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I think Sparta and Thebes populations were comparable, but full Spartan citizens were abysmally less. Maybe forget that extra population penalty, and deal with it by limiting more the number of Spartiates as one progresses. Neodamodes units should kind of become a necessity. All this has been proposed already by me and others before me, and aligns well with reality.

Maybe have a look at DE? @wowgetoffyourcellphonehas aura-based formation bonuses such as shield wall for hoplites and massed pikes for Macedonian phalanx.

This looks like a great way to restrict Spartan econony. One question: are Perioikoi completely unlimited?

Love all this! Thank you, keep it coming  Although I guess if it's too much too soon I'll probably miss parts and need to ask again   Not sure about this. What would be great if made correctly: tribal societies have units which are strong when fighting one to one, but no or very little formation bonuses, whereas infantry from city-states, republics etc have better formation bonuses in such a way bigger formations are either equally matched or favor city-states and republics This would be nice, I need to think about if there is a way to do that... We do have a small bonus for Testudo, and Phalanx formations.. even though formations don't really work.  So similar to Greek city states, they could get a dmg bonus, but not have any "formation" bonus... but currently the only civs that have the formation bonuses are hoplite civs for phalanx, a couple other specific champ situations, and roman legionnaires/champ swords for Testudo. @Thalatta yes, the cheaper wooden builds can be restricted... and then mobilization could be one of the other tribal bonuses. Also we keep referring to it as hoplite tradition, but yes I did rename it to hoplite reforms based on your Spartan post. Im playing around with colonies for Sparta, so that could be added to all. Also I am removing the territory influence bonus from CC on phases ups for city states... Sparta doesnt have the theater.. and I could even remove tettirory bonus from theater and give it more of a "moral/efficiency" bonus Sparta's farms are "food" drop sites, so you don't necessarily need to have them next to a "farmstead" My only problem with giving sparta another pop penalty is Im OCD   and if its 10% already, that is 90, 180, 270 etc.... Also shouldn't it really be Thebes that is the smallest?

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