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Ok, thanks for clarification

I would be enthusiastic to see a super heavy cavalry unit like the cataphract in game

So auto delete citizen troops and effectively counter champions of any category bar elephants, though you can kite them so GG to them too. My initial reaction to this is depression, its already hard to get citizens to function against champions, now we must fight a health draining champion block? Did I mention walking into someones Eco and watching their Eco die around you, because I would totally do that, and unless the guy is on foot you aren't stopping me either, even with an alarm attached to the health drain, five seconds and a probably decent chunk of your Eco is dead. Then I just march my own army in and you dead by defeat in detail. Granted I have not played with Han so I am simply going off my understanding of Yekaterina's above commentary, but to me this seems like a recipe for disaster.

I am in favour of altering the tower technologies to affect the fortress and increasing the garrison capacity to 40 as suggested elsewhere.

I agree with your point, chapions simply make a fortress obligatory, and that seems counter productive. I like the idea of second rank troops, but that does potentially remove the uniqueness of other civ bonuses that give that, skiritai and roman castrum infantry to give the two primary examples.

Very true. Also something I call building micro, which is were you micro garrisoned troops in and out of buildings to kill strategic objectives like rams.

Agreed, the cost of will to fight is to great to warrant it in most games, I can buy 15 champions with that or get most of the blacksmith upgrades for one type of troop. More often than not I am frustrated at not having a lot of options to defend a fortress or make it impede an enemy advance more than five seconds. I don't mind being forced to adapt, but I also want options to adapt with.

Some of the tower technologies could be tweaked to overlap

Depends on their composition and the competence of the turtler.

A further idea I just had is to utilize the tower upgrades as concepts for upgrades to the fortress, being a more valuable building theoretically there would be more incentive to actually spend the resources on it. Those tower upgrades get zero priority otherwise as I no longer build towers because to me they are now useless resource wasters.

The counter point to ram spam would be catapult spam if they have better accuracy, because then you can wall up and smash any rams that get near the walls, something not currently viable under present circumstances. But since main topic is fortresses and not the entirety of the game, I would suggest maybe technologies that put emphasis fortresses as strong points, maybe technologies granting them higher health, I like the idea of bigger garrison space, maybe some kind of upgrade that puts a catapult on top, stronger resistance to capture. One does not actually have to go the damage route, just make the building harder to knock down quickly

I was strongly oriented toward defense in A23 and have seen the decline in its viability since. you need catapults to properly turtle, which we don't have in a functional form.

Hi, is there a test version of A26 currently available or is it still under construction?

Hi, Romans had the longest range siege in A23 and also the strongest. Particularly their scorpions, great aesthetic and faster setup time, higher damage, and smaller unit template. For all intents and purposes the scorpion felt like a unique Roman unit even if it probably was not created as such.

As an avid bolt shooter user I can point out that the Ptolemies have a bolt shooter almost identical to A23. And its the most useful in the game in my opinion. Rate of fire is far more useful than more damage, they can already one shot most things with just 160 pierce damage. 240 is overkill unless used against elephants, the big elephants die in roughly four shots. An interesting idea, you could make a technology that improves rate of fire for bolt shooters.

If there is sufficient historical reason for Persians to have them then there is no reason to deny them. Whats more in the spirit of 0 AD which as I understand is historical fantasy to a certain degree, in that civs from different ages and areas of the world are all placed in contact with each other, if I as a Persian king decided I wanted an army of mercenary Greeks and had the option, I don't see that as being out of character with the game. It is supposed to be historical what-if

This sounds like a fun idea for unit diversity and encouraging expansion.

We did have champion javalineers in A23 for Persia, Sparta and Athens. They were all clipped for A24.

I have played 0 AD since mid A23. And I personally feel that there has been to much focus on balance and not enough on actual game improvement. Specifically I am referring to things that make civilizations feel and play uniquely. A24 was a net loss of Civ features for something that already felt like a full fledged game with differentiated civs, it just needed a little balancing to ranged siege and slingers and it would be fine. Then further differentiation of civs could have been done to flesh things out. A25 while nice is still just A24, now with a skirmisher meta, extra blacksmith goodies and better pathfinding. I really hope A26 returns some of the sparkle from A23.

Ah ok

Curious question about battalions, if implemented would that mean that the roman maniple checked battle lines are a viable tactic to use? Currently the only why to do that is by control groups. So are battalions essentially the ultimate form of control group?

Interesting idea, the concept to my eye seems inclined to encourage more elite armies and probably use of bolt shooters, and catapults if they ever get returned to usefulness. Which I will say I prefer over the current mass block tactics that pervade everything.

Relating to Bolt shooters, I've noticed they sometimes stop attacking altogether even though they are in a target rich environment, which has lead on at least one occasion to the destruction of my defense network because they are not returning fire at all. Setting them to aggressive seems to fix this but their default setting seems to be buggy and one does not always remember to do this, especially as that leads to other problems like bolters invading enemy bases or moving out of position and compromising critical areas.

I mentioned elsewhere but what about changing the current Legionary Engineers bonus from just a straight catapult attack bonus to rather having legionaries build catapults instead like they do in Delende Est, which is an awesome mechanic, the idea of catapult dropping someone is hilarious. It completes the roman siege inventory of siege walls and fortified camps I think.

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