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[soloooy0]

hi egyptina and ptl use war charriots -meele- and archers types i think and egyptian pikeman is "champ" no regular unit ptl use units of others civs as regular unit similar at others others civs in game 

and iber regular blademan use gladius hispanensis no falcata the falcata is expensive and build at measure of the soldier for perfect balance 

[Lion.Kanzen]

Bronze Age , Egyptian don't use this after Hellenization. Es típica del nuevo reino de Egipto en el bronce. Pero después de Alejandro...

@Sundiata you have idea when they stop using chariot. 

[Sundiata]

@Lion.Kanzen not exactly, but it's true that chariots fell out of (military) use during the 500BCE-1AD timeframe, in favour of mounted cavalry. They were still used by elites as prestige items though (personal transport, parades, races). Those civilisations further from the meditaranean continued to use them for a while though (like britons and such...) 

I'll do some reading and get back to you

Edited July 22, 2017 by Sundiata

[Lion.Kanzen]

Yes that I have present, but not like ancient Ramses III times, when they fought vs Hittites.

I mean as army. 

What kind of units used when they did the  rebellion under Persian rule?

[soloooy0]

Hace 13 minutos, Lion.Kanzen dijo:

Sí que tengo presente, pero no como los antiguos tiempos de Ramsés III, cuando lucharon contra hititas.

Quiero decir como ejército. 

¿Qué tipo de unidades usaron cuando hicieron la rebelión bajo el gobierno persa?

Panion batalla en 198ac es posible?

 

Edited July 22, 2017 by soloooy0

[Lion.Kanzen]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Panium

if you are referring to Egyptian Chariot archers I doubt probably the used Agema Royal Cavalry or normal Macedonian, or even other kind of cavalry. But chariots with archers...

the first rulers of Ptolemies are not much like Egyptian, I mean they don't trust in the power of  Egyptian ancient warfare in this moment if they used something similar to new kingdom must be mercenary like Kushites or nomads raiders.

en otras palabras los carros arqueros ya estaban pasados de moda.

y los carros en general en esa parte del mundo el último ennusarlos en enfrentamientos fueron los del reino del Ponto de Mitridates. 

[Lion.Kanzen]

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carro_de_guerra

the horse becomes more strong so this why the cavalry used by Chariot change to mounted.

the images you provided is more the style from Kadesh battle.

Carros falcados no son iguales a los de Ramses.

[Lion.Kanzen]

[soloooy0]

the picture photo is royal charriot no war the other is the -evolution- 

[Lion.Kanzen]

Ya habían quedado desfasados.

 

I doubt highly they used this, specially Macedonian rulers.

Edited July 22, 2017 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

Spoiler

Sources: Seleucid and Ptolemaic Reformed Armies 168-145 BC Volume 2: The Ptolemaic Army by Nick Sekunda, A Companion to Ancient Egypt by Alan B. Lloyd, Army and Society in Ptolemaic Egypt doctoral thesis by Christelle Fischer-Bovet, A Military Reform Before the Battle of Raphia? by Christelle Fischer-Bovet, Egyptian Warriors: the Machimoi of Herodotus and the Ptolemaic Army by Christelle Fischer-Bovet, Greeks and Egyptians in the Ptolemaic Army and Administration by W. Clarysse, the Europa Barbarorum website, The Evolution of Hellenistic Inantry, and even a little  Wikipedia.

Greco-Macedonian Soldiers

At the establishment of the Ptolemaic kingdom, the army consisted of Alexander the Great's veterans and other Macedonian garrison troops, plus mercenaries hired by Ptolemy I. This meant that, at least at first, the sarissa phalanx held a central position in the army. However, limited military reform began in the leadup to the Battle of Raphia (219-217) and by the reforms of the 160s the army had been completely transformed.

• The Elite

The standing army was composed of guards units and garrisons. These were mostly Greek or Macedonian, or even Hellenized people from other cultures. They protected the king and his court, and prevented rebellion within the empire. They also provided the elite core of the army while on campaign. Standing Greco-Macedonian units fought in Macedonian-style phalanxes with sarissa early in the empire's history, but tended to be better armored than the phalanxes which conquered Persia. Later, after the decline of the sarissa phalanx, elite units were more likely to fight as medium or heavy spearmen, sometimes armored in mail.

• The Reserves

Ptolemy and his successors encouraged settlement of Egypt in military colonies. Greeks, Macedonians, and Galatians received land in exchange for military service. Sekunda describes them as a "territorial army" and Fischer-Bovet recognizes them as the regular army (possibly comparable to Greek and Roman part-time citizen soldiers). The system worked well until land grants became hereditary in the late 3rd century, eliminating any incentive for soldiers' sons to join the army.

These kleruchoi (named for the kleros land grant) spent most of their time living as farmers, but were mobilized into pre-organized unites in times of war like reservists. The panoply of kleruchoi is uncertain, but we do know that kleruchoi received different sized land allotments based on what kind of unit they served in. It seems that there were peltastai, phalanx, and cavalry kleruchoi.

• Light Infantry

Peltastai were very common in Alexander the Great's army, and were the "standard" mercenary of the Greek world in his lifetime. They were well armed with javelins for skirmishing and a spear for protection in close combat. Peltastai took their name from the pelte, a name for any lightweight, small shield. This served as their only protection unless they could afford a helmet.

Some peltastai replaced their pelte with larger wooden thureos shields after extensive contact between the Celts and Greeks from the 270s. These soldiers were called thureophoroi. Later, in part because of Rome's influence, some began to adopt mail armor and earned the name thorakitai. Peltastai, thureophoroi, and thorakitai all served alongside one and other, rather than new developments replacing older styles. Please note that Sekunda's references to "Romanized" soldiers in the images is incorrect.

• Reform

Over time the Ptolemaic army changed to adapt to a changing situation. In the mid-2nd century BC, Egypt found itself less and less involved in foreign wars with other Hellenistic successor states, so pitched battles became less important. The Ptolemies turned more to lighter infantry such as peltastai, and reorganized their army for greater flexibility rather than large phalanxes, so thureophoroi and thorakitai became more common. By the mid-1st century BC, at the latest, the traditional Macedonian phalanx had disappeared from Egypt.

• Cavalry

Cavalry tactics and panoply in Egypt remained relatively unchanged since the days of Alexander the Great, despite reforms in organizational systems. For the most part, Greek cavalry included kleruchoi acting as mounted skirmishers armed with javelins and spears. More elite "guard" cavalry was based on Alexander the Great's companions and similar mounted formations, although with more armor. These men fought as heavy shock cavalry, but not quite as well armored as the Seleukids' cataphracts.

Native Egyptians

Native Egyptians of high social standing were frequently Hellenized as they interacted with Greek rulers. Some Egyptians became kleruchoi later in the dynasty, and some Greeks are known to have served in "machimoi" units. The ethnicity of certain military men is ambiguous later in Ptolemaic history due to the practice of using both a Greek and an Egyptian name. Overall, the line between Greek Egyptians and native Egyptians gradually blurred.

• Origins

In Egypt's "late period" directly before Greco-Macedonian rule, Egyptian warriors seem to have mostly been soldier-farmers forming a militia army. Towns mobilized militia in times of crisis and provided them for campaigns. Some soldier-farmers also served part-time garrison duty. Egyptians also served Persia as auxiliaries and marines during Persian occupation. Late period pharos also hired Greek hoplite mercenaries and rewarded them with land during the 26th dynasty (7th century). During later revolts, entire Greek forces intervened on behalf of the rebels. So even before Greek rule, Greek heavy infantry mercenaries served as the elite core of the Egyptian army while Egyptian warriors filled other roles.

• Auxiliaries

Early in the Ptolemaic dynasty, Egyptian soldiers only acted as garrison troops, police, and in other auxiliary roles rather than main military service. According to Europa Barbarorum, these machimoi were "armed with several javelins, a sword, and a shield, and armored with a light cuirass and mass-produced helmet." I do not know how historically accurate that panoply is. It's likely that Egyptian auxiliaries mostly acted as local variations of peltastai or thureophoroi. There is are also some mention of Egyptians using missile weapons, which could easily refer to javelins or bows.

• Regulars

In the leadup to the Battle of Raphia, Ptolemy IV allowed Egyptians to serve in the regular army due to a manpower shortage. The historical record indicates that these soldiers fought in Macedonian-style phalanxes. Their panoply is less certain later on, but probably follows the same pattern as their Greek counterparts. In the 2nd century BC, kleruchoi are known to include Egyptians as well as Greeks, and some of those Egyptians served as cavalry.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

This the old times where they used Chariot as regular unit.

http://www.ancientmilitary.com/ancient-egypt-military.htm

[Lion.Kanzen]

The blades...

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The kopis sword was a one-handed weapon. Early examples had a blade length of up to 65 cm, making it almost equal in size to the spatha. Later Macedonian examples tended to be shorter with a blade length of about 48 cm. The kopis had a single-edged blade that pitched forward towards the point, the edge being concave on the part of the sword nearest the hilt, but swelling to convexity towards the tip. This shape, often termed "recurved", distributes the weight in such a way that the kopis was capable of delivering a blow with the momentum of an axe, whilst maintaining the long cutting edge of a sword and some facility to execute a thrust. Some scholars have claimed an Etruscan origin for the sword, as such swords have been found as early as the 7th century BC in Etruria.^[4]

The kopis is often compared to the contemporary Iberian falcata and the more recent, and shorter, Nepalese kukri. The word itself is a Greek feminine singular noun. The difference in meaning between kopis and makhaira (μάχαιρα, another Greekword, meaning "chopper" or "short sword", "dagger") is not entirely clear in ancient texts,^[5] but modern specialists tend to discriminate between single-edged cutting swords, those with a forward curve being classed as kopides, those without as makhairai.^[6]

 

[soloooy0]

Las espadas iberas son un tema diferente y que no tiene nada que ver con el ptl aun que seria interesante ver esa espada o unidades con espada en el ptlo bueno me voy un rato xao

Falcata espada diseñada especificamente para el comprador soldado de elite 

gladius hispanensis espada regular de los iberos mas barata y fabricada en serie ¿se hacia todo sin molde completo se puede decir en serie?

Edited July 22, 2017 by soloooy0

[Lion.Kanzen]

Es difícil para el mundo antiguo tener estándares como los del mundo moderno industrializado.

 

exactamente a qué vienen las espadas?