av_nefardec
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*groans*
*wishes he would have bought PoME*
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Nenya
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curse
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Close - "Galdhrim" From "Galad" (Tree) and "rim" (host, you can add it to anything to name a people or a class of people"
Celeborn
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Movie orcs are small, hunched over - they usually have awkward, floppy ears, strange skin colors ranging from blues to greens to sallow browns to dark browns to reds. Oftentimes you will see lots of disfigurations on these orcs. They're quite unrefined, even for orc standards.
Just a small point to make before I go further - Uruk-hai is the "class plural" of Uruk - that is like saying "The Uruk People", like the difference between saying "American People" and "Americans". The difference is, you can't use the class plural "Uruk-hai" to describe a specific number of Uruks. You can't say there are "two uruk-hai", or "look at those uruk-hai". You can say "there are two uruks", or "look at those uruks". To use Uruk-hai, you have to refer to the entire race. For instance, "Sauron and Saruman created the Uruk-hai.", or "Uruk-hai are more powerful than orcs"
Ok, so anyways - Uruk-hai are upright usually black or dark grey, brown, green. They are very much taller than movie orcs, and in the movie their mouths are all the same shape, and you can see the rows of inward pointing teeth in there. Their faces look more human, but more like a professional wrestler than a normal human
In the movie, uruks are employed by both Saruman and Sauron. Movie Uruks are seen in Saruman's army at Helm's Deep in the Two Towers, in the group that carries off merry and pippin in TTT as well as FotR, and in RotK there are several in the tower of Cirith Ungol. Ugluk in TTT (meat's back on the menu boys uruk) and Lurtz in FotR (the one who takes down Boromir)
Orcs in the movie are seen all over Mordor, there are some in the tower of cirith ungol as well, and there are some in the troop that carries of merry and pippin (the one that comes after them for instance, Grishnákh and the one that wants to eat their legs
) They don't appear at helm's deep in the movie, though they were there in the book. In the movie they made that Warg-rider scene up and those were orcs atop the wargs. (though to be perfectly accurate, they should have not been riding wargs, but just wolves - wargs were animals found only in the values of the anduin and in mirkwood, and really weren't that much different than wolves in the books, just a lot more evil) Orcs are at the Pelennor fields, Osgiliath, coming out of Minas Morgul. In the books, Tolkien makes several specific points that distinguish between the two:
Orcs are described as short, crooked legged, very broad with long arms that hung almost to the ground. They are sallow-skinned, or swart (dark brown usually), they have slanted eyes, red tongues, "eyes like coals" Normal orcs cannot venture out in the light for long, as it burns their skin and eyes.
Uruks are mostly black. Tolkien always uses "greater stature" to describe them or "that kind is stronger and more fell than all others", or "large black orc" They are clearly upright, about man-height, and much, much stronger than other orcs. The Uruk-hai can tolerate light indefinitely, possessing thick, black hides, and they can look into the light and taunt it.
You can think of the difference of these as perhaps an early human ancestor like Homo erectus and an early human ancestor such as Australopithicus afarensi. (if that helps at all) Maybe the difference between human and chimpanzee is clearer?
The uruk is an enchanced version of the orc, simply put.
All Uruks ARE orcs, but not all orcs are Uruks.
Anyways, in the book description, the major difference is always about Uruks being bigger, blacker, and stronger.
Take this sentence - "There are Orcs, very many of them," he said. "And some large and evil: black Uruks of Mordor".
In the movie it seems like Saruman created the Uruk-hai, right?
Well in the book I recall no such hint at that, and in fact, it seems as if Sauron created them first. Sauron was around in Middle-earth a lot longer than Saruman, and it's likely that Sauron told Saruman how to breed Uruks through the palantĂr Saruman had there in Isengard.
Hope this helps...
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I am quite entertained by what many would call "academia" so I think if it confuses you ph4ntom, I'd probably like it
I really need to get PoME next.
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Yeah, I think you're right.
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Oh i thought you got "stack" from "stoor" as in you "stack" things when you "store" them lol
sorry
Hithaeglir
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envelope
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Well I was looking for the elvish translation but didn't want to make it too obvious
That's "Nanduhirion". But I guess the english translation is fine.The Hill of Erech (at the stone of erech) (again left out of the movie
)What was the approximate diameter of the stone of erech, and who placed the stone of erech atop the hill?
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How does stack have to do with Tolkien's work?
@ph4ntom - Tolkien did a translation of Beowulf and wrote a famous published essay "Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics"
Since I don't really see what stack has to do with Tolkien's work, here's starting from "Stoor"
Gladden Fields
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No not necessarily mods, as modifying Tolkien's world is not really something we support
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Hey, welcome!
(everytime I refresh and look at your posts per day, it goes down
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Here's how it works:
One person posts a word or phrase from anything of Tolkien's work - LotR, hobbit, Silmarillion, HoME, Smith of Wootton major, leaf by niggle, tree and leaf, farm giles of ham, tom bombadil, beowulf, sir gawain and the green knight - anything in Tolkien's work. Then you post the word or phrase with which you associate that previous word or phrase. And so and so forth.
And the first word is:
precious
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gollum
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Yes, let's go for it.
If we send everyone in the community a PM to remind them to contribute to the Word asssociation as much as they can we will get some major threads going
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Yes.
Looking at your pattern, I think Sam was very much part of the same fate. When he became Frodo's gardener, he never meant to come across the ring. He never expected to see Frodo attacked by Shelob and therefore never expected to have to take the ring from him. It was his fate that he had to do that.
Also, Sam was the ONLY ringbearer to give up the ring willfully. For this reason, he is among the most deserving of passage into the west.
Mostly Aman was reserved for Maiar and Eldar, but there were notable exceptions - I believe Tuor was allowed into Aman as a man (from Lost Road? Second Prophecy of Mandos?) Obviously Frodo and Bilbo were exceptions - Gimli was an exception.
I should say that if Gimli passed into the west, then Sam for sure should be able to.
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Ahh, I just bought the Lays of Beleriand and The Shaping of Middle-earth today.
I was going to buy Peoples of Middle-earth and either Morgoth's Ring or the War of the Jewels, but all that the store had was hardcover, and I'm too cheap to spend $30.00 on each book :/
How many of you guys have these? Are they interesting?
I really wanted War of the Jewels for Tolkien's Essay - Quendi and Eldar. I am really interested in the linguistic history of the elves and the evolutions of Tolkien's several languages, so that would have been a good buy for me.
And I'd like to read about the Northmen/Dwarven alliance and the war with the Orcs of Hithaeglir, so I would have liked to have bought PoME, but oh well. I'll try to find cheaper versions online.
PoME is the most recently published, right? Anyone know if C. Tolkien is doing any more?
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Well there are no specifically made "editor" civs, but if you wanted to make them you'd probably use the Falathrim buildings in tandem with Noldorin buildings. There will be editor only Teleri ships. Who knows, maybe a lighthouse, etc. TLA's Noldorin architecture is based on the descriptions given by Tolkien of Gondolin and Tirion.
I think Telerin architecture would be similar to that of Tirion, but with influences similar to the Falathric architecture.
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Wow - I think we have an idea of which direction we can go with this idea
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We're leaning towards areas of effect. Especially with flaming boulders that explode upon impact and create fire. Hurled heads would as well.
agreed. the purist attitude toward Tolkien here is remarkable. not one small detail is overlooked. bravo!Well you're right in saying that not one detail is overlooked
Hence the slow progress. If we can include every single detail that would be ideal - we might not, but you can bet we thought about it. And since the game is going to be so open-ended, I'm sure there will be additions after we release it.
Tolkien word association
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