AoE 2 Expansion: Indian Dynasties similarities to 0ad

[soloooy0]

21 hours ago, AIEND said:

The biggest advantage of the chariot is that it can provide a stable archery platform. With the popularization of horseback archery, the role of the chariot is reduced.

what benefit does a charriot champion currently have over a cavalry champion? the stats bonus for being champions are the same as those of a: champion horse lancer, champion horse spearman, champion cavalryman vs. regular
regular and champion chariots don't have any distinctive vs. other ranged cavalry and champions have the same.
they don't cost more, they don't have higher accuracy, they don't have higher cadence, champions don't shoot on the move (with low accuracy, like in total war).
they are not more expensive, nor do they require more living space or greater resistance.

[AIEND]

2 分钟前，soloooy0 说：

战车冠军目前比骑兵冠军有什么好处？ 成为冠军的属性加成与a相同：冠军马枪手，冠军马矛兵，冠军骑兵vs常规
常规战车和冠军战车与其他远程骑兵没有任何区别，而冠军战车则相同。
他们不会花费更多，他们没有更高的准确性，他们没有更高的节奏，冠军不会在移动中射击（准确性低，就像在全面战争中一样）。
它们并不昂贵，也不需要更多的生活空间或更大的阻力。

If it fits the historical facts, the chariot archer should have a longer range, higher shooting accuracy and faster rate of fire than the horse archer, but the price is much more expensive than the cavalry. important reason for elimination. In fact, many ethnic groups, including Indians, continued to use chariots for a long time just because they could not master the skills of horseback archery.

Other peoples, such as the Persians and the Chinese and the Seleucids, put more emphasis on the impact capability of the chariot when they used the chariot, and they put armor on the horse and sickle on the wheel. In this way, the scythe chariot can often sweep through the enemy's infantry array, causing them huge casualties (I use the aura that works on the infantry in the mod to simulate this effect).
But the scythe chariot is difficult to pass through the rough terrain, and it is also expensive (the scythe chariot requires 4 armored horses, and the cost of food and metal is at least 4 times that of the cataphract), so it was finally eliminated by the cataphract.

[soloooy0]

21 minutes ago, AIEND said:

If it fits the historical facts, the chariot archer should have a longer range, higher shooting accuracy and faster rate of fire than the horse archer, but the price is much more expensive than the cavalry. important reason for elimination. In fact, many ethnic groups, including Indians, continued to use chariots for a long time just because they could not master the skills of horseback archery.

 

some advantage should be given to the chariot vs. horse archer as you have said, in exchange for a higher cost and maybe some space in dwellings.
we still have to solve the housing space of the elephants, siege and chariots ...

[AIEND]

4 minutes ago, soloooy0 said:

正如您所说，应该给予战车与弓箭手一些优势，以换取更高的成本和住宅中的一些空间。
我们仍然要解决大象，围城和战车的住房空间......

In terms of housing space, my settings in the mod are cavalry (2), chariot (4), elephant (5), Bolt Shooter (3), battering ram and catapult (4), siege tower ( 6).

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 hour ago, AIEND said:

1 hour ago, soloooy0 said:

战车冠军目前比骑兵冠军有什么好处？ 成为冠军的属性加成与a相同：冠军马枪手，冠军马矛兵，冠军骑兵vs常规
常规战车和冠军战车与其他远程骑兵没有任何区别，而冠军战车则相同。
他们不会花费更多，他们没有更高的准确性，他们没有更高的节奏，冠军不会在移动中射击（准确性低，就像在全面战争中一样）。
它们并不昂贵，也不需要更多的生活空间或更大的阻力。

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If it fits the historical facts, the chariot archer should have a longer range, higher shooting accuracy and faster rate of fire than the horse archer, but the price is much more expensive than the cavalry. important reason for elimination

I agree, it's a good role for the unit.

[Lion.Kanzen]

47 minutes ago, AIEND said:

In terms of housing space, my settings in the mod are cavalry (2), chariot (4), elephant (5), Bolt Shooter (3), battering ram and catapult (4), siege tower ( 6).

Sounds interesting. I hate spamming units that weren't easy to maintain.

People forget that in 0 A.D the economic part has a role with CS. So pop capacity is a new factor to stop unrealistic elephant rush.

It's okay to wrap some numbers with techs research (logistics) but still a madness : 1 Elephant 1 = 1 troop from infantry.

Special ancient setting.

[AIEND]

10 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

听起来不错。 我讨厌不容易维护的垃圾邮件单元。

人们忘记了在公元 0 年，经济部分与 CS 有关系。 因此，流行容量是阻止不切实际的大象抢购的新因素。

用技术研究（后勤）包装一些数字是可以的，但仍然很疯狂 ： 1 大象 1 = 1 个步兵部队。

特别古老的环境。

In fact, I think elephants, chariots and sieges can take up more housing space on top of that, which is mainly related to shipping, it's difficult to have a ship's interior space as spacious as a building, which can limit players' use of ships The possibility of transporting many of these units at once.
At the same time, this will not affect the buildings that can accommodate these units. For example, I originally designed the elephant stable to accommodate three elephants. If I further increase the housing space occupied by the elephants to 6, then, the elephant stable's As long as the housing space is adjusted to 18, it will be the same as before.

Edited April 17, 2022 by AIEND

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 minutes ago, AIEND said:

In fact, I think elephants, chariots and siege weapons can take up more housing space. This is mainly related to shipping, and the interior space of ships is difficult to be as spacious as buildings.

keeping an elephant was not easy.

For something quickly out of utility(Obsolete) in the Mediterranean.

How much feed does that animal need?

Cataphract was better answer for the cavalry.

[AIEND]

8 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

养大象并不容易。

对于地中海地区很快失去效用（过时）的东西。

那只动物需要多少饲料？

Cataphract是骑兵的更好答案。

Elephants can easily die once they leave their habitat. If you ship elephants to West Asia or Europe, the cost of feeding them can be several times higher than in their habitats. Therefore, only South Asia and Southeast Asia can be widely raised. , I think this is why elephants are disappearing very quickly in the Mediterranean region.
Elephants can give soldiers a great shock, this is not a substitute for Cataphract or chariots, even after the advent of firearms, the Mughal Empire has always used elephants, and even placed light artillery on the backs of elephants.

[Lion.Kanzen]

7 minutes ago, AIEND said:

substitute for Cataphract or chariots, even after the advent of firearms, the Mughal Empire has always used elephants, and even placed light artillery on the backs of elephants.

said in the Mediterranean.

In India it was always easy to maintain for centuries until today 

[AIEND]

33 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

在地中海说。

在印度，几个世纪以来一直很容易维护，直到今天 

In fact, even if it is not easy to raise, the Persians and Seleucids also tried their best to obtain elephants from India. I think that elephants were no longer used in the Mediterranean region, mainly because they lost the channel of importing elephants from India.
The Sassanians still used Indian elephants, but they obviously wouldn't sell them to the Romans.

[Lion.Kanzen]

13 minutes ago, AIEND said:

In fact, even if it is not easy to raise, the Persians and Seleucids also tried their best to obtain elephants from India. I think that elephants were no longer used in the Mediterranean region, mainly because they lost the channel of importing elephants from India.
The Sassanians still used Indian elephants, but they obviously wouldn't sell them to the Romans.

What about African Elephant?

[AIEND]

1 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

非洲象呢？

The army of the early Roman Empire consisted of two parts, one part was the infantry made up of Roman citizens. The other part is the vassal state, with archers, cavalry, etc. If there are elephants, it should be provided by this part of the people, but obviously Ethiopians are not included, so no one can provide elephants to the Romans.
In addition, the relationship between the Romans and the Amazigh people is not very good, and the trade routes are not very smooth. It is very common to buy a few elephants as pets, but it is still very difficult to form a large-scale war elephant force.

[LetswaveaBook]

16 hours ago, AIEND said:

If there are elephants, it should be provided by this part of the people, but obviously Ethiopians are not included, so no one can provide elephants to the Romans.

The Numindians provided elephants to Rome in the Second Celtiberian War. So the Romans had sources of elephants, but they did not focus on elephants corps.

[Lion.Kanzen]

21 minutes ago, LetswaveaBook said:

The Numindians provided elephants to Rome in the Second Celtiberian War. So the Romans had sources of elephants, but they did not focus on elephants corps.

also in the Second Macedonian war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cynoscephalae

 

[AIEND]

25 分钟前，LetswaveaBook 说：

在第二次凯尔特比利亚战争中，努明迪亚人向罗马提供了大象。 所以罗马人有大象的来源，但他们并不专注于大象军团。

The Roman Empire initially did not tend to maintain those expensive troops such as Cataphracts and chariots (used in the war with Epirus), war elephants for a long time, but to obtain them from the vassal states, which is a kind of money saving. way.
But after the Jugurtha War, the Amazigh country was destroyed by the Romans. And by the time the Romans went to form these troops themselves, the Sassanians had already risen.