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    • New test on this last commit ee1083529d: The commit before this one had identified that elephant deadlock when trying to pass through narrow passages. Two elephants try to pass through the passage at the same time. They have the same strength and resistance, and neither of them stops pushing:     With the latest commit, this no longer happens. They can still take a while to get through sometimes, but they eventually manage to pass. Overall, I think the resolution of these deadlocks has improved significantly:   Here I’m sharing the basic test I’ve been repeating with 24 elephants going through a base with narrow paths with micro: And here I’m sharing some other tests simulating a more or less standard army: This first video shows how the infantry units are able to advance without being significantly blocked by the elephants. The positioning of the elephants at the front is intentional. You can see how they block the entrances, yet the infantry is still able to push through them without major issues.   Here, you can first see me repositioning my army to achieve an optimal formation. The infantry units flow smoothly through the moving elephants without any issues. Secondly, we can see that I send the army to the other side and move an elephant that was about to block others coming toward the passage from another angle, allowing them to get through quickly. Toward the end of the video, you can see me stop the last elephant moving along the upper line to help the infantry get through quickly. This is an interesting situation: even though the infantry units are faster than the elephant, they still aren’t fast enough to simply move around it, so the elephant ends up blocking their path. The solution is simply to stop the elephant for a few seconds.   Another example of the infantry advancing smoothly, even when the elephants get heavily stuck at the various entrances:       My overall impression of this latest commit is very positive. The elephants feel heavy to control but still reasonably fluid. I like that they feel heavy. They’re huge and heavy units. (I’d love to see them charging in side by side, swinging their tusks around and sending soldiers flying through the air. A charge-like ability with a cooldown would probably be OP, though. Sorry for the digression. ) Although less frequently, some of them will still get stuck in narrow passages. However, with a bit of practice, it’s easy to identify which ones need to be moved to clear the elephant jam. And honestly, I think it’s fine that this happens. They are large, heavy units that can easily knock down a building. I think it could even be an exploit to have a unit that can quickly flow through narrow paths while pushing enemy units ( while trampling them ) and reach its destination with a single click. It feels like a pretty reasonable drawback: You want to mass elephants and reach the enemy CC? Do a little micro. In fact, the most natural (and fastest) thing to do would be to destroy a few houses and make your way through. The infantry would probably capture some of the barracks, opening up even more space. As for the movement of mixed armies, it really feels and looks great. I forgot to include a video with cavalry, so I’m not sure if there’s one with the latest adjustments. It’s very, very good. I don’t think the elephant jamming is enough of a reason to block this PR. The improvements this work brings are clearly more valuable. In vanilla, we can see greater fluidity due to the overlapping. But the result is not only unrealistic, it also looks ugly. It’s like a snake of fast-moving pachyderms, so light and nimble that a single infantryman can stop them. In this video, I forgot about the enemy’s initial army, so they rushed in to attack the elephants, who ended up getting completely stuck against just four infantry units.    So, ultimately, I think this is a gameplay decision. From a technical standpoint, I think the issues are already pretty well addressed. Perhaps the only thing still missing is some fine-tuning for ships. And it would be great to test some actual games over the next few days. We can coordinate and play a few 1v1s, and hopefully we can get some 2v2 games in as well.
    • Officer functions   - Helmsman: increases the ship's rotation speed and maneuverability. - Chief of Oarsmen: increases the ship's movement speed. On ships capable of ramming, it also improves ramming damage. - Marine Officer: increases the ship's boarding and capture power. - Commander: determines the ship's command rank and defensive capture capacity, defining its capture points.   The officers would not simply provide generic bonuses. Their importance would depend on the ship's role.   For example, the Chief of Oarsmen would be particularly important on a Ram Ship, while the Commander would be more important for a heavily defended warship.   The Marine Officer could work together with the soldiers garrisoned aboard the ship to determine its ability to capture enemy ships.   This would make naval combat more than a simple exchange of hit points. A ship could lose specific capabilities as its officers are killed or incapacitated:   - Losing the Helmsman reduces rotation speed. - Losing the Chief of Oarsmen reduces movement speed and ramming effectiveness. - Losing the Marine Officer reduces boarding power. - Losing the Commander reduces the ship's defensive capture capacity.   The ship class would determine which special abilities it can use. For example, only ships designed for ramming would deal ramming damage, while a Fire Ship would specialize in incendiary attacks rather than ramming.
    • Selecting didn't seem to work, neither the making a shape. Maybe I just don't understand how they work
    • Throw torches. You forgot.
    • A core crew should be established, and the ship should have captains and all kinds of authorities who can rise through the ranks. This will boost the morale of the Garrison; higher morale means greater resistance to capture. I imagine photos of the crew with their health bar and morale bar in addition to their experience level. - Helmsman: increases the ship's rotation speed and maneuverability. - Chief of Oarsmen: increases the ship's movement speed and improves ramming effectiveness, with ramming damage applying only to ships designed for ramming. - Marine Officer: increases the ship's boarding and capture power. - Commander: determines the ship's command rank and its defensive capture capacity, defining the ship's capture points.   The officers would therefore give each ship different functional capabilities rather than simply adding more crew members. The commander would determine how difficult the ship is to capture, while the Marine Officer would improve its ability to capture enemy ships.   #### The helmsman could make it less likely to be caught with the hook.
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