niektb Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 The Ji seems to correspond with the references, the dagger is a bit sharper (smaller and longer) in the reference but I think it is best to keep it this way to keep it visible in bird view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 The Ji are good now. Great job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niektb Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 About Liu Bang: He was born as a farmer's son and led a peasant rebellion, right? That (and some other smaller stuff) gave us actually the idea to train him from the farmstead, give a global farming boost and bonus the attack of basic ranked soldiers nearby him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 About Liu Bang: He was born as a farmer's son and led a peasant rebellion, right? That (and some other smaller stuff) gave us actually the idea to train him from the farmstead, give a global farming boost and bonus the attack of basic ranked soldiers nearby him.Liu Bang can be considered a impoverished noble if you count his great-grandfather, but I get your point. I liked the idea of getting him earlier than other heroes in current release, since economic boost is more important in early game. The problem with training him from the farmstead is that I can't set rally point from farmstead. Maybe move him to the 'house' building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) About Han Dynasty Dragon, I found a uncolored traced picture of the dragon below. Hope that help.Warning: Big Picture Edited October 30, 2014 by wolflance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Whoah, the last one will be perfect with some coulours, is it public domain ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Whoah, the last one will be perfect with some coulours, is it public domain ?As with all Chinese source...it is hard to tell . I can find that tracing on multiple websites, but none cite any source.....it is a line tracing of a 2000 year old mural after all.It's name is 四神云气图, if you want to Google it.Some cleaner photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) A little caution with winged dragons: Apparently, they aren't that common according to Jake Carlson:http://www.jakecarlson.com/2012/12/depictions-of-dragon-in-chinese-art.htmlI found the source of his reference at the Open Library:https://archive.org/stream/cu31924021444728#page/n89/mode/2upI think we can still use winged dragons in ROTE, but there would need to be non-winged dragons used too. If the anachronistic Bixie statues are set up as props, perhaps those can be replaced with more contemporary dragons and Bixie statues.Additionally, the Chinese Wikipedia has the 四神云气图, as I'm sure we're aware. Wikipedia, in theory, only accepts libre media. Since Chinese copyright law is not as transparent/effective as what is expected, I think it's fair to assume that the Wikipedia image, at least, is a fair reference. Edited November 3, 2014 by SDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 A little caution with winged dragons: Apparently, they aren't that common according to Jake Carlson:http://www.jakecarlson.com/2012/12/depictions-of-dragon-in-chinese-art.htmlI found the source of his reference at the Open Library:https://archive.org/stream/cu31924021444728#page/n89/mode/2upI think we can still use winged dragons in ROTE, but there would need to be non-winged dragons used too. If the anachronistic Bixie statues are set up as props, perhaps those can be replaced with more contemporary dragons and Bixie statues.Additionally, the Chinese Wikipedia has the 四神云气图, as I'm sure we're aware. Wikipedia, in theory, only accepts libre media. Since Chinese copyright law is not as transparent/effective as what is expected, I think it's fair to assume that the Wikipedia image, at least, is a fair reference.I am aware that most Chinese dragons are without wings, but I think (not entirely sure) that is after myths and traditions of Chinese dragon more or less settled down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) Cong people Head (Using new units mesh) I had to tweak the nose.EDIT 1 : First Helmet. Edited November 10, 2014 by stanislas69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) A turtle shell shield of the Western Han Dynasty. Left picture is front, right picture is back side.Probably only for ceremonial purpose though.@stanislas69Do you have a clearer picture of that new helmet? From different angle (preferably) Edited November 28, 2014 by wolflance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 This is a Warring States period shield of the Chu State.....not really suitable for a Han Dynasty mod. I just post it here for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) New info abound~The Cong People (a.k.a bald guy) might not be bald after all. The Chinese description on the left side of this pic mentioned hairstyle.The text describe Cong People's facial feature as “long head” "narrow but plumb forehead", "protruded snout", "big cheekbone", "thick lips" , and "narrow chin". The hairstyle of Cong People might look like this. I am not entirely sure this is from the same figure though. Edited December 22, 2014 by wolflance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Also, new pattern for the shield. Color are red-on-black or black-on-red. There are also plain shield colored in (dark) red. Edited December 22, 2014 by wolflance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I suggest red bethe player color. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 I made some changes (Quite a lot actually) can somebody have a look at them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted February 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Haven't been active for a while , due to real life and Lunar new year.Happy Year of the Goat/Sheep/Ibex by the way @stanislas69Are you referring to this picture when you updat the armor? If so, nicely done!I think the texture could be clean up a bit to better match the Han lamellar style. Specifically the 'white dots' on the armor. Edited February 25, 2015 by wolflance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 You mean replacing white dots, by red cloth ? Yes I could do that.If you have time, please check the mod and tell me what you think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 You mean replacing white dots, by red cloth ? Yes I could do that.If you have time, please check the mod and tell me what you think.I mean the ..."dot arrangement" . Dot could be either colour.Normally it would be "one dot top, two dots side-by-side middle, two dots bottom" per plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Is highly needed add champion units soon. I see Alekusu gameplay( units introduction), he have good points in III phase the faction don't have enough units to deserves invest into reach the last phaseAny suggestion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolflance Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Personally I would like to suggest:Two-handed swordsmen (there are many archaeological finds of two-handed Han swords, but sadly no specific textual record of their use that I know of, so I don't know how applicable/historical is this) Spear (or sword) + crossbow hybrid heavy infantryThen again the official "Imperial Guard" unit, the Yu Lin (羽林) and Hu Ben (虎賁) of the Han Dynasty are all mounted, I think there is a WIP Hu Ben model already. Edited February 27, 2015 by wolflance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niektb Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I am actually not so sure about champion soldiers for the Chinese from the gameplay POV. I mean, they have a broad lineup and are able to respond to almost all situations (they nearly always have unit that can make a stand). Combine that with the other civ bonuses (strong farming economy and walls, unique techs) and you already have a strong faction. Give them killer champion units and you have a Chinese supremacy (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Howe do you want the Chinese to play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayakashi Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) The 2 handed swordmen could be for anti-cavalry. There are mentions of the zhanmajian (horse cutting sword) dating back to the Han so the unit can be based off that. Edited February 25, 2015 by Ayakashi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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