Peregrine I Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 I only recently started playing this game and am really loving the overall art design except for one. The fortress. I just don't understand why the artist/s have decided to make the strongest defense structure in the game to be so short. They are literally shorter than your walls. It makes no sense I don't have any complaints about the area the fortress covers or its hit points, garrison and any other features. But for city builders and defense-based players who like to build walled cities defended by towers and fortresses, the fortresses are just visually unappealing. I think fortresses need to be designed much taller to give them a formidable and imposing aesthetic. And definitely taller than the walls. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freagarach Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 A very nice city you've build there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine I Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Some more screenshots of the fortress next to walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine I Posted March 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Sorry. The attachments hit the limit. I will post the link to flickr here for some more screenshots of the fortress next to walls here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroder Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Indeed, they could be a little bit more impressive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Funny thing is, they used to be more impressive until other buildings were made larger over time. lol I'm talking over the course of years. The original sets of buildings were quite small back in the day and the fortresses looked more impressive then. But now, I don't see a need to make Fortresses look more impressive since they are constantly being nerfed by the dev team. They are essentially just keeps or "strongpoints" now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine I Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 So, recently, I made a post about how fortresses in 0 AD are shorter than the walls which I found to be unappealing for the strongest defense structure in the game. At first, I thought it was the artistic choice of the developers but yesterday, while playing an acropolis map, I discovered something. The fortresses are actually designed much taller with a robust base but it doesn't appear when the building is placed on the terrain. It seems the base just "hides" underneath the ground and only the top part which is shorter than walls appear for construction. Is this a bug? Can anyone in the Art development team address this, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Well, it's so that the fortress doesn't look ridiculous on a slope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine I Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 A side by side still images for comparison of the fortress' actual size and the size for a valid construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine I Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Well, it's so that the fortress doesn't look ridiculous on a slope. Nobody is trying to build a fortress on a slope. And that's not the concern of this post. Its about half the building that seems to hide underneath when placed on terrain. That is what looks ridiculous. If the artists have designed the fortresses with a base, shouldn't that entire structure appear for a valid construction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Peregrine I said: Nobody is trying to build a fortress on a slope. And that's not the concern of this post. Its about half the building that seems to hide underneath when placed on terrain. That is what looks ridiculous. If the artists have designed the fortresses with a base, shouldn't that entire structure appear for a valid construction? I am saying the base you see under the terrain grid was put there specifically for cases when the building is placed on a slope, so that there is not a gap at the bottom edges. It's not actually a part of the above ground structure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine I Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: I am saying the base you see under the terrain grid was put there specifically for cases when the building is placed on a slope, so that there is not a gap at the bottom edges. It's not actually a part of the above ground structure. So, it seems its the developers' choice to make fortresses shorter than the walls which already looks ridiculous. I wish they were designed taller in size. Thanks for the response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azayrahmad Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 In previous alphas the models don't have those bases, so on uneven terrain sometimes the building seems to be floating, sometimes half the building gets buried underground. So the developers decided to add extra base for each model to avoid this. It's not like the artists created tall fortresses and the developers decided to bury half their height. As to why they are shorter than wall, I believe it's for historical purposes. Ancient fortresses were not medieval castles like in Age of Empires II, they are just oversized towers/standalone gatehouses here. Artists and historians here please CMIIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freagarach Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Also, @wowgetoffyourcellphone pointed out in the other thread, that not the fortress was designed to be smaller, but that the other structures became larger over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Yes, the Macedonian and Roman fortresses were designed many years ago and are rather lower, whereas more recent additions such as those of the Kushites and Spartans are much taller. Also compare the Kushite civic centre with e.g. the Athenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Perhaps @feneur or another moderator could merge this thread with your earlier one? There is no point in creating new threads for the same question; it can only fragment the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasaavawar Posted October 2, 2021 Report Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) Not just fortresses, some wonders (and old special buildings; Gymnasium, theaters, some barracks and civic centers, etc.) tend to be pretty small too (not just short). Edited October 2, 2021 by Dasaavawar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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