==[Task]== Ethnic Egyptian Mercenary Camp

[Lion.Kanzen]

I am going to model a more desert version, Egyptian if you want, I am going to use several ideas.

The template will be this.

I will Egyptianize the tower and the walls.

And substitute a tent

Edited April 11, 2023 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

@Stan` I cant open structural/ptol_settlement_palisade.dae in blender

[Lion.Kanzen]

19 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

The template will be this

the settlement camp will serve as a model for the proportions.

[Lion.Kanzen]

24 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

@Stan` I cant open structural/ptol_settlement_palisade.dae in blender

 

I opened it with an old version of Blender.

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

for now I'm looking at how to make those little horns, there are several ways to make that decoration.

[Stan`]

1 hour ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

 

I opened it with an old version of Blender.

Weird, but glad you figured it out. 

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 minute ago, Stan` said:

Weird, but glad you figured it out. 

i used an old version of blender. but very old, i always had it installed and that happens with all the old models.

it happened to me with the Roman civic center.

 

my current version is 2.82  but I was forced to open it on 2.79b

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

32 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

 

for now I'm looking at how to make those little horns, there are several ways to make that decoration.

 

sometimes you have to look at the details in the game and copy them.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I am missing several details, hundreds of details to be exact.

is taking shape.

 

______

it has the basics an egyptian house or neighborhood, where several mercenaries can stay and spend the night drinking and telling about their adventures in the south of egypt.

is a neighborhood tavern, where they tell how their ancestors expelled the Persians of King Cambyses.

and how they now serve under Pharaoh Ptolemy, but with a good sack of coins they could serve the noble Seleucid king Antiochus III.

 

_____

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

5 hours ago, Stan` said:

Weird, but glad you figured it out. 

We need to strip those lines (you know the ones) out of every dae to prevent these issues. A script could do it.

[Stan`]

1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

We need to strip those lines (you know the ones) out of every dae to prevent these issues. A script could do it.

My Blender addon to import assets and their textures does that.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

My Blender addon to import assets and their textures does that.

Yeah, but not every modder is going to find your Blender add-on. It would be a very simple thing to remove those lines from the dae's in the game. 

 

On 11/04/2023 at 4:47 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

This looks like a good direction, but maybe with more wooden-stake stockade along the front and left side. Plus shields, spears, etc. and a prop point for a camel. I think all of the merc camps should have some wooden stockade plus a camel/horse prop in a similar position.

Edited April 12, 2023 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[Stan`]

2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

camel/horse prop in a similar position.

People might complain/be confused about not being able to gather it. It happened before.

 

2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Yeah, but not every modder is going to find your Blender add-on

Maybe, yeah. Removing some lines might break some models so one has to be careful. Fun fact the game actually automatically patches those files.

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

This looks like a good direction, but maybe with more wooden-stake stockade along the front and left side. Plus shields, spears, etc. and a prop point for a camel. I think all of the merc camps should have some wooden stockade plus a camel/horse prop in a similar position.

My only problem with the stockade is that it is not common in this geographic area.

"Both the Greeks and Romans created palisades to protect their military camps. The Roman historian Livy describes the Greek method as being inferior to that of the Romans during the Second Macedonian War. The Greek stakes were too large to be easily carried and were spaced too far apart. This made it easy for enemies to uproot them and create a large enough gap in which to enter. In contrast, the Romans used smaller and easier to carry stakes which were placed closer together, making them more difficult to uproot"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisade

Wood is also scarce in Egypt. That is why I wanted to make a more correct version for Egypt.

 

I think of it between the period of the Cambyses invasion and the Syrian wars (Ptolemies vs. Seleucids).

 

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 minutes ago, Stan` said:

People might complain/be confused about not being able to gather it. It happened before

Explain it (please), how so?

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

4 minutes ago, Stan` said:

People might complain/be confused about not being able to gather it. It happened before.

Might confuse 1 out of 200 players for 30 seconds, meanwhile all merc camps have a recognizable layout and details for 199 out of 200 players.  

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Yeah, but not every modder is going to find your Blender add-on. It would be a very simple thing to remove those lines from the dae's in the game. 

The lines you can see are the props of the original military camp, the other lines are lighting that I put to better visualize.

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 minute ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Might confuse 1 out of 200 players for 30 seconds, meanwhile all merc camps have a recognizable layout and details for 199 out of 200 players.  

Put the camel sitting, do we really have a sitting camel prop?

 

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

I can imagine such a scene.

 

(Even though Bythinia has nothing to do with what is described in this scene).

[Lion.Kanzen]

The type of soldiers that can be found are the following.

 

"There were also companies of Libyans, Nubians, Canaanite and Sherdens (Greeks) who served in the Egyptian army. They were often described as mercenaries but they were most likely impressed prisoners who preferred the life of a soldier instead of slavery".

 

We will remove the Canaanites and add:

  Phoenicians, Carians, and Greeks were used during the Late Period.[28]

 

it seems that there were slingers.

"Late Period, sling bullets were cast. These were preferred to pebbles because of their greater weight which made them more effective.[41] They often bore a mark."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_ancient_Egypt

The Late Egyptian Military

 

Despite an active military record, we know almost nothing about the Late Period Egyptian army. Despite that, there are a few clues and ideas we can gather from the sources. In addition, we also know that historically Egypt was not a military innovator or an early adopter of new technologies and methods. Therefore, there military in the Later Period may not have been substantially different from previous Dynasties or periods.  

The soldiers themselves were probably a mix of professionals, conscripts, and mercenaries. The New Kingdom and transformed much of the military into "professional" soldiers not tied to the land. however, at this point much of the fighting was actually rebellions. Therefore, conscripted soldiers and mercenaries were probably much more common. In earlier periods, troops seemed to be armed as either spearmen, archers, or infantry with personal or hand weapons. Officers were men of standing or status in Egyptian society often with some sort of formal education behind them. I see no reason to think this would change into this Late Period.     

This blog states the following.

Finally, we also know that historically the main fighting arm of the Egyptian army was the Chariot. This was used primarily as a mobile archery platform. However, fighting men in chariots also used the spear as a back-up weapon. There was never a strong emphasis on infantry beyond the archery forces. At this date, it is difficult to determine if the Chariot was still an instrument of war. The Persians, their overlords; and moved largely to cavalry at this point. In addition, most of the battles of the period were revolts against the Persians and therefore probably more infantry oriented affairs. I find it "unlikely" that the Chariot was still a large factor in Egyptian warfare during the Late Period, except as a "command" car for officers and leaders of status.

 

Saite Dynasty

 

The bulk of the troops in the Saite Dynasty will have a core of Drilled Infantry and Archers. These will be backed by Mercenary Peltasts and Warband infantry of conscripts. Finally, I think the Saite Dynasty list will probably still contain a Light Chariot force. 

 

Saite Dynasty Line of Battle

 

0-1 Light Chariots*

 

0-2 Drilled Infantry

 

1+ Archers

 

0-2 Mercenary Peltasts

 

0+ Warband Infantry

 

0-2 Psiloi

 

Chariots

 

The Saite Dynasty Light Chariot will use the same profile as the Light Cavalry with the following special rules. They must have the Bow upgrade in the Saite Dynasty list .

 

Egyptian Revolt Line of Battle

 

0-1 Drilled Hoplite OR Light Hoplites

 

0-2 Drilled Infantry

 

0+ Warband Infantry

 

1+ Archers

 

0-2 Mercenary Peltasts

 

0-2 Psiloi

 

Mendes Dynasty

3 Archers

2 Drilled Infantry- 1 w/Commander

1 Warband Infantry 

2 Psiloi

https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2021/07/men-of-bronze-late-period-egyptians.html?m=1

 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

49 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

The type of soldiers that can be found are the following.

 

"There were also companies of Libyans, Nubians, Canaanite and Sherdens (Greeks) who served in the Egyptian army. They were often described as mercenaries but they were most likely impressed prisoners who preferred the life of a soldier instead of slavery".

 

We will remove the Canaanites and add:

  Phoenicians, Carians, and Greeks were used during the Late Period.[28]

 

it seems that there were slingers.

"Late Period, sling bullets were cast. These were preferred to pebbles because of their greater weight which made them more effective.[41] They often bore a mark."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_ancient_Egypt

The Late Egyptian Military

 

Despite an active military record, we know almost nothing about the Late Period Egyptian army. Despite that, there are a few clues and ideas we can gather from the sources. In addition, we also know that historically Egypt was not a military innovator or an early adopter of new technologies and methods. Therefore, there military in the Later Period may not have been substantially different from previous Dynasties or periods.  

The soldiers themselves were probably a mix of professionals, conscripts, and mercenaries. The New Kingdom and transformed much of the military into "professional" soldiers not tied to the land. however, at this point much of the fighting was actually rebellions. Therefore, conscripted soldiers and mercenaries were probably much more common. In earlier periods, troops seemed to be armed as either spearmen, archers, or infantry with personal or hand weapons. Officers were men of standing or status in Egyptian society often with some sort of formal education behind them. I see no reason to think this would change into this Late Period.     

This blog states the following.

Finally, we also know that historically the main fighting arm of the Egyptian army was the Chariot. This was used primarily as a mobile archery platform. However, fighting men in chariots also used the spear as a back-up weapon. There was never a strong emphasis on infantry beyond the archery forces. At this date, it is difficult to determine if the Chariot was still an instrument of war. The Persians, their overlords; and moved largely to cavalry at this point. In addition, most of the battles of the period were revolts against the Persians and therefore probably more infantry oriented affairs. I find it "unlikely" that the Chariot was still a large factor in Egyptian warfare during the Late Period, except as a "command" car for officers and leaders of status.

 

Saite Dynasty

 

The bulk of the troops in the Saite Dynasty will have a core of Drilled Infantry and Archers. These will be backed by Mercenary Peltasts and Warband infantry of conscripts. Finally, I think the Saite Dynasty list will probably still contain a Light Chariot force. 

 

Saite Dynasty Line of Battle

 

0-1 Light Chariots*

 

0-2 Drilled Infantry

 

1+ Archers

 

0-2 Mercenary Peltasts

 

0+ Warband Infantry

 

0-2 Psiloi

 

Chariots

 

The Saite Dynasty Light Chariot will use the same profile as the Light Cavalry with the following special rules. They must have the Bow upgrade in the Saite Dynasty list .

 

Egyptian Revolt Line of Battle

 

0-1 Drilled Hoplite OR Light Hoplites

 

0-2 Drilled Infantry

 

0+ Warband Infantry

 

1+ Archers

 

0-2 Mercenary Peltasts

 

0-2 Psiloi

 

Mendes Dynasty

3 Archers

2 Drilled Infantry- 1 w/Commander

1 Warband Infantry 

2 Psiloi

https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2021/07/men-of-bronze-late-period-egyptians.html?m=1

 

This is from a wargaming blog.

We would have archers.

A"warband" I assume it refers to Egyptian spear infantry.

maybe Chariots of war.

Lybian mercenaries.

Greek Psiloi

[Lion.Kanzen]

Just now, Lion.Kanzen said:

This is from a wargaming blog.

We would have archers.

A"warband" I assume it refers to Egyptian spear infantry.

maybe Chariots of war.

Lybian mercenaries.

Greek Psiloi

 To what the blog says, we must add camels, Nubian soldiers ( archers), Lybian Phoenician style. 

And Greek heavy infantry (hoplites, Pezhetaroi)

[Lion.Kanzen]

4 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

 To what the blog says, we must add camels, Nubian soldiers ( archers), Lybian Phoenician style. 

And Greek heavy infantry (hoplites, Pezhetaroi)

https://divideetimperamod.com/units-mercenary/

here an idea of the infantry that can be used from Lybia.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I will copy some details made by lordgood.

I'm going to add a palisade but it's optional, I'm going to leave it quite modeable in blend format.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

I - is a space that I will make for a stable or area for horses.

II - is a space for a tent as a prop.

 

as i said before it will be modular. you will be able to move things around as you please.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Lion.Kanzen