AK_Thug AMish
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quacker, quotes from people who had no or little role in writing the constitution are not very valuable. And the Declaration of Independence is also not the foundation of our government... at least to my knowledge it was more of a declaration, declaring independence
(James Madison)We do not stake our future on this Constitution, but to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.
WHERE are the ten commandments in the constitution?? Hold no God before me? where's that? what about not saying God's name in vain? Guess they forgot that too... same with the adultry... no working on Sunday... murder... and capitalism pretty much goes against the last one (don't desire other's stuff)!
Marriage is a fundamentally religious institution, since it is 'sacred' the gov't could never fulfill that unless we are a theocracy, which we are not. So... whats wrong with civil unions for everyone? If you want a marriage go to a church! Then you and God will all be happy, and gays would be able to visit their spouses at hospitals, file joint tax returns, etc. Why does it matter to you, if gays can get the same rights normal couples can? They wouldn't even be married religously, so it doesn't affect your church!
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Marriage is not a right, it is a privilege.
True, but irrelevent. Imagine if the gov't gave $10,000 to everyone who could prove they were Christian (or had brown eyes, or can skat, etc). Would that be equality?
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the founders founded the USA on the Bible and its principles, believing government to only last or be good if it is founded and run as such (I'm currently collecting my info on this to create a new post with ).
well I have to disagree, but I'll wait for your upcoming post to support that
remember I was just referring to other's arguments... but anyways, I think the main points in US politics are, in no paticular order:
[*]Protection of 'normal' marriage
[*]Homosexuality is wrong
[*]'Slippery Slope', ie allowing gay marriage is the first step to allowing incest, polygamy, etc
[*]Religion
none of those reasons really convince me of allowing the gov't to continue to deny equal rights to all citizens. I'll try and refute points if people bring them up, though (so don't jump on me for not supporting my points
)as for the Bible quote, the Sceptic's Annoted Bible put it under the categories of 'Injustice', 'Homosexuality', and 'Intolerence'. Here are some better quotes from Leviticus,
'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.-Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 20:13
-execute all homosexuals
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religion is key to winning any major US office...
Source To tie this back to the topic, it does say something along the lines of 'no religious test shall be given for a public office', although it seems the electorate does this anyways... know any atheists in congress? I don't, but there may be a couple.How influential is…A Candidate’s religious identity?
- In a poll on whether voters thought candidates should publicly discuss their religious beliefs or keep their religious beliefs to themselves, 45% thought candidates should discuss their religious beliefs and 47% said they should keep these values private[13].
- In deciding how to vote for president, 49% of voters said that it is more important that a candidate show a personal commitment to his religious beliefs as opposed to the 17% who require the candidate to share the voter’s values[14]
- Based on a nationwide poll[15], 12% of voters anticipate being affected, both negatively and positively, by the religion of Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman’s (D-Conn.), an observant Jew. Twenty-nine percent of voters forecasted being affected in some way by the religion of President Bush, a born-again Protestant.
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- When 1,019 adults nationwide were asked if they would vote for a “well-qualified” Presidential candidate if the candidate happened to be Catholic or Jewish, five percent and eight percent respectively said no, they would not vote for that candidate[17].
- When candidates for president talk about their personal relationship with Jesus Christ during debates and news interviews 51% of voters said they were more likely to support that person for president. 26% reported to be less likely, 16% had no opinion and 7% said it depends on candidate’s statements[18].
- Nine hundred registered voters were polled on the debate over whether a White House candidate's religion is an obstacle or advantage to getting elected. “If it makes a difference, are you more or less likely to vote for a candidate if the candidate…[19]”
More Likely Less Likely No Difference
Is a Protestant 25% 5% 67%
Is a member of the Christian Coalition 21 24 46
Is Roman Catholic 19 11 67
Is Jewish 14 12 70
Is a Muslim 3 49 44
- 38% of the 2,002 adults surveyed by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press said they would not vote for a well-qualified Muslim for president, compared with 10 percent who said they would not vote for a Jew and 8 percent for a Catholic. The survey also found that 62 percent said President Bush was striking the right balance in how much he mentioned his faith[20].
- In other findings on religion and politics, the poll found that 48 percent of white evangelical Protestants said their religious beliefs frequently affected their voting, compared with 10 percent of white mainline Protestants, 12 percent of white non-Hispanic Catholics and 12 percent of Hispanic Catholics[21].
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hmm tonto, I tried that, but the 'virtual' enter key only works when the actual one does.
I just have a standard keyboard that shipped with the Dell, never had any earlier problems. I have IE version 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp2.030422-1633 (thats a mouth-full). -
Hey everyone I was wondering if I could get some suggestions on fixing an interesting problem of mine... The 'enter' key stopped working. I don't think it has anything to do with the keyboard itself, seeing it physically moves down fine, and rebooting fixes it for awhile. It seems to stop working while in IE, if that means anything. Thanks in advance for help!
My english teacher won't want my essays in one long paragraph! -
I think you have the wrong word there (in bold). Ejaculate, not mater bate. More funny than anything elseIn Dutch, it's called "voor-het-zingen-de-kerk-uit" which means "leaving the church before singing"Practically it means that you have sex the normal way, but the male withdraws before he mas tur bates.
Although abstaining is 100% effective, I think it's a pretty unreasonable goal in today's society...
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well, after going to the debate-ish (more like a town-hall style thing), it seems most people in my community are alright with the concept of civil unions for everyone, which is somewhat suprising, seeing Aurora is pretty conservative on the most part.
The main argument against gay marriage is that being gay is a choice (and a sin, according to one bible-thumper
). However, when I asked that certain person if he could chose to be gay, he said no. Unfortunately the 'US is a Christian Nation' business was brought up again, and I have not yet had the chance to totally bury that issue. Oh well, I'll bring it up pre-emptively next time
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I think what the mayor is doing is called 'civil disobedience'! He's obviously not getting people married just to get married; he is sending a message to the country. Now the state will have to explain why exactly they are taking away their license to all those thousands of couples...
Civil disobedience is a good thing, most of the time.
On a different note:
Under equal protection, the gov't needs a good reason if it denies the rights of some people to other people. ex, murderers obviously don't have the right to the standard 'life , liberty, persuit of happiness' because they are a danger to society. IMO, once you remove religous, and bigoted (not necessarly the same thing) arguments, there is no reason why gays should be treated differently, especially when hetero's have made such a mockery of the institution.
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has everyone here heard about what's going on in San Francisco?
Seems the mayor (Gavon Newsom), just elected, opened the doors this weekend to allow marriage for gay couples. Literally hundreds (2,464 as of now) of gay couples went to the city hall and got married all through the long weekend, and the courts didn't open untill Tuesday. And the courts choose not to make an immediate ruling.
to the western coastAlso, 'gay rights' debate tomorrow at school!
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"Watch for Llamas!"
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ah ha! here's the quote I have been looking for!
Creationism in the sense used in this discussion is still very much a live phenomenon in American culture today — and in other parts of the world, like the Canadian West, to which it has been exported. Popularity does not imply truth. Scientifically Creationism is worthless, philosophically it is confused, and theologically it is blinkered beyond repair. But do not underestimate its social and political power. As we enter the new millennium, thanks to Johnson and his fellows, there are ongoing pressures to introduce non-evolutionary ideas into science curricula, especially into the science curricula of publically funded schools in the United States of America. And things could get a lot worse before they get better, if indeed they will get better. Already, there are members of the United States Supreme Court who have made it clear that they would receive sympathetically calls to push evolution from a preeminent place in science teaching. If future appointments include more justices with like inclinations, we could find that — nearly a century after the Scopes Trial, when the Fundamentalists were perceived as figures of fun — Creationism finally takes its place in the classroom. If this essay persuades even one person to take up the fight against so awful an outcome, then it will have served its purpose.-Conclusion to 'Creationalism' Entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, by Michael Ruse
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We talked about Le Pen in French class a few years back... I'm suprised that 20% of the French voted for him in the primaries (although didn't he lose overwealmingly in the final election?). His anti-immigration policies might appeal to the natives who distrust the massive influx of immigrants who came in during the post-war boom years, when labor was needed.
Klaas, do you think that the younger generation is more or less liberal than the older? In the US it's hard to tell.
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what you are describing quacker is known as 'British Common Law', for which we owe much credit too. It basically makes laws based on the context of the situation, ie asks the question 'What would a reasonable person do in this situation?'. Unfortunately, IMO, we are moving away from that and more into standardized statutes, and have large, immobile bureaucracies that cannot respond to situations or act sensibly because they have to 'follow the law' and not their common sense (EPA, OSHA, FDA, etc). Read 'The death of common sense', a good book, despite being conservative
jkOn a side note to address some issues brought up:
As for school prayer, last time I checked, you can still pray in school. Gov't employee's (ie teachers) cannot indorse any one religion, or atheists like me will feel left out
(actually not really but read on). Plus, would you want your teacher chanting some satanic prayer to students? I think not. It is best to keep church and state separate, and luckily the Constitution supports that.As for the 10 Commandments, I believe they have absolutely nothing to do with our Constitution:
1. Have no other gods before me [the God of the Hebrews].2. Make no images of anything in heaven, earth or the sea, and do not worship or labor for them.
3. Do not vainly use the name of your God [the God of the Hebrews].
4. Do no work on the seventh day of the week.
5. Honor your parents.
6. Do not kill.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not give false testimony against another.
10. Do not desire another's wife or anything that belongs to another.
I do not see how any of those really apply to the foundation of our gov't. An interesting article on a different 10 commandments:
*if the above link doesn't work, try copying this: http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=2
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didn't the romans fall after converting to Christianity? (not trying to be sarcastic, just observing) I don't think religious 'morals' really have much to do with anything, since any set of morals for one religion is relative to any other. But I digress
I think poor leadership, or poor decisions, is the factor behind most downfalls. Examples like Napoleon stretching his armies too far, Hitler attacking two fronts.
The economy also plays a role, such as the downfall of the Soviet Union in the early 90's. As for my beloved USA, I think that these two factors could lead to a downfall, especially if oil prices continue to rise (its a finite resource!). You can only wonder where all the gas comes from to fuel the bazillion SUV's around here (its NE Ohio! we have roads! Why do you need a SUV??). Of course, oil is the Achillis' heal of all of W civilization, since we depend on it so much.
History though is a very complex web of cause-and-effect. One can list hundreds of causes behind the fall of the British Empire if they found the time and resources... everything is so complex. Maybe history repeats itself because of human nature?
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was naughty indeed.
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from a friend of mine who's amish and has red hair, with my initials tagged on the front
Actually online I play as re-horackhty, who I found to be an Egyptian intestine god (I think). Before that I was Le Pisseur, 'The bed-wetter'. agg my enter key isn't working..... -
The Constitution is a kind of manifestation of what most Americans love the most, the glorious 'Revolution', human rights (for just white males at the time, but that has since changed), and freedom. Although it can adapt as a document (amendments), I don't think that it has adapted fast enough in the past century. Just take a look at some of these numbers: http://www.fec.gov/pres96/presmstr.htm (! 1996 elections too! It'll be much much more in 2004)
The campaigning and role of the president, IMO, has changed much in the past century.
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I wish I knew so much about my family
All I know about my father's side is that my grandparents immigrated from soviet-controlled Belarus in the 1950's. Communists captured/killed/sent to Siberia most of my family before that, that's obviously why they left (they worked for the csar, so that's why the communists didn't like them).
On my mother's side though, I know most of my family is German, names like Kramer, Schade, Frienstien, etc. There is even a family castle in Germany, and although it's rather modest and falling apart, it's still a castle
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well I don't think it's the government's job to censor the internet, but it can certainly be a tool to catch criminals (since its so easy to pose as someone else online, cops can hunt down kidnappers, terrorists, etc.) If parents want to monitor their child's internet usage, I have no problem, because its a priviledge, not a right [to use the internet].
From a pragmatic standpoint as well, it would be difficult to shut down sites. Just look at spam e-mail (sorry no stats). Freedom is something that in inherent in the internet, for good or for bad. Of course illegal things such as child porn should be persued... but that isn't 'freedom of speech'. The problems arise when the industry moves overseas (which it probably will, if not already).
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well, 962 is one of the answers, but I bet you're right. I'd be interested in seeing this proof!
On this test though the goal isn't to answer every single question, just 11, so that's why I never started it. I did not, however, score high enough to advance to the next level because of really stupid mistakes
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15 Answers to Creationalist Nonsense - Scientific American
Evo Wiki - Against DI
So there's a start to my mountain
probably should have posted that earlier. I believe most creationalists don't fully understand evolution, so they reject some other strawman. But of course they (YEC's) may just have found the evidence that disproves the theories created by life-long educated scientists around the world (like Dawkins), and that the scientific community is covering it up in a conspiracy to save face...
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the only reason I answered AIM is because everyone else at school uses it. :thumbdown: don't like it much.
And I won't make the switch because I'm a dogmatic Instant messaging Conservative!
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hmm... I need at least one boy, because I am the last male in my family with the ability to pass on the name! You'd think in a country of 300 million there'd be another, but not when you grandparents immigrated
The Us Constitution
in Hall of Intellectuals
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take a visit to Rapture Ready and I think you can see, many Christians like to think of themselves as some 'oppressed minority' even though thats completely false. Where is intolerence for Xianity?? I get two xian TV channels, about 3 xian radio stations, and there are no less than five churches (that I can think of) within ten minutes drive from my house. Also, there are159,030,000 Christian adults in the US, over 75%!
And... the 10 commandments have absolutely nothing to do with the foundation of our government, and thus have absolutely no secular purpose for being displayed in courts, schools, or other public property. If you were Muslim (which is not illegal, at least yet
) would you feel you were getting a fair trial if the 10 Commandments were displayed prominently in a courthouse? And how naive is it to believe that displaying them in a school will actually help deter anyone? 
Yes you can pray and read the Bible (in class too) in school! Teachers, aka gov't employees, cannot endorse any religion.