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av_nefardec

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  1. No that's not Gothmog.

    Gothmog was almost for sure either a Black Númenorean or a Nazgûl. He would have been more like the Mouth of Sauron.

    Orcs are incapable of leading massive numbers of guys. Look what happened at Cirith Ungol and the Uruk party going to Isengard. Disasters.

    All of Sauron's best leaders were Black Númenoreans or Nazgûl. Look at the Mouth of Sauron, Khamul the ringwraith, Herumor and Fuinir in the second age, the Witch King in both Minas Morgul and in Angmar. There's no way men of the east and the south would have heeded an orc anyways. They would have been commanded by fear, and that comes from a black númenorean sorcerer like the mouth of Sauron or a Nazgûl.

    Look even at the first age, the leaders are never orcs, but Dragons, Balrogs, Sauron, etc.

    The simple fact is orcs were created to be thralls, war machines, capable only of killing for their dark lord. Sure, the orcs had some internal leadership, but those would have only been low-level command positions. Surely not the second-in-command of the entire army of Minas Morgul, estimated at more than 25,000!

    The guy you're talking about in the movie was simply an addition made by Peter Jackson's team into the story.

  2. Well in the books he gets shot after a day of fighting hard in osgiliath by a southron arrow, and there's no indication his armor changes from when he was at Henneth Annûn or at Osgiliath. Really he would have been wearing some chain or scale mail with a thick leather jerkin under that and cloth vestmens under that, and maybe a tabard or surcoat over the mail. That would have been difficult to pierce with a simple orc arrow. The haradrim had stronger warriors than the orcs, though.

  3. No, but we can start compiling one if you'd like in a new thread :)

    For the editor we only have the list of flora, fauna, and natural objects, not buildings and units.

    Basically we can add as many as we can and then we'll take off ones that either don't matter enough or ones that can be used for others and just renamed.

  4. If you get Beowulf, I strongly suggest the Seamus Heaney translation. Not only is it extremely poetic and well-crafted in the modern english, but the original anglo-saxon is printed on the left page for comparison the translated right. Quite interesting if you are into language and reading things in their original languages like me :)

  5. well perhaps this should be a new thread as not to detract from the question answering?

    Well Barad-dur fell in TA 3019, which was SR 1419 so - 1600 years? Was it called King's Reckoning?

    What were the names of the two black númenorean lords who rose to power in the SA among the peoples of the south as puppets of Sauron?

  6. Elf, let me put your comment on Wargs attacking the fellowship in context -

    Suddenly Aragorn leapt to his feet "how the wind howls!" he cried.  "It is howling with wolf-voices.  Thw Wargs have come west of the misty mountains

    And the characters and Tolkien later go on saying thing slike "wild wolves", "as the wolf flies" the "howling of the wolves", " a great dark wolf shape", "wolf chieftain" and "hound of sauron".

    Wargs are clearly only "wild wolves" from the vales of the anduin and mirkwood, in other words, wilderland.

    Now if you recall in the Hobbit, when wargs were introduced, (warg coming from the old norse word for wolf by the way 'vargh') Sauron was at home in Mirkwood, in Dol Guldur as the Necromancer. While in this tower Greenwood the Great became mirkwood. Similarly, while in this tower, normal wolves of wilderland and mirkwood became wild wolves or wargs. Sauron gained control of their spirits. No doubt he probably employed large numbers of them around his Dol Guldur stronghold and probably brought some to Mordor with him, but the concept of "warg" is generally overrated. Wargs are simply the wolves made more evil by Sauron nothing more. Definitely not the "hyenas" that you can hear PJ talk about in the TTT movie appendicies.

    But in regards to my post, Saruman was never described as employing wargs, but rather wolves.

    However, as you can see from the section of FotR when they are attacked by wargs come "west over the misty mountains", Tolkien often uses the terms interchangeably. This implies not really a physical difference, but a difference in the manner and in the allegiance of the wolves.

  7. I'm more and more believing that Gothmog was a Nazgûl. I don't really have any facts to back that up, but it seems like Nazgûl always take leadership positions ;) They were once kings after all. The black-númenorean sorcerer (like MoS) is a tempting idea too though.

    I mean we could make him a black númenorean-turned-wraith :)

  8. Gwaihir (one of three eagles that saves Frodo and sam)

    Landroval (one of three eagles that saves Frodo and sam)

    Meneldur (one of three eagles that saves Frodo and sam)

    Thorondor (King of the Eagles in the first age of Tolkien's works)

    Aiwendil (Name of Brown Wizard, friend to small birds)

    Arathor (Noble Eagle)

    Menelthor (Sky Eagle)

    Manwë (name of the god of eagles)

    Eluthor (Blue Eagle)

    Thorluin (Blue Eagle)

    Palanthor (Wide Eagle)

    Palarevion (Far-Flyer)

    Heledir (Kingfisher)

    Thorchir (Lord of Eagles)

    Menelhir (Sky-Lord)

    Fimroval (Slender Wing)

    Rovalluin (Blue Wing)

    Eluroval (Blue Wing)

    Rovalmir (Precious Wing)

    Tologroval (Trusty Wing)

    Bainthor (Beautiful Eagle)

    Rovalbain (Beautiful Wing)

    Merilin (Nightingale)

    Randir (Wanderer)

    Menelrandir (Sky-Wanderer)

    Elurandir (Blue Wanderer)

    Oltharoval (Dream-wing)

    Reviohir (Lord of Flying)

    Reviomir (Flying Jewel)

    Some names mostly in sindarin elvish, relating to birds

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