Quote La plupart des Scythes vivaient dans des chariots aménagés en habitations et dans des tentes, les rapports entre les deux n’étant d’ailleurs pas parfaitement clairs. Le Pseudo-Hippocrate [Des airs, des eaux et des lieux, XVIII) décrit les chariots scythes de façon assez détaillée et insiste sur leur rôle de “maisons sur roues” : “Ils n’ont pas d’habitations fixes et demeurent dans des chariots. Les plus pe@#$% de ces chariots sont à quatre roues, les autres en ont six ; ils sont fermés avec du feutre et construits comme des maisons, les uns n’ont qu’une chambre, les autres en ont trois. Ils sont impénétrables à la neige, à la pluie et aux vents. A ces chariots, on attelle deux ou trois paires de boeufs sans cornes. Dans de tels chariots vivent les femmes, et les hommes vont à cheval. ” Eschyle [Prométhée enchaîné) décrit également les “Scythes nomades qui habitent des demeures d’osier tressé juchées sur des chars à bonnes roues”. Le type le plus répandu devait être celui à quatre roues ; c’est en tout cas celui dont on retrouve normalement les traces dans les sépultures scythes. On imagine bien, en regardant les tapis et les étoffes préservés dans les “kourganes gelés” de l’Altaï, combien les compartiments pouvaient être rendus confortables. Si la caisse des chariots n’est guère connue, chez les Scythes d’Europe, que par la description du Pseudo-Hippocrate et quelques représentations (notamment des modèles réduits - probablement des jouets d’enfants - en terre cuite), de nombreuses roues ont été découvertes dans les tombes, dans un état qui permet de restituer leur structure. Leur étude donne une haute idée de la compétence technique de leurs fabricants. Elles étaient faites de bois et mesuraient entre 0,80 et 1,20 m de diamètre. Elles avaient de dix à douze rayons, et un moyeu en forme de cylindre ou de tonnelet aminci aux extrémités. Certaines comportaient des renforts métalliques, mais ce n’est pas systématique. On peut risquer un parallèle avec les lourds chariots de transport à quatre roues encore utilisés au XIXe siècle en Ukraine, notamment par les tchoumaks ou convoyeurs de sel qui les fabriquaient eux-mêmes mais achetaient les roues à des artisans spécialisés : les roues de bois n’étaient cerclées de fer que lorsqu’elles commençaient à se fendre ; des roues bien faites devaient pouvoir durer dix ans sans réparation. Les chariots d’habitation étaient certainement, compte tenu de leur poids, tirés par des boeufs, attelés au moyen d’un joug et d’un timon. Les nobles scythes en possédaient un grand nombre ; un personnage de l’un des romans scythes de Lucien de Samosate (Toxaris, XLVI) se vante de ses 80 chariots, et la comparaison avec les sociétés nomades médiévales ou modernes les mieux connues, comme les Mongols de l’époque impériale, suggère que ce nombre n’a rien d’invraisemblable. En ce qui concerne les tentes, on n’en possède pas de description (on ne peut considérer comme telle l’allusion d’Hérodote, IV, 23, au feutre, prétendument fixé à un arbre, sous lequel vivraient les lointains Argippéens : “Ils ont pour demeure le pied d’un arbre, entouré en hiver d’une tenture de feutre blanc imperméable, et sans ce feutre en été"’). Les espèces de tipis servant à l’inhalation des vapeurs de chanvre (Hérodote, IV, 73-75) ne sont pas des habitations. Chez les nomades des steppes européennes, la plus ancienne représentation de tente circulaire typiquement nomade (ce que l’on appelle improprement “yourte” en Occident) figure sur une fresque du tombeau d’Anthestêrios à Kertch (Ukraine, Crimée). Elle date de l’époque sarmate, et le modèle devait être connu des Scythes tardifs, si l’on en juge par les traces d’habitat de ce genre relevées dans leurs établissements (cf. chap. XI). Certains archéologues pensent que ces tentes pouvaient être montées sur des chariots, suivant une pratique attestée chez des peuples de la steppe à des époques plus récentes. Strabon (VII, 3, 17) semble évoquer ce système chez les nomades de son époque : “ Quant aux tentes des nomades, elles sont en feutre et solidement fixées aux chariots dans lesquels ils passent leur vie”. Les camps scythes, “villages sur roues”, devaient avoir la même ordonnance rigoureuse que les camps turcs ou mongols postérieurs. Translation: Quote Most Scythians lived in wagons fitted out as dwellings and in tents, the relationship between the two not being entirely clear. The Pseudo-Hippocrates [On Airs, Waters and Places, XVIII) describes the Scythian chariots in some detail and insists on their role as “houses on wheels”: “They have no fixed dwellings and dwell in carts. The smallest of these carts have four wheels, the others have six; they are closed with felt and built like houses, some have only one bedroom, others have three. They are impenetrable to snow, rain and winds. To these carts are harnessed two or three pairs of polled oxen. In such carts live women, and men go on horseback. Aeschylus [Chained Prometheus) also describes the "nomadic Scythians who dwell in mansions of woven wicker perched on well-wheeled chariots." The most widespread type must have been the four-wheeled one; it is in any case the one whose traces are normally found in Scythian burials. One can imagine, looking at the carpets and fabrics preserved in the “frozen kurgans” of Altai, how comfortable the compartments could be made. If the body of the wagons is hardly known, among the Scythians of Europe, except by the description of Pseudo-Hippocrates and some representations (in particular reduced models - probably children's toys - in terracotta), many wheels were discovered in the tombs, in a state that allows their structure to be restored. Their study gives a high idea of the technical competence of their manufacturers. They were made of wood and measured between 0.80 and 1.20 m in diameter. They had ten to twelve spokes, and a cylindrical or keg-shaped hub tapered at the ends. Some had metal reinforcements, but this is not systematic. We can risk a parallel with the heavy four-wheeled transport carts still used in the 19th century in Ukraine, in particular by the chumaks or salt conveyors who made them themselves but bought the wheels from specialized craftsmen: wooden wheels n were bound with iron only when they began to split; well-made wheels should be able to last ten years without repair. The dwelling wagons were certainly, given their weight, drawn by oxen, hitched by means of a yoke and a drawbar. The noble Scythians possessed a large number of them; a character in one of Lucian of Samosata's Scythian romances (Toxaris, XLVI) boasts of his 80 chariots, and comparison with the better-known medieval or modern nomadic societies, such as the Mongols of the imperial era, suggests that there is nothing implausible about this number. As regards the tents, we have no description of them (one cannot consider as such the allusion of Herodotus, IV, 23, to the felt, supposedly fixed to a tree, under which the distant Argippeans would live: “ Their dwelling place is the foot of a tree, surrounded in winter by a curtain of waterproof white felt, and without this felt in summer". , 73-75) are not dwellings.Among the nomads of the European steppes, the oldest representation of a typically nomadic circular tent (what is improperly called a “yurt” in the West) appears on a fresco in the tomb of Anthesterios in Kerch (Ukraine, Crimea). It dates from the Sarmatian period, and the model must have been known to the late Scythians, if we judge by the traces of settlements of this type found in their settlements (cf. chap. XI) Some archaeologists think that these tents could be mounted on carts, following a practice attested among peoples of the steppe in more recent times. Strabo (VII, 3, 17) seems to evoke this system among the nomads of his time: “As for the tents of the nomads, they are made of felt and firmly attached to the carts in which they spend their lives”. The Scythian camps, “villages on wheels”, were to have the same rigorous order as the later Turkish or Mongol camps. Edited April 9, 2023 by Genava55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 @Stan` c'est fabuleux, si on écrit le mot P E T I T S, la censure détecte ça comme une grossièreté à cause des quatre dernières lettres. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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