[Status] Chinese Art Wishlist (2D, 3D, Animation, Maps/Campaigns)

[Radagast.]

The civilization's design document will be compiled into this wishlist indicating status of progress and priority as well as guiding the way to the topic where the art is being developed (those ==Task threads).

- please post below if there are any things you would love to see. -

Eras/Civilization Variants to Model

• Shang Dynasty (1600..1046BCE), (Bronze Age: Aristeia)
• Qin Dynasty (221..207BCE), 221BCE,
• Han Dynasty (207..220AD), 202BCE, (Ancient: Rise of The East)
• Tang Dynasty [1] (618..907AD), (Medieval: Millennium I: For Honor & Glory.)
• Song Dynasty (960..1279AD), (Medieval: Millennium II: For Church & Wealth)
• Ming Dynasty (1368..1644AD), (Renaissance: Pour l'état. Pour le mérite.).
• Quing Dynasty (1644..1912AD), (Colonial: Imperium, Exploration & Conquer)
• Modern China (1912..1949AD),
• Post-modern China (1945..now),
• Future China (now..end of world).

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(Almost all credit to Rob Kimball & Emjer & Gen Kenobi + Consorts of Scion Development)

3D

Qin/Han Dynasty: [Concepts]

• Sword (Jian) - chin_sword1, chin_sword2
• Spear (Qiāng) - chin_spear
• Axe (Ji) - chin_axe
• Daggeraxe (Gē) - chin_daggeraxe
• Halb (Gē) - chin_halb
• Crossbow (Lián-nǔ) - chin_rcrossbow (Nǔ) - chin_crossbow
• Sabre (Dāo) - chin_sabre
• Bireme (Zhuàng Chuán) - chin_ship_bireme
• Quinquereme (Lǒu Chuán) - chin_ship_quinquereme
• Trireme (Jùn Chuán) - chin_ship_trireme
• Civil center (Shāng Yè Zhōng Xīn) - chin_civic_center
• Storehouse (Cāng Fáng) - chin_storehouse
• House (Wū) - chin_house_a, chin_house_b, chin_house_c, chin_house_d
  Corrections: chin_house_b roof
• Rice (Shuǐ Tián) - chin_plot_rice
• Corral (Shòu Juàn) - chin_corral
• Wall (Yōng) - chin_wall_long, chin_wall_medium, chin_wall_short, chin_wall_gate
• Tower (Dū) - chin_tower, chin_wall_tower_a, chin_wall_tower_l, chin_wall_tower_r
• Dock (/ Bù) - chin_dock
• Rice (/ Shuǐ Tián) - chin_plot_rice
• Barracks (/ Bīng Yíng) - chin_barracks
  roof correction: chin_barracks
• Market (Mào Fáng)- chin_market
• Government Center (Zhǐ Huī Zhōng Xīn) - chin_govt_center
• Temple (Miào Yǔ) - chin_temple
• Fortress (Chéng Bǎo) - chin_fortress
• Infantry Shields (/) - chin_shield_ia, chin_shield_ib, chin_shield_ic, chin_shield_id
• Cavalry Shields (/) - chin_shield_ca, chin_shield_cb
• Hair (Bun) - chin_bun
• Leather Cap - chin_helmet_ib
• Fishing ship (Yú Chuán) - chin_ship_fishing
• Merchant ship (Shāng Chuán) - chin_ship_merchant
• Bamboo
• Ricehat (/) - chin_ricehat
• Fishing raft
• Fishing paddle (needs to be redone)
• Cavalry Helmets - chin_cavhelm1, chin_cavhelm2, chin_cavhelm3, chin_cavhelm4
• Shāng Rén - Camel trader props
• Liu Bang's pretty face (younger years (less fat); basic shape of his head, including nose and beard - check other hero heads in Atlas for guidelines)
• Liu Bang's crown
• Blacksmith (/) - chin_blacksmith

T'ang Dynasty:

• Civil Center [1] - chin_tang_civic_center. (May Han civil center be reused or was the T'ang one distinct enough to be modeled? Could the same be achieved by adding props? )
• Palace
• Yurt
• Confucian Academy
• Alchemist
• T'ang Hero - chin_tang_hero_???.

Navy:

• Sampan (fishing boat)
• Sea Hawk (large fortified rowing ship)
• Paddle ship (small but very fast)
• War Junk (large sailing ship)
• Flamethrower Junk (medium sailing ship)
• Fire ship,
• Tower ship,

Siege:

• Whirlwind Catapult (traction trebuchet),
• Chungzi Nu (triple bowed siege crossbow)

People:

• 和尚/He Sheng/Buddhist Monks
  武僧/Wu Sheng/Warrior Monks
• Grenadiers
• Flamethrower
• Fortress
• Castle

Wonder:

• Great Wild Goose Pagoda
• ...
  

Ming Dynasty:

• Civil Center chin__ming__civil_center
  ...

2D

TEXTURES + ICONS

Qin/Han Dynasty:

• Dāo Fú Shǒu - chin_isw_b, chin_isw_a, chin_isw_e
  Cháng Máo Bīng - chin_isp_b, chin_isp_a, chin_isp_e
  Nú Shǒu - chin_iar_b, chin_iar_a, chin_iar_e
  Shuǐ Tián - farming_rice
  Tú Qí - chin_csp_b chin_csp_a, chin_csp_e
  Nǔ Qí - chin_car_b, chin_car_a, chin_car_e
  Cáo - chin_nc_b, chin_nc_a, chin_nc_e
  Lǒu Chuán - chin_nlc_b, chin_nlc_a, chin_nlc_e
  Jùn Chuán - chin_njc_b, chin_njc_a, chin_njc_e
  Village Structures- chin_struct (Ongoing)
  Chinese Head - chin_head_a, chin_head_b, chin_head_c, chin_head_d
  Shields - chin_prop_shields (~8 infantry variations, 4 cavalry variations)
  Leather Cap & Advanced variations - chin_helmet_ib, chin_helmet_ia, chin_helmet_ie
  Bamboo
  Nǚ - chin_female_citizen
  Rú - chin_healer
  ? - chin_ricehat
  Cavalry Helmets
  Liu Bang body
  Liu Bang Face/Crown
  
  

Tang Dynasty:

• ...
  

Song Dynasty (Han):

• ...

Ming Dynasty:

• ...
  

ICONS

Retake unit icon screenshots (now that we have player color)

Animation

• Crossbow attack
• Lian nu attack
• Fishing animations - paddling and gathering
• Fireship driver "light 'n jump"
• Cavalry archer (Asian reload movement
  / Mongol style
  )

Map/Campaign

• Asia

Ancient / Iron Age

• Qin's War of Unification (230..221BCE) / Han's War of Unification (207..202BCE, first starting in peace, then 205 Han loses against Chu, then they turn the tide and unify China once again in 202)

Modern

• Opium Wars.

Edited May 31, 2014 by Hephaestion

[Lion.Kanzen]

Re load cross how attack now I see.

-Cavalry archer (asían reload)

[Lion.Kanzen]

Now we are up to date again.

Striked through what Scion Development already created.

Is it an animation? I will add it in a moment.

Is kind to reload a bow over a cavalry.

Check minute 12:18

Is an Asian style

[Lion.Kanzen]

Check this, they uses composite bow and open the bow over the shoulders.

[Lion.Kanzen]

The other style is this. For nomads, like Huns. This animation is quickly I don't know if we can do it so quickly or mod

[Lion.Kanzen]

-Blacksmith, same as Aristeia the blacksmith weren't planned because main WFG team don't planned ( Autumn 2013)

[Loki1950]

That is called Mongol style Lion notice that the arrow is also on the wrong side of the bow if you are more familiar with Mediterranean style(drawing with fingers) the string is drawn back with the thumb so there is torsion on the string pushing the arrow against the bow,if it was on the other side the arrow would not stay on the shelf

Enjoy the Choice

[Radagast.]

Incredible, 7 arrows in 17 seconds. That's amazing. Starting from &t=2m01s. Will add the videos as reference (at least with link to be able to link directly into the 2m01s of video 2 where it [the Mongol style?] starts.)

(added the eras/civilization variants to model)

Edited May 21, 2014 by Hephaestion

[Lion.Kanzen]

Add Shang to Aristeia. They was first( outside India) to use elephant into battle .

[Radagast.]

Indeed we didn't have on for the BronzeAge epoch. Thx. We use Shang for that.

[Ayakashi]

I looked through some of the textures and have a couple of minor gripes regarding accuracy and wonder if its worth changing.

Firstly the writings. Currently the characters are in simplified Chinese, which didn't exist until 1956. For the sake of historical accuracy they should be in traditional Characters or more precisely Clerical Script which was the from of writing at the time. They should look like this:

Secondly this is maybe nitpicking a bit but I find the roofs really off. The tiles don't look very Chinese at all.

I'm also not a fan of how doors on houses look, they are shaped just like shields :/

Of course none of the issues will break the game but I just thought to throw it out there.

[Radagast.]

Currently the characters are in simplified Chinese, which didn't exist until 1956. For the sake of historical accuracy they should be in traditional Characters or more precisely Clerical Script which was the from of writing at the time. They should look like this:

Valid point, that's unbearable.

Secondly this is maybe nitpicking a bit but I find the roofs really off. The tiles don't look very Chinese at all.

We can change it if desired, but to what should we change it? I'm a bit lost with that, but historical accuracy is a priority thus I'm willing to resolve the issues.

I'm also not a fan of how doors on houses look, they are shaped just like shields :/

We can change it by time. Once we get into modeling your Tang concepts, we can change the Han Dynasty's houses' doors too if you like. (though we don't have the original source files but it's doable with COLLADA too if we pay attention to prop points - I think I forgot to pay attention for the Aristeia release.)

[Ayakashi]

@Hephaestion

Sorry I forgot to specify for the roof I meant the texture. The roof tiles look all flat and square and Chinese tiles just don't look like that.

for example:

temple/palace/other important buildings

common houses

Also don't mean to be a pain but the sabres on the swordsmen unit looks wrong as well. The current swords they wield are post Ming Dynasty style. During the Han they didn't have curved scimitar shaped swords, they were straight with a single edge like these:

Edited May 27, 2014 by Ayakashi

[Radagast.]

Thanks for the information. That will allow us to fix it.

I always wonder how they manage to build such complicated buildings (though they look interesting).

For textures there we might get to some improvements. If nothing helps, then we add basic geometry for the roof tiles.

[niektb]

I thought the defense tower looked pretty good with its roof tiles?

[Stan`]

What about the houses doors ?

[Ayakashi]

@stanislas69: They are basically shaped exactly like the shields, which makes them look very weird.

Found a nice reference for the gate, we can base it on this charcoal rubbing of a Han wall mural:

The film Red Cliff probably used it too:

Hope that helps!

[Radagast.]

You mean those with the animal head? I think they were only indeed merely an emergency solution.

Those in the foreground look better? Or those of the palace?

[Radagast.]

I care for the roofs and have a new set almost ready.

It'll look like:

The texture will be adapted. Noble structures get the roof you proposed. I already started modelling it.

I'll also bake normal + ao maps.

(Btw. were the roofs of palaces really blue?)

[Lion.Kanzen]

I want see change the color of roof more like Ayakashi and the movie screenshot in his last post style.

Change from green to dark blue.

[Lion.Kanzen]

This helmet is from this dynasty or was Qin?

[niektb]

It should be dark blue then to prevent a player color mismatch

[Stan`]

Fixed the fishing boat, using enrique's row and anims.

[Stan`]

Fixed house b. Gonna commit tonight.

EDIT : Commited version :

Edited July 4, 2014 by stanislas69

[Radagast.]

Updated the mod info file for Rise of The East.

@LeDruide: Has the roof still to be changed or isn't our new roofset rather for the advanced houses + decorated buildings like temples?

@stanislas: You surprised me. That you edited xml and committed art - shows indeed that you are a full artist. Thanks for adding AO maps for the houses. you are not only your own master, but also of me, the old long-bearded.