What does Kushite's battering ram look like?

[AIEND]

Kushite is now using the same Assyrian battering ram as Persian, I know this is definitely not the reality, but has anyone researched this, if we want to make a new model of the Kushite battering ram, what would it look like of?

[Lion.Kanzen]

By the time the Nubians made their incursions into Egypt, around 715 BC, walls, siege tactics and equipment had undergone changes, mostly influenced by developments in the Asiatic East. Early shelters protecting sappers armed with poles trying to breach mud-brick ramparts gave way to battering rams.

 

Enclosures were still erected, preventing surprise attacks, but raised platforms from which the town could be showered with missiles, which decreased the advantage the defenders had on their tall ramparts as we find from Piye's siege of Hermopolis in Egypt:

 

Behold, [he] besieges Heracleopolis, he has completely invested it, not letting comers-out come out, and not letting goers-in go in, fighting every day. He measured it off in its whole circuit, every prince knows his wall; he stations every man of the princes and rulers of walled towns over his respective portion.

 

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/siegewarfare.htm

probably on wheels.

Other can be more like this.

[AIEND]

6 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

Do such battering rams theoretically also function as siege towers? I know the soldiers won't climb to the wall from above, but they can shoot arrows at the people on the wall.

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 minute ago, AIEND said:

Do such battering rams theoretically also function as siege towers? I know the soldiers won't climb to the wall from above, but they can shoot arrows at the people on the wall.

That is Assyrian-Persian illustration.

but it occurs to me that it is one of the possible designs.

The other is the Egyptian with wheels and more armor.(more wood)

[Lion.Kanzen]

During the Iron Age, in the ancient Middle East and Mediterranean, the battering ram's log was slung from a wheeled frame by ropes or chains so that it could be made more massive and be more easily bashed against its target. Frequently, the ram's point would be reinforced with a metal head or cap while vulnerable parts of the shaft were bound with strengthening metal bands.

Another type of ram was one that maintained the normal shape and structure, but the support beams were instead made of saplings that were lashed together. The frame was then covered in hides as normal to defend from fire. The only solid beam present was the actual ram that was hung from the frame. The frame itself was so light that it could be carried on the shoulders of the men transporting the ram, and the same men could beat the ram against the wall when they reached it.[3]

 

Many battering rams possessed curved or slanted wooden roofs and side-screens covered in protective materials, usually fresh wet hides. These hide canopies stopped the ram from being set on fire. They also safeguarded the operators of the ram against arrow and spear volleys launched from above.

 

A well-known image of an Assyrian battering ram depicts how sophisticated attacking and defensive practices had become by the 9th century BC. The defenders of a town wall are trying to set the ram alight with torches and have also put a chain under it. The attackers are trying to pull on the chain to free the ram, while the aforementioned wet hides on the canopy provide protection against the flames.

 

By the time the Kushites made their incursions into Egypt, around 715 BC, walls, siege tactics and equipment had undergone many changes. Early shelters protecting sappers armed with poles trying to breach mudbrick ramparts gave way to battering rams.[4]

 

[AIEND]

8 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

那是亚述波斯插图。

但我突然想到这是可能的设计之一。

另一个是带轮子和更多盔甲的埃及人。（更多木头）

Then in theory we should allow soldiers who enter the Assyrian battering ram to shoot arrows out, the Assyrian battering ram should have more wood cost.

It seems that the Egyptians and Nubians did not have wheels on their battering rams, perhaps because of the desert terrain, the wheels tend to get stuck in the sand and not move.

Edited April 25, 2022 by AIEND

[Lion.Kanzen]

16 minutes ago, AIEND said:

Then in theory we should allow soldiers who enter the Assyrian battering ram to shoot arrows out, the Assyrian battering ram should have more wood cost.

It seems that the Egyptians and Nubians did not have wheels on their battering rams, perhaps because of the desert terrain, the wheels tend to get stuck in the sand and not move.

That info is from 8th Century.

They must have changed...

Siege weapons Edit

"During the siege of Hermopolis in the 8th century BC, siege towers were built for the Kushite army led by Piye, in order to enhance the efficiency of Kushite archers.[61] After leaving Thebes, Piye's first objective was besieging Ashmunein. He gathered his army after their lack of success so far, and undertook the personal supervision of operations including the erection of a siege tower from which Kushite archers could fire down into the city.[62] Early shelters protecting sappers armed with poles trying to breach mud-brick ramparts gave way to Battering rams.[61] The use of the battering ram by Kushite forces against Egyptian cities are recorded on the stele of Piye"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_ancient_Nubia

"""Then they fought against "The Peak, Chest of victories"...Then a battering ram was employed against it, so that its walls were demolished and a great slaughter made among them in incalculable numbers, including the son of the Chief of the Ma, Tefnakht...."""

 

— Victory Stele of Piye.[63]

[Lion.Kanzen]

In this forum ,(I googled and google show me our own forum)

 

 

 

Is a makeup

Isn't made by me but...I have same idea in mind and wheels.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Need one for the Han Chinese as well.

[AIEND]

27 分钟前，wowgetoffyourcellphone 说：

汉人也需要一个。

This is 宋Song Dynasty

[Lion.Kanzen]

17 minutes ago, AIEND said:

This is 宋Song Dynasty

I found this.

[AIEND]

31 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

我找到了这个。

There are also other vehicles with no rams inside, mainly to cover soldiers to reach under the city wall, dig tunnels or excavate the city wall.

[Lion.Kanzen]

9 minutes ago, AIEND said:

There are also other vehicles with no rams inside, mainly to cover soldiers to reach under the city wall, dig tunnels or excavate the city wall.

Mantlet in English Mantelete in Spanish.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantlet

Means cover or clock.

From Latin Mantellum.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[AIEND]

1 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

Mantlet en English Mantelete 西班牙语。

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantlet

 

There is also a pattern of a battering ram without a roof. In theory, this ram can be arbitrarily matched with the roofs of the above vehicles.

 

[AIEND]

7 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

Mantlet en English Mantelete 西班牙语。

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantlet

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

Literally is a kind of cover. Mantellum in Latin.

[AIEND]

2 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

从字面上看是一种掩饰。 Mantellum 拉丁文。

This type of vehicle is very common in China, of course, the illustrations here mainly depict the situation around the 10th century, which may not be so comprehensive in the Han Dynasty.

This is the siege tower recorded in the Ming Dynasty books in the 17th century. At that time, the Ming Dynasty army no longer used it, but some Tusi troops in the southwest area still retained this kind of equipment because they mainly used cold weapons, so the soldiers in the illustrations are all It is a southwestern ethnic group.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

40 minutes ago, AIEND said:

This type of vehicle is very common in China, of course, the illustrations here mainly depict the situation around the 10th century, which may not be so comprehensive in the Han Dynasty.

This is the siege tower recorded in the Ming Dynasty books in the 17th century. At that time, the Ming Dynasty army no longer used it, but some Tusi troops in the southwest area still retained this kind of equipment because they mainly used cold weapons, so the soldiers in the illustrations are all It is a southwestern ethnic group.

 

but that's in the game.(?)

[AIEND]

1 小时前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

但那是在游戏中。（？）

The current model in the game is acceptable, but it is recommended to remove the weapon inserted on it, because this is a painting expression method in later generations, and it is not true.

[Lion.Kanzen]

16 minutes ago, AIEND said:

this is a painting expression

I need a more explicit explanation.

Exactly what artistic expression you refer?

[AIEND]

2 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

我需要一个更明确的解释。

你指的究竟是什么艺术表现形式？

The previous Han Dynasty siege tower model had some "Ji" inserted on it, very similar to this Ming Dynasty illustration, but the real Chinese siege tower will not have this on it, these melee weapons are a metaphor, like a weapon rack , meaning this is armed.

[Genava55]

22 hours ago, AIEND said:

Kushite is now using the same Assyrian battering ram as Persian, I know this is definitely not the reality, but has anyone researched this, if we want to make a new model of the Kushite battering ram, what would it look like of?

We talked a bit about this there:

 

Also debated there:

 

And it is also related to this decision:

https://code.wildfiregames.com/D2815

Edited April 26, 2022 by Genava55