Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)

[Lion.Kanzen]

I found an illustration that might help.

In the illustration they wear trousers and long sleeves, the rest of the outfit is Roman, except the Shield.

In the middle of the illustration there appears to be a tribal chief.

According to the image, this illustration is from the battle of Vercellae. Illustration by Igor Dzis

[real_tabasco_sauce]

For boiorix, I like this helmet.

Teutobod with better resolution. Might not be too hard to use this as the start to a portrait.

Edited October 27 by real_tabasco_sauce

[Lion.Kanzen]

15 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

For boiorix, I like this helmet.

Teutobod with better resolution. Might not be too hard to use this as the start to a portrait.

If it looks better.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 04/06/2019 at 4:53 AM, Genava55 said:

It seems to be something used later:

http://sci-hub.tw/https://www.jstor.org/stable/650090

The only place where I find early indications of arrows and bows is in North Denmark and Southern Sweden. So if you want to add an archer, you can do it through a regional unit (Cimbri or Suiones).

So perhaps the Cimbrian faction could have archer infantry as well.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

8 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

So perhaps the Cimbrian faction could have archer infantry as well.

That's a stretch. Looks like they were one of the few cultures where the bow was not a common weapon of war.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 26/10/2024 at 6:37 PM, real_tabasco_sauce said:

 

Boiorix, Teutobod, and Lugius.

I'd like to experiment with some other armor for lugius, maybe also pants. One issue is the contrast with the champion cavalry. Maybe one color can be reserved for the hero?

not sure what to do with the champ spearcav. With the different colors, they remind me of power rangers XD.

For the Cimbri i think they could have champion sword cavalry instead; with long swords (Gaul swords could be reused), armor and  white shields.

The heroes could probably be armored as well.

 

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

15 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

For the Cimbri i think they could have champion sword cavalry instead; with long swords (Gaul swords could be reused), armor and  white shields.

 

Agree. 

[Lion.Kanzen]

These people are not supposed to use a Celtic Spatha.

Why not give a bonus to some technology with that sword?

It is supposed to be longer than a Gladius.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

1 hour ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

So perhaps the Cimbrian faction could have archer infantry as well.

@wowgetoffyourcellphone beat me too it, but I'll add that the civ already has an wide selection of infantry.

1 hour ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

For the Cimbri i think they could have champion sword cavalry instead; with long swords (Gaul swords could be reused), armor and  white shields.

The heroes could probably be armored as well.

 

My only comment on the champ cav is that it would be neat to let another civ access champ swordcav. Only the romans have this unit right now while many other civs have a champ spearcav.

I've seen the simplistic, white-themed shields in a number of places and I like the concept. We might only need a small number of these designs, like 2 to 4 since we can justifiably mix with the celtic shields, especially for the "celto-german" slinger for example.

On the topic of heroes, I'll experiment with some armor for boiorix, and I think I'll give the furs texture to teutobod, who is designed as a kind of fast-moving commando infantry unit.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

1 hour ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

@wowgetoffyourcellphone beat me too it, but I'll add that the civ already has an wide selection of infantry.

My only comment on the champ cav is that it would be neat to let another civ access champ swordcav. Only the romans have this unit right now while many other civs have a champ spearcav.

I've seen the simplistic, white-themed shields in a number of places and I like the concept. We might only need a small number of these designs, like 2 to 4 since we can justifiably mix with the celtic shields, especially for the "celto-german" slinger for example.

On the topic of heroes, I'll experiment with some armor for boiorix, and I think I'll give the furs texture to teutobod, who is designed as a kind of fast-moving commando infantry unit.

I think one of the Gauls chainmail textures could work as placeholder (Again, Cimbri were relatively more influenced by Celts). 

Regarding hero bonuses, i can only really find useful information on Teutobod and Boiorix.

For the other ones (like Lugius) the only information is their fate after Vercellae.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:18 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Ultimate Aurelian]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divico

there is a third interesting figure from the Cimbrian War, but he was not Germanic.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

18 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

For the other ones (like Lugius) the only information is their fate after Vercellae.

Perhaps his bonus is to increase the soldiers' attack as he and his men are wounded, a heroic death.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

I already designed new an unique hero bonuses a couple months ago. Did you read the descriptions?

last paragraph here:

https://gitea.wildfiregames.com/0ad/0ad/pulls/7104

[Ultimate Aurelian]

Quote

 "Pytheas says that the Gutones, a people of Germany, inhabit the shores of an estuary of the Ocean called Mentonomon, their territory extending a distance of six thousand stadia; that, at one day's sail from this territory, is the Isle of Abalus, upon the shores of which, amber is thrown up by the waves in spring, it being an excretion of the sea in a concrete form; as, also, that the inhabitants use this amber by way of fuel, and sell it to their neighbours, the Teutones.

Pytheas (cited by Pliny) says the Teutones originated somewhere around Pomerania.

It's a bit of a stretch, but Teutobod's equipment could be based on that region.

https://www.enapp.muzeum.lebork.pl/archeology/oksywie-culture-grave/

 

 

 

 

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. Beyond the Lugii are the Gothones, who are governed by kings. Their rule is somewhat more autocratic than in the other German states, but not to such a degree that freedom is destroyed. Then, immediately bordering on the sea, are I the Rugii and Lemovii. All these peoples are distinguished by the use of round shields and short swords, and by submission to regal authority.

It's important to note the peoples in this region were the only Germans using round shields at the time (So the normal Cimbri or Suebi units should not have round shields).

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 hour ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Pomerania

And where is that?

[Ultimate Aurelian]

Northern Germany and Poland, facing the Baltic.

[Genava55]

2 hours ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Pytheas (cited by Pliny) says the Teutones originated somewhere around Pomerania.

At the time of Pytheas, the Oksywie and Przeworsk cultures don't exist. Only the Pomeranian culture. Which is maybe not Germanic. The Gutones were probably still in Sweden at this time.

It is quite difficult to interpret Pytheas attributed accounts.

Edited Wednesday at 17:05 by Genava55

[real_tabasco_sauce]

using the old linothorax looks cool for boiorix. With a white shield this will look really cool.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

teutobod

[real_tabasco_sauce]

I almost have some shields. I meant for the black part here to be player color. For some reason the wood details are player color XD.

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

teutobod

That guy looks good.

 

2 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

using the old linothorax looks cool for boiorix. With a white shield this will look really cool.

I don't know if a Greek linothorax is the best.

You have to look for chainmail or some Celtic armor.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

4 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

6 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

using the old linothorax looks cool for boiorix. With a white shield this will look really cool.

I don't know if a Greek linothorax is the best.

You have to look for chainmail or some Celtic armor.

The filename started with "Gaul" so i figured it was gallic. There are also padded-style armor that isn't being used by anything atm.

The celtic chainmail is problematic because it comes with celtic tatoos on the arms.

Edited Saturday at 02:21 by real_tabasco_sauce

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 minute ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

The filename started with "Gaul" so i figured it was gallic. There are also padded-style armor that isn't being used by anything atm.

Is there no other brown color?

I see white as very Greek.

The Gauls had contact with the Greek world.

Such a colour would be less associated with the Greek linothorax.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

I think there might be one like this. The armor from the second pic is very similar to those already in use for the gauls swordsmen champions, so I chose something similar but more simple.

I'll try the padded armor and see how it looks. Pretty sure its brown/tan

[Lion.Kanzen]

By the way...

I found these.

 

https://www.deviantart.com/gambargin/art/Germanic-Men-and-Women-of-the-Migration-Era-635408723