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Tonto_Icy_Tripod

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  1. So, Alex, you'd describe a running animal as time ? :(

    Nope. But notice how you can't describe what's happening without using time. First it's in one place, and then in another. Without time that'd happen at the same time, which in reality it clearly doesn't.

  2. I don't quite follow the triangle thingie, but that might be cause I can't seem to think straight right now. I'll take another look tomorrow, and if I can't understand it then, I'll blame it all on you :(

    What should I be relying on if not observation? In fact, observation is the only way to conclude anything, so I wouldn't say that's a fault of physics. Maybe I misunderstood you, but even so, I don't think physics is such a bad thing to use to prove stuff. After all this topic is about technological people and God.

    What I'm saying here is that obviously, according to physics, matter cannot be created. Seeing as there is matter, and that must have been created somehow at some point, physics is obviously wrong. My point was simply that, physics is used to describe what we can see, and if we can't in some way see it, we can't describe it. In other words, physics explains the world that we see, but that doesn't mean it can explain what we can't see (aka stuff that happened before people started observing, or before there were people). Hope I made it a bit more clear :(

    Well I think I might agree with you if I understand this right. God is above the laws of physics in the universe, as he is the creator of the universe. And physics then, would not be able to understand or prove some of the things he's done. Creating the universe would be one of these.

    exactly :(

    BTW those two arguements that you likened I don't believe are the same at all. The first you quoted is a more philisopical argument. The second is talking just about matter in the universe. Where did it all come from?

    I think you can interpret it in different ways. The first time I read it (which was what I based my reply on), was that there is always a loss in some way when energy changes form (heat mostly). That way, the two quotes fit quite nicely together methinks :(

    OTOH, reading it again, I think I see it in a different way. That something cannot create something that is greater than itself. I could be misreading it, in which case I'll use the same excuse as not understanding the triangle :P

  3. Wow, nice post eken :( Now I'll try to pick some of it apart :(

    -Motion: Since nothing can move itself, there has to be an "unmoved mover", which brought about motion. (personally I think this is a really strong arguement, I'd like to hear what others think :( )

    The fault here is that you're relying on physics. The fault with physics is that it relies on observation. In other words, just because something hasn't been observed doesn't mean it can't happen. Basically what I'm saying here is that physics obviously can't explain how it all started. Then how you choose to explain it, whether by disproving physics or by claiming there's a god, is entirely up to every individual.

    Descartes (paraphrased): Our idea of a being could not have come from an imperfect source, for the effect cannot be greater than the cause. Thus it must have come from God. (well, I don't exactly understand this one, but alright...)

    This is basically just this argument

    -Matter: A creation supposes a creator. (all creations suppose a creator, but think, where did the matter of the universe come from. I like this arguement too)

    but in other words.

    We all know Pascal's triangle

    Actually..nope. Care to explain?

  4. I missed the game, didn't even know we were playing :D

    I've got no idea what's up with the norwegian team, you've got some great players (solskjaer). With a good coach it'll hopefully get a lot better, which would be fun, since there hasn't been any real competetion in scandinavia the last few years :(

    Now, if only the swedish coaches would understand that the game's about attacking and not defending, I'd start caring again...

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