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I have found the replay. I thought it was a late join or so. But I have the full replay. About at min 18 2 healers begin this gliding-healing. commands.txt

I agree, I just want to make sure that we don't go from it being something that's almost never built to being something that's always built and at a set time in an optimal build order. I think having situation dependent gameplay choices is essential, so if its too much of a gimme then it has less gameplay enrichment value.

It's not very useful in p3. By the time you build it you've already researched all the eco techs and basically all the military techs. If you delay doing techs then your eco is way too slow and you're also vulnerable to early pushes from your enemy. So, right now, the library is basically only useful for (1) getting a cheaper wtf, which is a clunky and annoying way to make a less commonly researched tech cheaper, (2) getting a cheaper glorious expansion cheaper, which is, again, a clunky and annoying way to make a tech that is almost never researched cheaper, and (3) make techs affordable on ultra low resource maps. I'm not sure how the library should be priced. Right now it usually doesn't make sense to build. There should be some tradeoff calculation where it sometimes makes sense and it sometimes doesn't Right now, that calculation is almost entirely absent.

During spectating I saw that some healers where healing while gliding. I don't know if they actually healed or had the animation running while they where walking or so. I can not reproduce this. I tried: Healing while different units walk away. The healer stops. 50 skirm + 10 healers vs 50 skirm + 10 healers: All stoned the healing process when units walk out of range. The walking begins. Capturing a building in a group This is what I saw: healing_glide.mp4 This is my attempt: healing_glide_mine.mp4

Colonization tech. in the first phase and put a more coherent price on it for the first phase. Elephants. I am against elephants in phase 2 except Maurya. Siege Tech, Reducing the metal cost is not that expensive to reduce the rest of the cost, unless the goal is to keep the cost low to speed up gameplay.I'm more into long games than short ones. There should be a mode for short games of 15-20 minutes. CC is very weak in P3, it would need to be significantly improved with civic technologies.It would also be nice if the Ram had slow development and upgrades like in AoE. I enjoy the technical improvements and the arms race( evolutive/adaptation) in strategy games.

Yes.They hide units with a command in the forest and grasslands and can be ambushed or simply to hide. LoS thing is influenced by AoE II where the game is more difficult due to a slow start. And at the beginning it is slow and the low LoS makes you blind in the map, since you only depend on scout, because civilians have very low LoS ( line of sight). Nomad starts are better in AoE II.

What you do before the reforms plays a role. So if you are training spearmen, they don't turn into legionaries, but conscript spearmen. So if you want the reforms to be more of a power spike, you will want to train swordsmen before it, and if you want to retain your eco, train more spears before it.

I like the idea with ptol library in p2, but I feel like maybe a slight cost addition and significant build time addition is necessary. Ideally it can be buildable in p2 but not something that can always be built immediately upon reaching p2. It should be a challenge to time its construction between eco or military techs in order to maximize value.

Interesting analysis of the economic impact. I have seen some players use it akin to the revolt option in Age III or Flemish revolution in Age II, basically a power spike for an existing army which they then throw at you. And unfortunately not everything works correctly currently, eh the missing attack animation on auxiliary lancers and the legionary keyword for first cohort champions. The second is more significant as it impairs the synergy between centurions and the sword champions. The main attraction though of reforms has been the onagar, which honestly gets let down by the drastic shift in eco and the need to often restructure that eco so you can keep doing things, often inefficiently. So while I like the concept flavour, I do wish Onagars where separate and paywalled like champions are rather than having to mess up my entire eco every time just for the option of building them

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Hmm, probably increase per alpha would help us gauge other interesting things. But 300 seems a stretch. But there's no way to tell.

I'd guess 300 a week and 50 per day. But my guess is as good as yours. The development over the alphas would be interesting.

@Classic-Burger I use 25-30. Atleast at my level, (1400, whatever that might mean) it works against enemies. You can snipe away cavalry, and a few spearmen close by is easy counter to melee cav civs. You can camp around the enemy with archers and elephant. But the sight and vision that you mentioned would be fun, but I think it's not completely fair since you can't tilt the camera to ground level to look at the forest floor. Hiding watch towers is interesting too, but easier to spot. Is Praetorians a different game?

Hmm, I see. I meant the number of players only. How many would you put the number of players at? I'm guessing it's about 50 per week and 30 in a day?

No, only of the games that I played. One can not really extrapolate from that, because on different times there's a different number of players. I'd need a long log of the lobby chat. This has been done afaik, but I haven't seen it. As I heard during covid there were more players (I had a big break then). But since I play (a15/a16) it's about the same number of players in my perception.

I think it can be done with a good number of archers. I don't think it would be effective; I remember using Kushite archers behind a line of spears and pikes. But making a "Rush" without riders and without melee infantry to hunt lumberjacks seems difficult to me. And expecting the enemy to have no cavalry. Unlike AoE, cavalry is more prevalent in this game. Skirmish cavalry is quickly available. This is where you have to do some work to differentiate all the missile CS units. In the current game, cavalry is the best option to rush/raid farms and lumberjacks (warehouses). It would also help to nerf the LoS and introduce technologies to improve it again. This would make the enemy feel claustrophobic from not seeing anything and having more blind spots. It would be interesting to be able to hide archers and skimishers as it happened in Praetorians.

Ideally, there should be different ways for archers to be good, not just one way. Changing the subject, the champion pikes need to be better, I never chose pikes in a Seleucid reform.

With Mauryas you could do it almost the entire game, dancing around nearby woodlines. Of course you need to really work it to the point where the enemy pocket comes to help. Thereby giving your ally all the time advantage to roll them at minute 12-13. In 1v1s you can do both. Slowly adding melee when you're ready to capture. But it needs to be quick wherein enemy does not get eco time to tower all sides of the base. You could also do a small 3-4 minute rush and possibly take a barrack, retreat back and ecobot. I've also tried doing Mercenary archers with Athens, Seleuids, Ptolemies and Macedonians and have had relative success and failure. Latter being due to my own mistakes. But all are fun strategies.

I think all archer civs needs boosting to encourage better and diverse strategies. We can exclude Persians since they have javelinners, but then we could keep them as an outlier archer civilization since they don't need to rely on archers. Same with the Carthaginians who have mercenary slingers, but Carthaginian players who ecobot are almost always a burden on the team. But I'd like archers to be boosted in some way to encourage archer-centric strategies.

@ffm2Interesting statistics. Do you know what the numbers are for active unique players per day, week and month? (Maybe 1 game and/or more)

Yes. When metal surplus, also with Agis Neodomades are extremely cheap. Very very cheap. 50 food 35 metal. You could use them to quickly repop all spearmen maybe little javs. But usually the game never lasts that long and Neo Hoplites do not provide any decisive advantage to break end game.

@Classic-Burger in more high-level multiplayer games, 200 population might be reached by 11-13 minutes. Typically rushes in these games are between 2 and 5 minutes.

Not a long one. I don't know how long an archer rush would take in practice. Many matches last 30-40 minutes.

shouldn't game be close to over around 20 min!?! at least 1x1 IMO

I think I should clarify that the concept of "archer rush" I have in mind is in a early stage between phase 1 and 2. Probably within 20 minutes or so.