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Upss ----------- Here are more info and above. http://home.online.no/~joeolavl/viking/vikingshipclasses.htm It is unclear when the first longships were built, but references to longships in the old norse sagas and datings from archaeological ship finds indicate that the first real longships carrying sail were developed in the 10th century. The rudder of the longships remained sidemounted to around 1250 - 1300, when they started to rear mount the rudder instead. After 1300 the danish and norwegian kingdoms became gradually weaker and the expensive longships faded from history. The longships can be divided into these subcategories, according to norwegian maritime historians: Busse The "Busse" was a class of longships with large cargo capacity and a large crew. They were designed for battlecraft to give advantage in war against other ships. They can be regarded as warships. The "Ormen Lange" (The Long Serpent) of king Olav Tryggvason of Norway was such a ship. A "busse" could have a much as 35 pairs of oars and a total length of 50 meters or more. To picture the hull of a busse one can think of it as a prolonged and enlarged version of the Gokstadship, with even taller stern and stem and a dragonhead. This gives the busse an even larger length/width ratio than of the Gokstad ship. Skeide The "Skeide" was also great longships equipped with 20 - 35 pairs of oars. Most likely they had lower gunwhale than the Busse class and lower cargo capacity. Perhaps were they also slimmer and faster. The sagas does not give a clear picture of the differences, but it must have to do with the shape and dimensions in the hull. The Skuldelev longship found in Limfjorden in Denmark could be an example of a skeide. Snekke (snekkja) The "Snekke" was a kind of longship used both at war and for travels. The snekke had probably more charactar of beiing a crew carrier than a pure war ship. My guess is that they had stems and stens of more modest heigth than the more prestigious classes of longships. The Snekke as a term in ship design seem to have been well known both in Scandinavia and in parts of the Baltic Sea. Snorri Sturlason use the term "Vendelsnekke" in some places in one of his sagas. The longship "Tranen" (Trana) of the norwegian king Olav Tryggvason was according to Snorri a snekke. But the king was more impressed by the look and design of the longship "Ormen Skramme" which was built in Salten in northern Norway and at one stage captured by the king. Sud "Sud" were probably not a longship class of its own, but a pars pro toto that appears as a suffix in several ship names in the late Viking age and high Middle ages. Most longships that were called -suðínn probably belonged to the busse class. Serpent - Drakkar - Dragon-ship (Norwegian: "drage" / "drake" or "Orm") In english literature several terms seem to be in use for a looser group of large viking ships. Both the terms serpents and drakkars are frequently used, and seem the be equal to the norwegian terms "drage" (drake) and "orm". Regarding the shape of the hull of a large longship and its flexibility at sea I prefer the term serpent of the two, as "orm" translates into serpent or snake. I believe this comes closest to what such a ship must have looked like in use. The norse word "orm" (old norse "orminum"), must not be confused with or translated into the english word "worm", even though dictionaries can suggest such a translation. The serpents were usually the largest ships in the fleet of a viking king, and were supposed to stand out to symbolize his superior rank. Calling a ship a serpent seem to have been a looser term than using the more restricted terms busse, skeide, snekke and sud. Any of these could also be called a serpent if they were equipped with an animal shaped head in the stem. Usually this head was shaped like a dragons head. Also other animal forms are known from the sagas, for example the ship "Visund" which had a bulls head (a vicent - european buffalo) in its stem. The stern could also have a dragon head or forming a dragons tail. The dragon head was not permanently fixed to the prow, but could usually be taked down for various reasons. The sagas of Snorri Sturlason gives several examples of ships that were called both a "serpent" and one of the subclasses of longships. Among these are "Ormen Lange" (The Long Serpent) which are mentioned both as serpent and busse in different parts of the saga. Merchant ships - "Kaupskip" The vikings had several classes of trading ships, designed for crossing open sea carrying a lot of cargo. These ships were the true "work horses" in the viking age. They can be subdivided into several classes: Karv (karfi) A karv was substantially smaller than the real longships. Usually they were equipped with 13 to 16 pairs of oars. They can have been very versatile and can have been in use both as merchant vessels and at war. Both the Gokstad ship and the Oseberg ship are examples of well preserved ships of this viking ship class. Knarr (knórr) The knarr had a relatively round hull with fewer pairs of oars than the longships. The oars were placed towards each end, leaving the space midships for cargo. The knarr was designed for manoverability, large loading capacity and good sailing abilities offshore. Where Snorre Sturlason tells about "kaupskip" (merchant ships) in his sagas, he probably tells about this kind of ships. The Skuldelev-wreck 1 found in the Roskilde fjord in Denmark was a knarr. It had a deck fore and aft and the cargo room in the middle. It had a high gunwhale, making the ship more seaworthy in rough waters. The ship is regarded as a good example of the kind of knarrs which were used for trading trips within Scandinavia and further south in Europe. One special kind of the knarr was called "Grønlandsknarr" (Greenland) and "Vinlandsknarr" (New Foundland). They were large ships with as much as 35 rooms Byrding The byrding was a smaller vessel primaily used as domestic freight carriers along the coast. Their size was probably 10 - 15 rooms, thus a bit smaller than the karv. They were also able to cross great distances offshore, such as between Norway and Iceland. In the naval armys they could be used for carrying supplies to the crew in the larges boats, such as food and water. Reconstructions have shown that these boats were fast sailers. The word "byrding" has great resemblance with the norwegian suffix "-børing" (not boring!), which is used in far newer ship classes in Norway. E.g. the "fembøring" in north and the "sambøring" from Sunnmøre.

Karvi The difference is the Jarvis is little bit short warship. Los vikingos - Noruega - Guía oficial de viajes - visitnorway.com www.visitnorway.com/es/prensa/ideas-y-datos-de-utilidad/los-vikingos/ Un barco de uso general llamado Karvi podría tener entre 6 y 16 bancos, un Snekkja tenía almenos 20 bancos, y un Skeid tenía más de 30 ... Jarvis have beteween 6 and 16 benches and Snekkja have almost 20 or more benches and the Skeid have 30

We can make by part first I wanna see the render. May be we need open a post task about this one. render for promo..

Hmmm we can add icons to replace main 0A.D logo in each of our mods?

yeah. Dont worry focus on character. wallpaper medium size. Don't worry for that one too.

or an animation.

May be to reinforces the words I suggest add images in spoiler tags maybe.

if you want, yes but if don't but I need search a proper border or create one

The knight ....only make a scene and then we can make some promo for our council I need some visual big impressionist to "sell" the concept of our teams

After Aristeia may can be good Add more other cultures may be from other córners of the World. The new World, Australia and oceanian cultures. Or all wants American Natives are very cool. In Aristeia we recopilate others works based in a single civilizations and merge whole in a same project. That why I'm interested inn kimball and mesoamericans projects even in mythological bring lots of players.

and Olmec project is a single civilization, he wants add a single civ.Aristeia for example and Millenium wants add many. He only wants to be part but don't say anything about his project, he doing alone, like other modders If you don't know for example Oshron have a one about mythology and he may be don't want be part.

he say "I want to be part"

I disagree. We must be open not close the gates to other people do our projects.

We don't forget we finish the emblem but we need a symbol for banners. May be can be other sometimes

Not, is most a Semitic symbol,than a Roman one.

for web designers and to learn javascrip http://www.w3schools.com/ obviusly free My teacher Jamil Rodriguez, show in class this to practice when we were learning html and CSS for desing webpage.

Ok the next in my agenda (Personal organizer) is the Bizantines. ---------- With HD render I need something like this. A human in high HD in order I can use the image in Photoshop to add effects and background. With our mods(Aristeia, Rome, Millenium )

fixed

I put it "al ojo" I mean that tail is not by first dragon I do. Then I find other and reacomodates by my criteria.

ok. That was more easy than do it this way hahaha. Is very hard paint a shield in white. Haha

Podes abrir un tema para tu CIV, si queres. Podes ponerle estos nombres para identificar tu proyecto. (1000 AC) [Civilization] olmeca ó (1000 AC) [Civilisation] olmeca ó (1000 AC) [Civilisation] - olmeca ó (1000 AC) CIVILIZACIÓN - Olmeca a tu gusto.

What faction is that?( in the medieval total war) I forgot do it the last segment of tail. Pd : I'm interest in add HD 3D renders to our media as promotional art.