Philip the Swaggerless
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Tokens worked. Excellent!
Now I am trying to make it so that the Philosopher can only research 1 of 5 available technologies. Do you know if there is a good way to do it? I believe it is possible with nested tech pairs, but it would be annoying for the player to have to sort through 5 different techs. My other idea was to include a modification line in the tech to make it so that once one tech was researched the others would disappear. I tried this:
"value": "Researcher/Entities/_string", "replace": " ",
This didn't work, and is undesirable anyways because it has to apply to all the units that the original technology "affects." The other possibility I thought of was to have negative tech requirements, but I don't know if that is even a thing. What I mean is that the tech cannot be researched of the listed techs are researched. What I tried below didn't work:
"requirements": {
"all": [
{ "tech": " !philosophy_aristotelianism, !philosophy_platonism, !philosophy_stoicism, !philosophy_skepticism" }
](From looking around it seems like "!" negates what comes after it? Did I mention I am nub?)
If you have any good ideas I'd appreciate it again.
Thanks.
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11 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Use "tokens" instead of "replace."
Oh wonderful! I am excited to get home and update it. Thank you
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2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Its just trainer and researcher now.
Okay, I kind of figured it out...
if my modification line says...
"value": "Trainer/Entities/_string", "replace": "units/{civ}/support_philosopher_b",
...it works, but "replace" literally replaces all units in the civic center with the one new unit.. "add" and "append" do not work and give errors. If I replace multiple units ( "units/{civ}/support_philosopher_b units/{civ}/support_female_citizen etc..." ) that's no good because not all civic centers use the same units, and some even have heroes. If someone else knows another word that will simply add my unit without replacing existing ones let me know. Otherwise I can have it be produced from some random building that doesn't produce units...like a field...
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23 minutes ago, hyperion said:
Just some random guesses:
* add doesn't sound right for _string, maybe append or replace
* {civ} might be problematic
* ProductionQueue/Entities/_string was refactored out over the years
Thanks. I tried "append" and "replace," but those didn't work either. I also tried changing the production queue line to the way it appears in the xml files., "ProductionQueue/Trainer/Entities", with append, replace, add, but nothing works. I'm not experienced at this so after the first one didn't work I just tried many things.
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Just now, Gurken Khan said:
I have no idea about the code but maybe adding a team bonus would also be a possibility.
Well, if it is a team bonus it is still technically an aura, so I don't think that would change things. However, I want it to be contingent upon the Athenian player making an academy so I that is why I have it as a structure instead of a team bonus.
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I am trying to implement my above goal by having the Greek Academy structure produce a global aura that affects an allies' CivCentre, allowing it to produce a philosopher. I am using an aura instead of a technology because as far as I know technologies can only benefit the player themselves. Based on my understanding, Auras can implement the tech modifications, such as this:
ProductionQueue/Entities/_string
I interpreted this to mean that I could use an aura to give the structure "CivCentre," for all my allies, the ability to produce a philosopher unit. However, after building the structure containing the aura in-game, philosophers still cannot be produced from an ally's civic center. I don't think it is an issue with the philosopher unit itself because if I just put the unit in the "trainer" of the civic center I can see it, produce it, and research it's tech.
{
"type": "global",
"affects": [ "CivCentre" ],
"affectedPlayers": ["ExclusiveAlly"],
"modifications": [
{ "value": "ProductionQueue/Entities/_string",
"add": "units/{civ}/support_philosopher_b.xml"
}
],
"auraDescription" : "Allies can create a Philosopher to research Greek philosophies",
"auraName": "Greek Philosophy"
}Is this supposed to work? If so what am I doing wrong? I don't get any errors, it just never appears. I have also tried using "replace" instead of "add" above. Below is my code for the unit.
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Spoiler<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Entity parent="template_unit_support">
<Cost>
<BuildTime>15</BuildTime>
<Resources>
<food>50</food>
</Resources>
</Cost>
<ProductionQueue/>
<Researcher>
<Technologies datatype="tokens">
philosophy_aristotelianism
</Technologies>
</Researcher>
<Health>
<Max>85</Max>
</Health>
<Identity>
<Classes datatype="tokens">Philosopher -ConquestCritical</Classes>
<VisibleClasses datatype="tokens">Philosopher</VisibleClasses>
<GenericName>Philosopher</GenericName>
<SelectionGroupName>template_unit_support_philosopher</SelectionGroupName>
<Rank>Basic</Rank>
<Tooltip>Allows the research of 1 of 5 technologies. Stand near a Greek Academy for a 20% discount of time and resource cost.</Tooltip>
</Identity>
<Loot>
<xp>8</xp>
<food>25</food>
</Loot>
<Promotion>
<RequiredXp>150</RequiredXp>
</Promotion>
<Selectable>
<Overlay>
<Texture>
<MainTexture>128x128/plus.png</MainTexture>
<MainTextureMask>128x128/plus_mask.png</MainTextureMask>
</Texture>
</Overlay>
</Selectable>
<Sound>
<SoundGroups>
<trained>interface/alarm/alarm_create_priest.xml</trained>
</SoundGroups>
</Sound>
<Vision>
<Range>30</Range>
</Vision>
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I assume this is impossible, but I'm checking just in case.
Can one make a building that allies can select and research a technology that will apply only to them? And separate allies can also select the same building and research the same or a different technology for themselves?
My idea is I want to give the Athenians an academy of philosophy that allows allies to research special technologies.
Alternatively, I think I could implement this by having the academy of philosophy give an aura to allies that allows them to build a building or produce a philosopher that can research a technology. (This is possible, right?) If I do this, I worry that I'll have to have extra GUI icons in the panels for building structures or for producing the unit in the building that would produce the unit that would not be applicable must of the time, since they could only be made when there is an Athenian ally. (Is that correct? )
So I think it would be neater if there could be just one building in the Athenian player's territory that allies could research from.
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Oh! The Macedonian market is still exploitable due to their barter bonus.
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The idea makes sense. A hot key similar to the go-to-last-attacked-alert could also go along with it.
A general comment on sound notifications and cool downs. We often operate as though unless a sound effect has played we are not under attack. Sometimes we come under attack but no sound effect has played and we are upset to see the damage we have suffered. (Is this because of cool-downs? What are the other conditions?)
Having the outpost make a noise, especially inconsistently, might similarly frustrate players by habituating them to expect alert sounds.
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7 hours ago, Freagarach said:
I was wondering that too yesterday, but the "affectedPlayers" is not used for garrisoned-auras. That might or might not be called a bug. At least it is a feature that is worth implementing. -> Would you like to create a ticket on trac.wildfiregames.com for it, please?
I see. Okay, I will create a ticket when I get the email to reset my password. I forgot it already lol
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Just when I thought I had it...
I am trying to make it so that only allies can benefit from the cart garrison aura, not yourself. Is it the case that type garrison auras affect the garrisoned building regardless of the "affectedPlayers" line? I thougtht "ExclusiveAlly" would mean only my ally gets the bonus but I don't. I even tried changing it to just "Enemy" and it still gave the discount myself to my ally.
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7 hours ago, Freagarach said:
Yes, but your template also has the Healer class as being able to garrison. Now, healers have both the Healer and the Support class. You if you would only specify the Support class, healers still can garrison. So it becomes: "Infantry Support".
Ah, now I get it, lol.
7 hours ago, Freagarach said:If you take a look at the Identity-node in template_structure_military_forge.xml one can see that there are classes defined. It should work when you use the "Forge" class as opposed to "forge".
Oh yes, there it is under "visible classes." Nice, thank you.
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Okay, I realized my error. I had the directory wrong for the location of the aura file in my cart unit template code. I've fixed that. I can now produce the cart in-game and garrison it into an ally's forge. However, there is no discount from the aura I made. I'm pretty sure it is because I just typed "forge" in it's "affects line."
"affects": [ "forge" ],
Having looked at the components page that @Langbart so kindly linked, I see that "affects" requires a class. So I need a class that will designate all forges but no other structure. How do I achieve that? Can I create a class?
18 hours ago, Freagarach said:Correct (one can leave out the Healer class, since healers also have the Support class).
Actually, prior to adding "Support", I was not able to garrison a woman into the forge. Women have the Support class. After adding the Support class to the forge template I can now garrison women. So I reasoned that because I made the cart as a Support class unit I would need to include that in the garrison part of the forge template.
11 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:@Philip the SwaggerlessI have no idea, but maybe the Mauryan teacher can teach you something, if you can find out what he is doing in the forge. Good luck!
Yes, he was my cheat sheet.
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Hello,
I am just getting into modding and have looked at the wiki tutorials. I am modding SVN.
Now, I am running into trouble in getting a unit to be produced from the gaul forge. My intention is to make the Gaul forge produce a unit that can garrison in ally forges and give them a resource and research time discount. I created the following directories in my new mod folder:
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simulation/templates/units/gaul/
- gaul_armorer_cart.xml
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simulation/templates/structures/gaul
- forge.xml
- simulation/data/auras
I wasn't sure if it was necessary, but I also included the "parent" units in the mod folder directories as well. (Do I need to do that?) So in the templates folder I have:
- gaul/forge.xml Parents: template_structure.xml,template_structure_military.xml, template_structure_military_forge.xml
- units/gaul/gaul_armorer_cart.xml Parents: template_unit.xml, template_unit_support.xml
Besides creating the structure, unit, and aura, I also edited template_structure_military.xml to allow for garrison of Support units, as that is what my new unit is. That worked fine because I can garrison a woman in there now.
When I play as Gauls and click on the forge, there are no options to do anything and I get a bunch of errors:
GetTemplateData@gui/session/session.js:233:25
setupButton@gui/session/selectionpanels.js:984:33
setupUnitPanel@gui/session/unit_commands.js94:35
updateUnitCommands@gui/session/unit_commands.js:152:18
updateSelectionDetails@gui/session/selection_details.js:537:20
updateGUIObjects@gui/session/session.js:730:2
onSimulationUpdate@gui/session/session.js:680:2
__eventhandler54 (SimulationUpdate)@session SimulationUpdate1.1
Error calling component script function ScriptCall
Errors executing script event "SimulationUdate"
JavaScript error: gui/session/session.js:225:34
I looked at the JavaScript files but am way out of my depth in terms of knowing what to do about it.
For the unit, I intended on just using the trade cart icon and visual actor, without changing them.
- Do I need to make directories for the trade cart icon and visual actor and put them in my new mod folder if I am not adjusting any of their values?
- Is there something else I need to do to make my unit appear in the gaul forge to make it producible?
Below is my code:
forge.xml
Spoiler<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Entity parent="template_structure_military_forge">
<Identity>
<Civ>gaul</Civ>
<SpecificName>Gobanion</SpecificName>
</Identity>
<ProductionQueue/>
<Trainer>
<BatchTimeModifier>0.8</BatchTimeModifier>
<Entities datatype="tokens">
units/gaul/gaul_armorer_cart |Update. I corrected this from "units/gaul_armorer_cart" to indicate that the file is found in the gaul folder under units.|
</Entities>
</Trainer>
<VisualActor>
<Actor>structures/gauls/blacksmith.xml</Actor>
</VisualActor>
</Entity>gaul_armorer_cart.json (aura)
Spoiler{
"affectedPlayers": ["ExclusiveMutualAlly"],
"affects": [ "forge" ],
"auraDescription": "When garrisoned in an ally's forge, the Structure's technologies have −40% resource cost and −60% research time.",
"auraName": "Products from Gaul",
"modifications": [
{
"value": "Researcher/TechCostMultiplier/food",
"multiply": 0.6
},
{
"value": "Researcher/TechCostMultiplier/wood",
"multiply": 0.6
},
{
"value": "Researcher/TechCostMultiplier/stone",
"multiply": 0.6
},
{
"value": "Researcher/TechCostMultiplier/metal",
"multiply": 0.6
},
{
"value": "Researcher/TechCostMultiplier/time",
"multiply": 0.4
}
],
"overlayIcon": "art/textures/ui/session/auras/build_bonus.png",
"type": "garrison"
}template_structure_military_forge.xml
Spoiler<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Entity parent="template_structure_military">
<Cost>
<BuildTime>120</BuildTime>
<Resources>
<wood>200</wood>
</Resources>
</Cost>
<Footprint>
<Square width="22.0" depth="22.0"/>
<Height>12.0</Height>
</Footprint>
<GarrisonHolder>
<Max>1</Max>
<List datatype="tokens">Infantry Healer Support</List>
</GarrisonHolder>
<Health>
<Max>2000</Max>
<SpawnEntityOnDeath>decay|rubble/rubble_stone_4x4</SpawnEntityOnDeath>
</Health>
<Identity>
<GenericName>Forge</GenericName>
<SelectionGroupName>template_structure_military_forge</SelectionGroupName>
<Tooltip>Research attack damage and damage resistance technologies.</Tooltip>
<Classes datatype="tokens">-ConquestCritical</Classes>
<VisibleClasses datatype="tokens">Town Forge</VisibleClasses>
<Icon>structures/blacksmith.png</Icon>
<RequiredTechnology>phase_town</RequiredTechnology>
</Identity>
<Loot>
<wood>40</wood>
</Loot>
<Obstruction>
<Static width="17.0" depth="17.0"/>
</Obstruction>
<ProductionQueue/>
<Researcher>
<Technologies datatype="tokens">
soldier_attack_melee_01
soldier_attack_melee_02
soldier_attack_melee_03
soldier_attack_melee_03_variant
soldier_attack_ranged_01
soldier_attack_ranged_02
soldier_attack_ranged_03
soldier_resistance_hack_01
soldier_resistance_hack_02
soldier_resistance_hack_03
soldier_resistance_pierce_01
soldier_resistance_pierce_02
soldier_resistance_pierce_03
archer_attack_spread
</Technologies>
</Researcher>
<Sound>
<SoundGroups>
<select>interface/select/building/sel_forge.xml</select>
<constructed>interface/complete/building/complete_forge.xml</constructed>
</SoundGroups>
</Sound>
<TerritoryInfluence>
<Radius>38</Radius>
<Weight>30000</Weight>
</TerritoryInfluence>
<Vision>
<Range>32</Range>
</Vision>
<VisualActor>
<FoundationActor>structures/fndn_5x5.xml</FoundationActor>
</VisualActor>
</Entity>
gaul_armorer_cart.xmlSpoiler<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Entity parent="template_unit_support">
<Footprint replace="">
<Square width="3" depth="6"/>
<Height>4</Height>
</Footprint>
<Auras datatype="tokens">
units/gaul_armorer_cart
</Auras>
<Cost>
<BuildTime>15</BuildTime>
<Resources>
<food>50</food>
<wood>100</wood>
<metal>300</metal>
</Resources>
</Cost>
<Health>
<Max>100</Max>
</Health>
<Identity>
<Civ>gaul</Civ>
<Classes datatype="tokens">-ConquestCritical</Classes>
<GenericName>Armorer</GenericName>
<SpecificName>TBD</SpecificName>
<SelectionGroupName>gaul_armorer_cart</SelectionGroupName>
<Icon>units/celt_support_trader.png</Icon>
<Tooltip>Garrison in an ally's forge to give them a discount.</Tooltip>
</Identity>
<VisualActor>
<Actor>units/celts/trader.xml</Actor>
</VisualActor>
<Loot>
<xp>10</xp>
<food>10</food>
<metal>100</metal>
</Loot>
<Position>
<Anchor>pitch</Anchor>
</Position>
<Selectable>
<Overlay>
<Texture>
<MainTexture>128x256/ellipse.png</MainTexture>
<MainTextureMask>128x256/ellipse_mask.png</MainTextureMask>
</Texture>
</Overlay>
</Selectable>
<Sound>
<SoundGroups>
<order_trade>voice/{lang}/civ/civ_{phenotype}_trade.xml</order_trade>
<trained>interface/alarm/alarm_create_worker.xml</trained>
</SoundGroups>
</Sound>
<UnitAI>
<CanGuard>false</CanGuard>
<CanPatrol>false</CanPatrol>
<Formations disable=""/>
</UnitAI>
<Vision>
<Range>60</Range>
</Vision>
</Entity>Thank you so much for taking the time.
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31 minutes ago, Stan` said:
It's builtin but unused.
Was it used for all ranged units or only siege? If it was used for all units, was it removed by popular demand?
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This is a game where, for the most part, melee units have the "tank" role and ranged units have the "dps" role.
Pikemen are incredible, as they should be, but for the wrong reason. They should excel against melee units in pure melee battles. But because ranged units do the majority of damage, making them tanky is how the game shows them to be powerful melee units.
I think what makes getting good balance difficult between ranged and melee units in RTS games is the fact that ranged units are always doing damage to the enemy whenever they are in range (even through walls, and buildings, losing no accuracy), whereas the melee units only deal damage once they reach the target. In an actual battle this could not be (at least not to this extent) because ranged units would risk hitting their own allies.
Would it be possible to add friendly- fire, not just for bolt shooters, but for archers, slingers, javelineers and crossbows?
I would like to see friendly-fire in the game, but have units by default not fire if they may hit a friendly. However, you could change the behavior of units in-game to make them fire even if friendly fire might happen.
I don't know how this would be achieved technically. It is my understanding that accuracy is not based on trajectory but on probability. Could you make it so that all units within 1 (or 2) meter(s) of the target have a probability of being hit? And if one unit is closer to the shooter, that unit has the highest probability of being hit?
Then perhaps there could be accuracy upgrades, including tech and rank, that allow them to take more safe-shots. Champions and heroes of course would have the best accuracy.
Would this destroy computer performance?
This would radically change the game and a lot of re-balancing would have to be done I'm sure. But it could make balancing simpler in the long run.
Battlefield positioning would become very important. Melee units would become more prominent (I think.)
What do you think? Is it possible? Would you like to see it?
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On 05/01/2022 at 2:06 AM, Feldfeld said:
- Significantly reduce pierce armor of citizen soldier pikemen, up to e.g. 3
- Increase pikemen DPS to be at the level of sword and spear CS
- (maybe, not sure) Reduce hack armor of citizen soldier pikemen to 8
- Give macedonians a pierce armor civ bonus for their citizen soldier pikemen, something like +2 (it could be a tech)
- Champion pikemen have the specificity of having their pierce armor greatly improved (compared to other champions), but their other stats not so much.You gave a lot to think about. I will try to respond:
These changes will make pikemen better at pure melee battles than other melee soldiers, because they will have the same damage output, but greater hack defense and attack range. Good.
But then why change their role back to meatshields as champions?
Other points mentioned:
- Reduce ranged units damage
- Do not change damage of defensive buildings (actually not obvious, maybe would require more thinking)
- Remove HP bonus from promotion
- Give ranged units a reload time bonus from promotion
- Consider making promotion easier (less experience needed)
- Nerf melee champions (they would surely be OP after these previous changes)Reducing range unit damage will be an overall buff to melee units. So the melee fight will be more important compared to present. As the battle goes on and ranged units rank up, their DPS will increase with a faster fire rate. Melee units, which are less likely to rank up since they take almost all damage, being the target of both melee units and ranged units, will not gain HP even when they do rank up. (Will they only gain defense, then?)
So it seems like the battles will begin with melee units having more importance relative to now, but then end up having similar importance compared to now as ranged units rank up? I guess I don't understand the purpose of this fully.
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5 hours ago, LetswaveaBook said:
I don't know if the engine easily allows for your suggestion. What would be very possible is to allow the gallic player to create a wagon unit at the forge which can garrison in forges and function a bit like the Mauryan healer hero, with adjusted stats. In delenda est, there is a possibilty to let carts unpack into buidings. Maybe another idea would be that gauls can produce a cart and unpack it in allied territory and donate a "special" forge with lower upgrade costs to their allies. The cart and the special forge would be capturable by your opponents.
I like those suggestions. My initial suggestion about teammates getting all the upgrades if it makes it to the CC was too "all-or-nothing."
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On 01/01/2022 at 8:57 AM, Yekaterina said:
I am afraid I don't agree with this, as it discourages helping your teammates.
14 hours ago, faction02 said:I have some doubts about making resources transfers costly.
If a player, has more economic upgrades but he could still invest in his economy (because he has more upgrades to research or he is not max pop), then, since growth is an exponential process, sending resources is often costly already (in terms of slowing down your own growth). I am not sure that making resources transfer more costly will improve tg since this form of cooperation would then be discouraged.
(Redirected from https://wildfiregames.com/forum/topic/72727-teamwork-team-bonus-concept/)
I think people would still help teammates with resources, it just wouldn't be as strong of a bailout.
For example, let's say we decided on a 10% donation fee. A player has a "strong" economy, generating 400 food in 20 seconds. He has a teammate whose farms got raided, losing units and farming time, and his production of new units is even disrupted. It will now take him over a minute to generate 360 food. Isn't it more impactful to the player with weak economy to be gifted 360 food than it is negatively impactful to the player with the strong economy to lose 400 food? It's still the right choice, isn't it? It's just less strong.
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21 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:
@Philip the Swaggerless This sounds interesting, but I think I feel like it might get a little frustrating if we dont know what to expect from our strategies (will team do this or nah?)
This will be a challenge, especially for less experienced players and those who do not understand English or the common language well. But I think ultimately it would be for the best.
Even as it is now, at least in the higher level games there is typically a discussion of strategy in in game chat involving location of enemies, "you boom," "I'll rush," "I'll spam merc cav and destroy all!, etc...
14 hours ago, faction02 said:I have some doubts about making resources transfers costly.
If a player, has more economic upgrades but he could still invest in his economy (because he has more upgrades to research or he is not max pop), then, since growth is an exponential process, sending resources is often costly already (in terms of slowing down your own growth). I am not sure that making resources transfer more costly will improve tg since this form of cooperation would then be discouraged.
Just to make sure I understand every parts of your reasoning, wouldn't this risk to make ptolemies overly strong in 1vs1? Also the ptolemies players would probably slow down his growth by slinging food to other players. Wouldn't he be better off by booming extremely fast or spamming camels thanks to that bonus to steamroll civilization that do not have that kind of economic bonus? No transfer fee is not a real incentive to send resources to other players.
But rethinking team bonus concept is a good idea.
Per Let'swaveabook's point, I will respond about tribute fees in the other topic page. https://wildfiregames.com/forum/topic/66538-tribute-fees-and-related-ptol-team-bonus-nerf-and-persian-civ-buff/
About Ptol becoming stronger in 1 v 1's I definitely want to avoid that because I think they are already OP. The farming bonus instead of the food trickle would help their mid and late game, but make them less strong against early rushes. I think that might be okay, but there are other methods to have their team bonus require team work. But for comparison, with all farm upgrades they would have a total 75% in farm rate bonuses. This is the same as what the Han Chinese will have, and a little higher than the Gauls.
An alternate method to have their bonus use teamwork would be to have a P1 building (granary?) that generates donate-only food over time. The donate-only food cannot be used by the Ptolemy player, it can only be donated to others. If the building is captured while some of the donate-only food has still not been donated, the capturer gets it into his stockpile! It could be:
100 donate-only food per minute in P1
200 donate-only food per minute in P2
300 donate-only food per minute in P3
Or, there can be researchable upgrades within the granary to boost the donate-only generation rate.
Or, the donate-only food generation can be calculated in real time as a percentage of the actual amount of food the Ptol player obtains from farms. I like this option the best because it requires that the Ptol player actually have the farms that are supposed to be making the food.
I like this granary building idea better because then Ptolemies can be nerfed by losing food trickle (or the proposed innate farm rate buff) bonus. Also, the granary may be a strategic building for enemy players to destroy.
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I tried the Han Chinese on the SVN version and was impressed by the implementation of ministers. It made the game feel a little immersive. It makes me think that if we are more creative with our team bonuses we can have a more unique and fun game.
Many of the team bonuses are just innate buffs or bonuses added to your civilization because another player happens to be a certain civilization. If your teammate is Ptolemies, you get an automatic food trickle. If your teammate is Iberians, your skirmishers are automatically cheaper, and so forth. You can actually choose to play very similarly to a 1 v 1 game and still get a special bonus.
What I am envisioning is a Team Bonus concept where to benefit from the Team Bonus, you actually have to do some teamwork. The Carth bonus already requires teamwork. You have to actually create and send traders to benefit. The rest of the bonuses do not require any teamwork to benefit from.
If teamwork is required to achieve a worthwhile benefit this will add character to the civilizations, and even mini-objectives to achieve advantages. Below I've put a few ideas, exact values for the bonuses can be debated later.
Athenians
Current Bonus: Delian League. Warships -25% Construction Time
New Bonus Idea: Greek Philosophy.
Athenians can build a "Greek Academy" that will give themselves and allies -50% research time for Civic technologies. Further, once the Academy is standing:
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The Athenian player themselves can train 1 of 5 Philosophers from the academy. Philosophers give a benefit to the player for the duration of their life and only one can exist at a time:
- Platonic - Non-military technologies -5% cost. Plato may be most known for his theory of Universals.
- Aristotelian - All technologies -20% Research Time. Aristotle, one of the most influential philosophers, gave an essential contribution to the development of logic, especially syllogism.
- Stoic - Non-mercenary humans immune to debuffs and negative status effects. Stoics sought independence from their needs. (I have not worked out how to make them immune to debuffs. I think functionality to add a class to units already having a given class would be needed.)
- Epicurean - All humans +10% food cost, +1.0 idle health regeneration rate. The life worth being lived is spent seeking pleasure.
- Skeptic - Non-military technologies -15% cost, but +25% research time. There is nothing that cannot be doubted, including the fact that everything can be doubted.
- The Teammates of the Athenian player can create a Student of Philosophy. The Student of Philosophy can can research 1 of the above 5 bonuses, and it will be in effect for the duration of their life. Once a bonus has been researched, no further Students of Philosophy can be created. The cost to research is expensive, 500 food & 500 wood and takes 200 seconds, but if the Student of Philosophy stands next to the Greek Academy the cost is reduced by 90%. (50 food, 50 wood, 20 seconds)
Romans
Current Bonus: "Conscription." Citizen Infantry -10% faster. You could change it by having only the Romans themselves keep a 10% train speed bonus, but allow them to build special infantry production buildings in allied territory which train units an additional 10% faster. Maybe there would need to be a limit on the amount of buildings placed in allied territory.
This allows this team to have fast reinforcements from the Roman player for staging attacks or defending from them.
Gauls
Current Bonus: "Products from Gaul." Forges -15% research cost and research time. This could become a teamwork bonus if you give the Gauls a special forge factory/export building besides their forge. Once they have researched a technology for themselves in their forge, they can unlock that technology in the factory/export building for their allies instantly at -50% cost. The GUI for that building could look like the current one with it's images, but with extra rows designating each teammate:
ALLY 1 [MELEE ATK] [RANGE ATK] [HACK DEF] [PIERCE DEF]
ALLY 2 [MELEE ATK] [RANGE ATK] [HACK DEF] [PIERCE DEF]
ALLY 3 [MELEE ATK] [RANGE ATK] [HACK DEF] [PIERCE DEF]
etc...
Since Gauls do not have archer accuracy and crossbows upgrades, nor the Wootz/Toledo Steel upgrade, they cannot unlock those for others.
2 Alternate Implementations (Thanks to @LetswaveaBook)
The Gaul's current forge could produce a delivery unit that looks like a large wagon. If that delivery unit can successfully garrison in an allied blacksmith it allows the allied player to research blacksmith techs at a lower cost, similar to the Mauryan healer. But it would be a deeper discount than the Mauryan hero gives since it only applies to the blacksmith.
Another idea would be that Gauls can produce a cart and unpack it in allied territory and donate a "special" forge with lower upgrade costs to their allies. The cart and the special forge would be capturable by your opponents.
Either way, if the Gaul team is able to take advantage of it, they would get upgrades at a great overall savings for the team. However, if the Gaul team do not individually get forge upgrades because they are waiting on the Gaul player to receive them, the enemy team could gain an advantage by destroying the Gaul export building/delivery unit.
Carthaginians
Current bonus: "Trademasters" +10% International Trade Bonus. I would take it further make it so you only get the bonus when trading with the Carth player, but increase the bonus to 20% due to this limitation.
Persians
Current Bonus: "The Royal Road" 15% Land Traders bonus. I have 2 ideas for the Persians. Similar to Carth above, you could make it +25% bonus when Land trading with a Persian player only.
My other idea needs some background explanation. First of all and generally speaking, it is my opinion that there should be a fee for donating resources to other players, 10% maybe. So if you spend 100 food to donate to an ally, they only receive 90, and the other 10 is lost. If that were to be implemented, a bonus for the Persian player could be that when an ally makes a contribution, the 10% fee goes directly to the Persian player's stockpile. If there is more than 1 Persian on a team it is divided equally between the Persian teammates so that it can not generate extra resources.
(By the way, I see Han Chinese are being given a 20% international trade bonus, which is higher than the both the Carth and Persian current team bonuses. If it were implemented in this teamwork scheme at a higher value than Persia and Carth, it would justify an additional bonus for Persia like the one I've described above, and a different one for Carth.)
Ptolemies
Current Bonus: "Breadbasket of the Mediterranean." +1.0 Food trickle rate.
NEW IDEA: Instead of this, a bonus using teamwork would be to let Ptolemies build a P1 building (granary?) that generates donate-only food. The donate-only food cannot be used by the Ptolemies player, it can only be donated to others. The donate-only food generation could be calculated in real time as a percentage of the actual amount of food the Ptolemies player obtains from farms. The Ptolemies player receives into his stockpile the full amount of food he farms, and besides that donate-only food amounting to, for example 10% of what he farms is available to donate to allies.
I like this granary building idea better because then Ptolemies can be nerfed by losing food trickle. Also, the granary can be a strategic building for enemy players to destroy.
SpoilerOLD IDEA: If the above mentioned "fee for donating resources" mentioned above under Persians, were to be implemented, I would change this to give Ptolemies an powerful innate farming bonus of 25% and make it so they have no fee for donating food.
A team can take advantage of this by having their Ptolemy player make more extra farms and sling teammates food.
Mauryans
Current Bonus: Ashoka's Religious Support. Temples -50% resource cost and building time, temple technologies -50% resource cost and research time.
NEW IDEA: "Arthashastra." Free Cartography. In the writing "Arthashastra," much direction is given on using informants extensively within the kingdom and on using spies among neighboring kingdoms.
Iberians
Current Bonus: Saripeko - Citizen Javelineers -10% resource cost.
NEW IDEA: Allied players can build an Iberian embassy to make mercenaries at a 10% discount. (Sword cav will not be discounted and may have an upcharge until balanced better.) The basis for the original bonus is the fact that people of Iberia were known for fighting for others as mercenaries. Allies being able to make Iberian mercenaries reflects this better, and requires more of a player action to benefit from than the generic discount.
Seleucids
Current Bonus: Syrian Tetrapolis. Allies can make CC for -20% resource cost.
New Bonus: Marriage Alliance. This is a reference to the historical event where a Helena, the daughter of Seleucid Nikator, was married to Chandragupta Maurya. The Seleucids gave the Mauryas territory and the Mauryas gave the Seleucids war elephants.
The Seleucid player can produce a "Princess" unit from any hero. The Princess can only be made once.
- The Princess will have a Royalty aura, making all ally heroes have -50% cost and train time.
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The Princess can research one marriage Betrothal tech from among the Allied Civs.
- Once researched, all allies gain 7% territory influence, and the Seleucid player loses 7% territory influence.
- The Princess will now be able to gather a "dowry token," from the hero producing structure of the civ she is betrothed to. (Exception: Ptolemies - must gather from Fortress, not Civic Center.) Once gathered she will be able to train either 12 Infantry Champs of a single type, 8 Cavalry Champs of a single type, or 5 elephants (6 for Kushites,) instantly for free. The producible champions are champions of the allied civ, so for example if the allied civ has no elephants she can't make elephants.
These are the ideas I have so far. Do you have any good ones?
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The Athenian player themselves can train 1 of 5 Philosophers from the academy. Philosophers give a benefit to the player for the duration of their life and only one can exist at a time:
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On 27/02/2022 at 4:08 AM, LetswaveaBook said:
I think the acceleration also looks wierd. It looks like there is an invisible man the cavalry pushing (or pulling) them forward until they reach maximum speed. I think there would be a very improved visual experience if the animations between the acceleration and full speed phases where different.
Maybe scaling the length of the run animation with the units current speed would make it look very decent.
Hello. I downloaded and played SVN single player yesterday. I think the acceleration looks like a bumper car. I think it would be better if the units didn't begin accelerating from zero, but move at half their normal top movement speed (not chase speed) to begin with and accelerate from their. Or perhaps ALL units could start at the same speed, 5, if the intention is to make it harder for cavalry to disengage. That's probably better. And most acceleration should happen at the beginning.
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On 22/02/2022 at 7:08 AM, Stockfish said:
GCL qualifier #1 starts at 05/03/22
Ranking 01/03/22
Champs cup 2v2 at 04/03/22
Do the players involved schedule the match among themselves? I notice the time 1600 CET on the website.
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On 08/02/2022 at 12:46 PM, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:
We will never forget him @nani
King Aqua
Questions about technologies and the buildings that allow them.
in Tutorials & Guides
Posted · Edited by Philip the Swaggerless
Since the "affects" line of the Philosopher technologies is sometimes "structure," it won't work to include the replace feature in the actual technologies. I've decided to give the Philosopher "Shell" technologies, where after you click it it replaces all technologies with the one you clicked on. And then you just click on the icon again and researches the actual technology.
"modifications": [
{
"value": "Researcher/Technologies/_string",
"replace": "philosophy_skepticism"
}
],
Edit:
Better yet, I can make the real technology have "autoResearch": true, and then once the user clicks the shell tech the real tech automatically researches.