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For me, I don't believe that there shouldn't be some "reflex-oriented gameplay" or that there shouldn't be any mechanical skill. But inefficient game features for me are just frustrating. I get that for some it's somehow providing dopamine, but I just dislike when not being able to translate my will into actions. There are amazing features in 0AD, like free draw formations and a couple great hotkeys like call to arm, queue action etc... Some feel/felt broken to me. One example is sniping, where you need to make hundreds of clicks just to avoid an army from targeting a hero (see Box Targeting thread) when a proper feature could make it feel sooo much better with a 5 line of code patch. In vanilla UI, you also have no way of knowing if, or which buildings are idle, I don't find this fun as maintaining production in buildings is pretty basic. Add to this a treacherous feature like auto-queue that is totally unreliable and you'll have me find it hard to enjoy a game. If the game doesn't want to introduce these features because some people find these limitations enjoyable, I'm glad that I can still get them in a mod.

But the trees, the berries, the hunt... Can't see unless I replace their meshes and skins with some GUI mod Too much messy grass on the ground... Need GUI mod to clean it up! thats what GUI mods are for. Idk why automation is a part of this. Automation mechanisms will touch simulation so it's not a pure GUI mod anymore

1. Download and unzip this commit: https://github.com/JustusAvramenko/delenda_est/archive/de4709eff52e8ebd8f7359c58b12b0b63f879a8b1.zip 2. Move the delenda-est master file into your mods folder 3. Enable Delenda Est (The one with the VERY long name) and enjoy! (Note - this causes some errors but I haven't noticed any gameplay impact from them)

This is mainly for my wife. For office stuff, I can use my work laptop.

This is not an issue for me at all

@Outis As mentioned, try the Linux Mint XFCE edition on your old laptop. Backup all important data first onto a USB drive or external drive, then install over the Windows 7 partition (wipe everything). You really don't need it if you only use that laptop for playing 0 A.D. Don't try using Endeavour OS, it's not really for total beginners. Once you install Linux Mint, set up Flatpak and install 0 A.D. using Flatpak's repo. That will give you the latest version for cost of a little more HDD space.

Youre very kind indeed. Hmm. Well... Prepare to be mindblown... Im playing with my laptop, Intel Core i7 Q720 1.60 GHz with 2GB RAM, NVIDIA Geaforce GT 335M graphic card. I have half a mind to appropriate my wife's laptop because it runs Windows 10, cannot upgrade to Windows 11, and after Windows 10's end of life, she will not use it. Specs are: Intel Core i5-5200U @2 20 GHz with 8GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 820M graphic card I only play 0 AD with this machine nowadays. Well, as mentioned, I only use this for 0 AD. I keep it disconnected from Internet. I use my work laptop or my wife's laptop in case I need a Windows device for any other task. Why so old? I did not upgrade to Win 8 because Win 7 is great and Win 8 is... well... Win 8. Win 10 was out of question due to the specs as you might have guessed. I took good care of it and it served its purpose until now. I have both, but soon I will have none... because we are having a baby!!! Well, I might want to buy a new laptop for other reasons. As I mentioned, my wife will want a new Windows laptop after Win 10's end of life this October. Also it is when the baby is due, so she will be home without the work laptop and may need a personal laptop more. My laptop is too old now and having other problems like loud fan noise, broken keys, dead battery etc. Another option is to install Linux to my wife's old laptop and use that, but dual operating system won't work because it can't handle Win 11. I have never used Linux, but I am open minded. Would you recommend going with Linux alone? I mean I think Microsoft office programs won't work and that may be a deal breaker...

I would say that if it currently works with win8, it is pure luck.

On paper yes, but no archers and no slingers = you will get sniped and loose all in seconds

Do they? I could just not use them (like the current vanilla autoqueue). So its just as easy to pick up and play. We all agree on that one. But that will always be the case as long as its a strategy game. Because the better strategy thats being executed well will always beat a poor strategy. Or find some likeminded individuals and play with them, that's always fun! Especially if you can speak with them in voicechat while playing. I agree, but not everyone will and not everyone has to. I mean, the problem this thread is trying to discuss is whether the "reflex-oriented" part of the gameplay is so essential that we should try to inhibit modifications that reduce the amount of necessary inputs in any way, is it not? And when two people (or more) have a different opinion on what this game should "focus" on, we need to either talk with each other until we find common ground or decide in one way and risk losing some members of the community. @WiseKind (for example) believes we should not have any "reflex-oriented" gameplay, being able to "click fast" should not matter. @real_tabasco_sauce and I (for example) disagree. But this thread is for discussing why we disagree and bringing forth arguments for our "sides". @WiseKind argues that the challenge should never be a mechanical one, the game should be purely won by strategic decisions (or did I get that wrong?). But my question is... why? The importance of APM has been an aspect of all rts games (I know of) so far, so much so that it has become a core trait of the genre itself. I think most rts players enjoy this aspect of the game. Of course, 0ad does not have to "do the same" as any other rts, it could become the first rts where APM truly doesnt matter. But if you argue for such a strong deviation from the norm (which works very well for other titles of this genre), you have to make a sufficiently strong argument.

replacing the diff file in libraries/source/spidermonkey/patches/ with the one in the link you provided allows the 32bit version of 0ad to build (and run) ok. thanks. (the existing diff file fails to patch properly, whereas the updated one from debian is ok).

there seems to be a problem with rally point for romans. select all barracks, set rally to trees or something. trained units stay idle next to barracks. doesnt happen with other civs

The advantage is that it makes the army very dense. Soldiers dont need to walk that far to help each other, the army can go more easily through narrow passages and your enemy will have difficulties to estimate the numbers correctly. Do Romans really need a buff currently? They look pretty strong to me.

You should try Leif's historical rebalance mod! Link to github attached in video description:

Probably, but I guess what I'm trying to convey more broadly is that using hotkeys shouldn't be necessary to stay "good" at this game. And by that I guess I mean perform military actions. I don't use them, but I'm all for using hotkeys/control groups to select units, buildings, training units/techs when building are selected, building different types of buildings, changing formations, etc. but using them to impact fights to this degree feels like overkill (ha!). A lot of players better than me use hotkeys to do these things, and all the power to them! They're better than me, but I can still hang. I'm not even really a fan of attack-move, but I do use it. I'd rather players pay closer attention to where their units are walking. I guess that is a hotkey I do use? I can see its benefit during big fights, but I don't really find it buggy like @Atrik suggests. I can stay at a pretty similar level to those who are in this conversation right now without using hotkeys, but this box-target thing seems like a different type of hotkey entirely. Is there another hotkey that does anything relatively similar that is already in place beyond attack move?

I have the impression that Atrik might be a bit annoyed by the discussions in other threads about creating a cheat mod. I suggest calling this feature AIMBOT (AIM Box Optimized Targeting), which might (not really) help avoiding such claims for this feature.