causative Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) I made some multiplayer rankings. This is a help when setting up games, to decide if teams are fair. First, these rankings depend on replays (specifically, metadata.json files). If you'd like to improve or expand these ratings, zip up all your a21 replays and send them to me! Check https://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/GameDataPaths to find where they are on your computer. I have revised these rankings several times as I get more data and improved methods. See the spoiler below for the rest of the original post, with the original rankings. Spoiler My procedure: I ran a script on my replays directory parsing the metadata.json for each replay. Games that lasted under 2 minutes, or that weren't multiplayer, were excluded. Each player was given a customized score: enemy units killed value * 5 + resources harvested (carnivore food counted as 50%) + 2 * trade income. I think this score is fairly decent at giving the player's effectiveness in most games. Enemy units killed is the most important stat, the team doing more of this usually wins. Trade is more important than other resource gathering, because it gathers the resources that are most needed. Each player was considered to have "beaten" other players on their own team, if their score in that game is higher. Players were not compared to players on the opposing team, because being on the winning/losing team artificially inflates/decreases your score due to the action of your teammates, and I didn't want that to influence the results. If you were within 20% of another player's score, then both you and the other player were considered to be tied (each recorded as beating the other). The raw score however is only useful for comparing players within the same game. To compare them across games, it's necessary to use a rating system. I initially tried rating players by a variant of the FIDE tournament performance rating formula, but it didn't work well; some good players were rated below 1200 because they had lost to other good players, and some noobs were rated very high because they had beaten a few other noobs. So I tried another system of my own design. First, the players are ranked 1 to 346, initially in a random order. Each player is given an additional loss to the best player they beat; this ensures no player has a 100% win rate. Wins and losses are exponentially weighted by ranking; a win to player #1 (the assumed best player) is worth 10x as much as a win to player #346, and a loss to player #346 (the assumed worst player) is considered 10x as bad as a loss to player #1. Each player gets a weighted win/loss ratio. On the basis of these ratios, the ranking is recalculated, so the highest ratio player is now #1 and the worst is #346 etc. I repeated this 100 times to get the final ranking. The result follows, from best to worst. Players are indented a number of spaces equal to 10 minus how many games they played (that I had replays of). Those with 10 or more games have the most reliable rankings and are at the left margin, so they are easy to spot. Those with 3 or fewer games have an arrow followed by the list of players they beat. I did that so that you can see why some relatively unknown players have high rankings; many of them beat well known high ranked players. However, there are a few weaker players at the top; mo, Trapast, and leite don't belong that high. Perhaps with more data or by tweaking the algorithm I can fix that. Rankings are more trustworthy for players with more games played. Remember that this is a work in progress, so don't get mad if you aren't where you think you should be! Spoiler mo ==> MW ibos Trapast Trapast ==> _kali Squider MW ibos mo Feldfeld leite ==> Please Felixgg theSkydiv3r alexis85 borg- Jake_DA_snake ==> Liberty Dizaka mord ragnarlothbrok _zoro_ ==> diogenes Tauriel fpre Hannibal_Barca Boudica wang_wei ==> ffm luzbel maxticatrix nebkas kjager elexis3 causative urlens Tango_ Burger_III ==> skordobamias Emperior lapatiencos xPlague causative LeRoiScorpion bigcam87 ==> chrstgtr tony3 bbleft Merov ==> iApprove Khosrov Boudica Barbarian equilibrium ==> Dizaka bbleft drunkadius prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX Thug_Julius ==> Grugnas mapkoc borg- WilsonWilson LongKnob ==> Dizaka borg- LeRoiScorpion ==> xPlague Burger_III causative Boudica Last_AssassiN Liberty temple Hannibal_Barca JC_TRUMP_WorldsParteners ==> siole Imarok3 elexis4 betam BurgerII ==> CristinaM causative Emperior shade11 Grugnas Savxc1 txoz12 ==> agricola mord Grugnas fpre gabicus ==> causative mapkoc causative zztop ==> julleplayer causative drunkadius Emperior mapkoc Chief_Pino ==> GranCesar Donnie bbleft Elvith92 causative Reaperisonline ==> temple bbleft mapkoc Savxc1 GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro tony3 nigel87 Uran238cz lapatiencos Zickology kjager LeGenDz ==> META-BARONS kabaka lapatiencos fpre HerkEule ==> fpre META-BARONS bbleft KunstRaucher ==> Icetea palank_svn maxticatrix Cesar Lautaros equilizer palank_svn BurgerExpress ==> Merkel4.0 kjager PhyZic ==> Cesar nigel87 fpre META-BARONS Dakara Grugnas kulbec Sargon ==> Gaius_Claudius causative GlenRunciter ==> chrstgtr causative PrincipalityOfZeon mottek ==> franksy07 Franksy iApprove franksy07 Squider ==> _kali bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative shookees ==> causative soloooyo Grugnas Emperior kjager Ivaylo_Uzunov PTK.JAEM ==> merlin1 chrstgtr PrincipalityOfZeon _kali equilizer pesem META-BARONS Achelao ==> Lmmzios Zickology Loz_OP BaronVonDrai causative phoenixdesk 9025201729 kristian iApprove Mr.Harry ==> rettinger Johnyyyyy causative Emperior xXBlitzXx ==> bbleft BurstNight JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners skordobamias ==> Emperior gabrielpotumati Emperior elexis4 ==> siole Imarok3 chrstgtr nebkas ==> luzbel maxticatrix kjager elexis3 causative _kali Dizaka merlin1 maxticatrix santa AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative elexis3 ==> luzbel maxticatrix nebkas kjager causative samba ==> PhyZic nigel87 iApprove mord Khosrov imrobbyg ==> leper_ causative iApprove majk vont BurstNight ==> bbleft xXBlitzXx kizitom Tauriel90 ==> mord kristian siole luzbel ==> maxticatrix nebkas kjager elexis3 shade11 ElCid ==> causative Lautaros ==> Cesar equilizer Kabir ==> LongWolf Emperior PrincipalityOfZeon Flood ==> chrstgtr mongolracer ==> mord PrincipalityOfZeon WarriorSpartan echotangoecho ==> andy5995 maxticatrix devnull Donnie noobie ==> Donnie Donnie causative bbleft Tiber7 ==> META-BARONS equilizer causative Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft Balazz ==> kulbec Laro ==> Emperior Franksyy ==> Dakara Dizaka MacWolf Franksy DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie snelius ==> Dizaka bbleft drunkadius ==> Dizaka bbleft Emperior Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser THEKIM ==> causative xerxes798 ibos ==> mord SNZ MW gabrielpotumati mitchvanderkort ==> pesem Sebajk7 jake1 lucas2vc ==> wikizd gabrielpotumati shade11 Odyssey ==> chrstgtr LongWolf ==> causative WarriorSpartan bbleft KaiserlichKaiser ==> pastglory nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto Derpface420 DEWA bb ==> 9025201729 franksy07 ==> mottek Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy xxleite Merkel4.0 ==> causative kabaka thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord soloooyo sckt ==> causative Leto_II_Atreides ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Donnie caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 Imarok3 ==> siole xerxes798 temik5 ==> chrstgtr moe__ ==> maxticatrix Cesar pablek2 ==> Cesar lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel phoenixdesk Tauriel Chrisf1 ==> rettinger MacWolf Rekinator Mercy ycswyw frode ==> Mercy kizitom Eurakles xPlague Monouga ==> xerxes798 themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 rettinger ==> Johnyyyyy MacWolf Chrisf1 Please ==> leite Artaxshacha ==> _Prometheus_ josua mord vont ==> majk imrobbyg Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo Reece_Leader ==> Franksy Ptolemy ==> Satadhanvan Haxamanish Marcus Haxamanish ==> Satadhanvan Ptolemy Marcus Marcus ==> Satadhanvan Haxamanish Ptolemy Hispania ==> Emperior jekajo ==> Dcater07 zozef83 Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo craqqy ==> Emperior die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 er_titi92 ==> Tauriel FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat Dakara ==> META-BARONS PTK.SirTopito ==> Dizaka zozef83 ==> Lmmzios jekajo alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r WilsonWilson baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong brightlight ==> vont caesar_salad ==> Mercy SNZ ==> mord BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger KoftaTheGreat ==> mord Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis miguelfigueras ==> marxod Alfredo1988 nestoreliseoortiz ==> temple CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 Alfredo1988 ==> miguelfigueras AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ Krakan ==> Burubar kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz ictvrexaragon ==> mord Temis ==> bosto Aramis ==> Just_XnR Just_XnR ==> Aramis rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero SySy78112 ==> teymyro Hendies ==> benz96 benz96 ==> Hendies nimu1999 ==> JacooB qweqaz1 ==> mike82 Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai mike82 ==> qweqaz1 AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l mrapattoni ==> JPG melpin ==> fellype sinfle ==> maximux001 CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 LordHoi3 ==> masterbj josua ==> _Prometheus_ Meles ==> Pjys Diggy ==> Nichu theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg jake1 ==> Sebajk7 wikizd ==> gaab96 ddsg ==> peterserrano baguette ==> BARK joaoneves98 ==> EcologicEnd yokin09 ==> El_Wachito TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu mvdiogo Gernehard ==> amoralisch jamsong ==> hamalama lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ablasb22 ==> armada yunk2 ==> marcos456 zecabottene ==> Platino brunoagis ==> WGold gonzalo12 ==> consul ==> LordCesar ==> Dunedan ==> JuliusSeizure ==> SNOWpope ==> Hannibal ==> Simon737 ==> ReaRavenclaw ==> JeanClown ==> JacooB ==> Dmax12 ==> _Viriathus_ ==> MW ==> Hellion ==> bosto ==> JeanClaude ==> Dcater07 ==> pierrot80000 ==> Eich ==> marxod ==> LegacyofAtlas ==> julleplayer ==> jaguar2 ==> meiyo ==> 7annaba3l ==> Lmmzios YuriWhite ==> gaboogames ==> Player ffm ==> bizon1141 ==> fateras ==> graysprayer ==> GranCesar ==> Karos ==> kder ==> Gaius_Claudius ==> Eurakles ==> Elgranmagno ==> erka ==> i44 ==> _Prometheus_ ==> Felixgg ==> fellype ==> NiciusLP ==> dandan_anaconda ==> ellaguno ==> Sebajk7 ==> pepitoex123456 ==> jaguar ==> majk ==> leper_ ==> JPG ==> Makac ==> r4pt0r ==> Pjys ==> BARK ==> hadi ==> Freakadelle ==> adrian_martin15 ==> Yellowtailfillet ==> El_Wachito ==> masterbj ==> jacobm196 ==> Burubar ==> andy5995 ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov ==> Nichu ==> Califourchette ==> H2OLordMike ==> jammer ==> _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> Alfredito123 ==> Razo ==> KoTeaKa ==> random301 ==> peterserrano ==> jose44 ==> hamalama ==> CommandantI. ==> EcologicEnd ==> ardeshir9 ==> Gvozdziu ==> adeldjahnine ==> pastglory ==> amoralisch ==> gaab96 ==> lamuska ==> Tijmen_ ==> diogenes ==> Icetea ==> gorans ==> Satadhanvan ==> marioxcc ==> Theheiferking ==> sirdark29 ==> clive_williams ==> evilconan ==> binouufe ==> OLHOdeDEUS ==> armada ==> marcos456 ==> migu3l9393 ==> agricola ==> Lord_Boofington ==> Elvith92 ==> smooth ==> Zvenoss ==> Peterov ==> rvp ==> slobondaknob ==> Platino ==> Thorminator1891 ==> ElGitano ==> WGold ==> PabloXX ==> maximux001 ==> And here's the updated list with all the changes and extra data so far. This updated list was generated by the following process: Start with replays: mine, Feldfeld's, mapkoc's, Hannibal_Barca's, and temple's. Filter out single player games, games with AI players, pizza games, survival of the fittest, games with a matchID that was already processed, games under 200 seconds long Map each player name to a canonical player name, according to a list of known aliases. For example, "Please" is mapped to "JC". Score players in each multiplayer game according to 5*(enemy units killed value) + (resources harvested) + 2 * (trade income) Each team on a multiplayer game is converted into a set of 1v1 matches between players on the same team, the winner of the match being the player with the higher custom score. However, if two players on the same team have custom scores within 20% of each other, each player is recorded as beating the other. 1v1 games are also included. Feed these matches into a WHR (Whole History Rating) algorithm, with rating variance set to 10 per day. This gives every player a rating. Determine player "Strengths" such that the sum of strengths on a team predicts which team wins. It is assumed/required that higher rated players have higher strengths. A set of strengths that minimizes prediction errors is found through random search, and then normalized to a 0-5 scale. Note that these strengths are not very strong predictors; just rough estimates. Strength categories are displayed as headings, e.g. those under the ===== 4 - 5 ===== heading have a strength between 4 and 5. Players are listed in order of decreasing rating. Players are indented a number of spaces equal to 10 - the number of multiplayer games they played. If a player is indented, distrust their ranking. Players with 3 or fewer games are followed by a list of players they have scored higher than, so you can see whether their rank is reasonable (often not). A bar is printed at the left margin to prevent line wraps from confusing the rankings. Players who have never outscored anyone are excluded from the list, to save space. Known aliases are printed at the end. Spoiler ====== 4 - 5 ====== ┃Feldfeld ┃ betam ┃ _Arkantos_ ==> vont mitchvanderkort mapkoc mitchvanderkort mapkoc ┃borg- ┃WW_Butcher ┃Barbarian ┃ urlens ┃ skery ==> johnnybine Emperior mapkoc ┃PhyZic ┃ LongKnob ┃Merov ┃wang_wei ┃Liberty ┃ Nerd ==> Isfador1 maxticatrix Feldfeld ┃arcadius ┃JorgeGijon ┃ WarriorSpartan ┃_zoro_ ┃ lucas2vc ┃KunstRaucher ┃Boudica ┃MacWolf ┃Vercingetorix_ ┃ palank ==> Grugnas Cesar_SVN LongKnob ┃ GummionkelchenIsBack ┃ luzbel ┃ borgsvn ==> Hannibal_Barca Cesar ┃ GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro ┃ prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX ┃ imrobbyg ┃JC ┃ pag ┃mapkoc ┃Grugnas ┃ xCelsius ==> Danilo009 Feldfeld ┃tony3 ┃ Tango_ ┃ Anders ==> Dade borg- Grugnas ┃Achelao ┃ TheJumper ==> Vercingetorix_ woodyfly mapkoc ┃Finch ┃ragnarlothbrok ┃nigel87 ┃fpre ┃ heyhoy ==> Hannibal_Barca dkaiser92 borg- ┃ testudo ==> Lmmzios thisissparta samba Briss PrincipalityOfZeon samba Italy LoserT samba ┃ T-850 ==> marxod DEWA gabrielpotumati ┃moe__ ┃Hannibal_Barca ┃temple ┃ leite ==> JC Felixgg theSkydiv3r alexis85 ┃ Smurf_Juice ==> _zoro_ ┃ gabicus ==> causative mapkoc ┃ HirnWolf ┃ mottek ==> franksy07 Franksy iApprove franksy07 ┃ shouthell ==> POCHAN treegb2 ┃ Bissau ==> maxticatrix fpre Grugnas ┃ Marcitos123 ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx cooon ┃ cooon ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx Marcitos123 ┃Savxc1 ┃ LeGenDz ┃Reaperisonline ┃ cidkortez ==> mapkoc ┃ kristian ┃ Zickology ┃ Vik4e ==> palank_svn Uran238cz Odyssey ┃ Michinixen ==> Feldfeld ┃ Sh4d0w3rPL ┃META-BARONS ┃ar4f29 ┃ DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie ┃Valerianis ┃causative ┃ borg ==> agricola mord Grugnas xdgamer Hannibal_Barca ┃ jeremias ==> suhendi lapatiencos Franksy ┃Last_AssassiN ┃ Sargon ==> Gaius_Claudius causative ┃ pablek2 ==> Cesar ShadowOfAzrael43 samba Kudriy mike82 ┃ Chief_Pino ==> Elvith92 causative ┃ Panagiotis ==> DHMHTRHS Last_AssassiN chrstgtr ronaldo55 mapkoc ┃equilibrium ┃ HerkEule ==> fpre META-BARONS ┃merlin1 ┃TheLegendary ┃kizitom ┃ Asbasnowe ==> Stlab sl0w MacWolf ┃ OmenTheGreat ==> Mercy ┃palank_svn ┃ Sergio_the_Great ┃ jose44 ==> PabloDF gustavosiper1 Ysey2.0 ┃Uran238cz ┃ Mg ==> samba Biradin88 ┃siole ┃ HansLanda ==> mapkoc Feldfeld ┃kjager ┃ TUMA ┃bbleft ┃ HaSi ==> ClemHD Liberty Cesar Karrlito cloni ┃ sirjames ==> KillerZ mapkoc ┃ffm ┃ sentado ==> Cesar kjager Merov ┃ achilles.. ==> bb Grugnas ShadowOfAzrael43 Echendra truongap Rhay ┃ RomuloSinRemo ==> Grugnas arcadius ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃ Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis ┃GlenRunciter ┃Emperior ┃Mr.Harry ┃ bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative ┃chrstgtr ====== 3 - 4 ====== ┃elexis2 ┃lapatiencos ┃ Imarok ==> forelle213 ultac OptimusShepard ultac ┃ _kali ┃maxticatrix ┃devnull ┃ dar ==> Hannibal_Barca siole ┃ fake Hannibal ┃ Hato ==> Franksy Last_AssassiN yashbanka123 Hannibal_Barca ┃ Etawin ┃ treegb2 ==> POCHAN maxtsag2405 Benstriker Grugnas ┃ nebkas ┃ Thug_Julius ┃Mercy ┃ Biradin88 ==> samba threefour ho TUMA ┃ Lazar ==> ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ┃ Heimejebu ==> Grugnas samba ┃iApprove ┃pesem ┃snelius ┃Dizaka ┃ caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague xXPresidenteXx mord maxticatrix chrstgtr ┃ lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking Theheiferking ┃ Flood ==> chrstgtr bottle ┃ Yankee ==> mapkoc ┃ caesar_salad ==> Mercy Fatoni cb3001 betam Feldfeld ┃ Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo ┃ Demosthene ==> afarre DEWA mapkoc ┃Merkel4.0 ┃ mitchvanderkort ┃ Jordi_Iranzo93 ==> chrstgtr Arthuryus ┃ Arthuryus ==> chrstgtr Jordi_Iranzo93 ┃echotangoecho ┃ Gummionkelchen ==> Aramis SPQR BourbonKid darkent657 ┃ Gontier ==> shookees Grugnas fpre ┃ Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser KnightDOOM ┃ Tiber7 ┃ Laro ==> Emperior ┃ babybushido ==> sentado ┃ sl0w ==> Stlab Asbasnowe MacWolf ┃PrincipalityOfZeon ┃ Deidal ==> woodyfly SirGeorgar ertxu MW ┃samba ┃ Lautaros ==> Cesar equilibrium melpin ┃bb ┃ Dunedan ┃ baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong ┃ dkaiser92 ┃shookees ┃Franksy ┃ xxleite ┃ ElCid ==> causative ┃ ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃ jaguar ┃ MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft ┃gabrielpotumati ┃rettinger ┃ Bizza ┃ Ysey2.0 ┃ zecabottene ==> Platino ┃ sinfle ==> maximux001 ┃ ddsg ==> peterserrano ┃ rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite ┃ Lapiru ==> Silent_SiNNer ┃ AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda ┃ wesono ==> Husiman ┃ matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 ┃ AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ ┃ AlexandreLeGrand_FR ┃ deedook ==> -(MG)-Pakuito. falkartis ┃ Khosrov ┃ ChillerView ==> Mercy pesem ┃ TomStrongPT ==> Lmmzios Mercy ┃ kabaka ┃ Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas ┃ Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy RAJGA98 ┃ BRSERK ==> Cesar ┃ Ser3195 ==> Grugnas Cesar ItzKenPvP ┃ ploco ==> enlil xerxes798 ┃9025201729 ┃ diocarli ==> Mr.Harry ====== 2 - 3 ====== ┃Odyssey ┃ SaltySeyi ┃ TurboBurger ==> META-BARONS ┃ Some_Old_Dude ==> Grugnas borg- ┃ TheSelousScout ==> StaticBrain DirtMunchers ┃ DirtMunchers ==> StaticBrain TheSelousScout ┃ Benstriker ==> maxtsag2405 treegb2 ┃ cringegod ==> Cobex ratboy ┃ ratboy ==> Cobex cringegod ┃ kulbec ┃ alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r ┃ Squider ==> _kali ┃ Domme98 ==> PabloXX ┃ zDiegoAC ==> Cesar ┃ GranCesar ==> Chrisf1 TheLegendary ┃ franksy07 ==> mottek ┃ auipga ==> tsoukaris02 frode ┃ ROMALI ==> RRDABMW bb ┃ ellaguno ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov Feldfeld ┃ KaiserlichKaiser ┃ hercules.. ┃ Imarok3 ==> siole ┃ Dade ==> JorgeGijon Hannibal_Barca ┃ sordidarchetype ==> mapkoc ┃ xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 caz ┃ SangoTwo ==> cloni Hannibal_Barca ┃ ffffffff ==> Monouga mapkoc ┃ Donnie ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Leto_II_Atreides ┃ Danecx ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo ┃ Rhay ==> Echendra truongap ┃ CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 ┃Kudriy ┃frode ┃ SK123SK ==> artas1340 ┃DEWA ┃ die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 ┃ Diggy ==> Nichu ┃ pastglory ==> Nichu afarre _zoro_ rettinger ┃ Cesar_SVN ┃ GoldenRocket ┃ Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo ┃ Krakan ==> Burubar ┃ Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ┃ worwuk2 ==> code5s POCHAN ┃ Temis ==> bosto ┃ santa ┃ FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat ┃ jekajo ┃ ablasb22 ==> armada ┃ Monouga ┃fatherbushido2 ┃ xPlague ┃shade11 ┃ gustavosiper1 ==> PabloDF Ysey2.0 ┃ JalpGJ ==> francisco1 Cesar Daniel121138 ┃ ultac ==> forelle213 Imarok OptimusShepard ┃ alekusu ┃ johnnybine ==> Emperior ┃ TRAX ==> Franksy ┃ high^ ==> fernan23 ┃ Hannibal_Baraq ┃ TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu ┃ POCHAN ┃ Balazz ==> kulbec ┃soloooyo ┃ juancojonioss ==> consulio ┃ Fatoni ==> caesar_salad ┃ mrapattoni ==> JPG ┃ Markopolo ==> 7annaba3l ┃ jamsong ==> hamalama ycswyw Grugnas ┃ Franksyy ┃ Dakara ┃ skordobamias ┃ ibos ==> mord SNZ MW ┃ elawi ==> saikling ┃ lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel ┃ LongWolf ==> bbleft SLACKADAB RamboFF DEWA ┃ Hthegreat ==> elexis2 ┃ winter1917 ┃ xims19 ==> Etawin ┃ thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord Lmmzios Lmmzios ┃ Gernehard ==> amoralisch ┃ SNOWpope ==> THEKIM ┃ Tarantino ==> pesem ┃ TurkishAirlines ┃ yaboy ==> x4my ┃ TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo ┃ brunoagis ==> WGold ┃ teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 ┃ x4my ==> yaboy ┃ SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag ┃ Ice_Cold_123 ==> Odyssey Tauriel ┃ zozef83 ┃ AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative ┃ fatherbushido ┃ KillerCavy ==> Cesar suhendi ┃ nimu1999 ==> JacooB ┃ wikizd ┃ Juan18 ==> Forgul tungdil ┃ tungdil ==> Forgul Juan18 ┃ Stlab ==> sl0w ┃ LaidBackPanda ==> salva3000 ┃ jonnyjg ==> Lmmzios ┃ Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger ┃ dannybc ==> Dozeur21 ┃ LordHoi3 ==> masterbj ┃ ilisos ==> Whacksmash ┃ ClemHD ┃ brightlight ┃ angelogenius ==> Odyssey ┃ DamyCoby ==> Bunny ┃ RoterGeneral ==> Spix krumpli90 ┃ycswyw ┃ firstlegion ==> SaltySeyi ┃ threefour ==> ho Odyssey ┃ Waggi66 ==> skordobamias Leto_II_Atreides ┃ KaukasHan ==> Orpheusus ┃ suhendi ==> THEKIM lapatiencos Franksy ┃ Karrlito ==> Cesar ┃Cesar ┃ themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 ┃ saikling ==> matiasfl Dunedan ┃ BawseGawde ==> Cesar ┃ OptimusShepard ==> ultac ┃ Paullzz ==> Last_AssassiN pesem ┃ vont ==> majk imrobbyg ┃ _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> pastry_lyre ┃ miguelfigueras ==> marxod ┃ diogenes ==> pessoa ┃ tonetml23 ==> brightlight ┃ Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l ┃ darkent657 ==> BourbonKid ┃ Leto_II_Atreides ┃ falkartis ==> -(MG)-Pakuito. ┃ Meles ==> Pjys ┃ nemo01 ==> ReaRavenclaw otrebor19 ┃ LoserT ==> Italy ┃ sckt ==> causative ┃xerxes798 ┃ Herr_Doctor ==> ycswyw ┃ Rekinator ┃ TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr ┃ Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans ┃ mongolracer ┃ BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP ┃ Waltz ==> SirGeorgar MW Lmmzios woodyfly ┃ MTT123 ==> consulio ┃consulio ┃ Just_XnR ==> Aramis SPQR MagRrath Ambassador_Petrus ┃ yourmother ==> BadBunny ┃ ho ==> threefour SerguiHellDragon ====== 1 - 2 ====== ┃ KoftaTheGreat ==> mord ┃ THEKIM ┃ Daniel121138 ==> francisco1 Cesar ┃ theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg ┃ ertxu ==> SirGeorgar MW Waltz Lmmzios SirGeorgar ┃ kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz ┃ Aramis ==> Just_XnR SPQR Just_XnR ycswyw ┃ javierroro2 ==> mord ┃ HKK ==> Cesar ┃ SNZ ==> mord ┃ SySy78112 ==> teymyro ┃ vladeo96 ==> Kudriy ┃ truongap ==> Echendra ┃Tauriel ┃ S.P.Q.R.pedromagno ==> Tribunus ┃ phoenixdesk ┃ pastry_lyre ==> Cesar ┃ mvdiogo ┃ PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ ┃ Rakerion ==> rickers ┃ qweqaz1 ==> mike82 ┃ MichaelMoore002 ==> Niqux chuckaboo ┃ chuckaboo ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 ┃ Djukic ==> consulio ┃ christianoo6 ==> Tauriel ┃ jake1 ==> Sebajk7 ┃ Chrisf1 ┃ nestoreliseoortiz ==> temple ┃ xFunkyx ==> mindinflow ┃ cesar123 ==> pesem ┃ Jannick1 ==> Frooog ┃ Eraser ==> palank_svn ┃ yunk2 ┃ CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 ┃7annaba3l ┃ Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz ┃ er_titi92 ==> Tauriel ┃ mike82 ==> qweqaz1 ┃ sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero ┃ yokin09 ==> El_Wachito ┃ Hendies ==> benz96 ┃ fatherbushido_svn ==> maxticatrix ┃ benz96 ==> Hendies ┃ Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai ┃mord ┃ peledebutoconunpibe ==> r4pt0r ┃ bizon1141 ┃ -(MG)-Pakuito. ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus ┃ Ambassador_Petrus ==> MagRrath ┃ MagRrath ==> Ambassador_Petrus ┃ RamboFF ==> SLACKADAB ┃ GoldboxXD ==> Grandolf ┃ WilsonWilson ┃ Ivaylo_Uzunov ┃ woodyfly ==> Lmmzios ┃ armada ==> shade11 ┃Lmmzios ┃ afarre ==> Nichu ┃ baguette ==> BARK ┃ otrebor19 ==> ReaRavenclaw ┃ bosto ┃ ictvrexaragon ==> mord ┃ SPQR ==> Aramis ┃ r4pt0r ====== 0 - 1 ====== ┃ MW ==> SirGeorgar SirGeorgar ertxu ┃ Chileno90 ┃ LordPain ==> bizon1141 ┃ Hispania ┃ Grandolf ==> GoldboxXD ┃sirdark29 Aliases: pesem=Trapast JC=smirno=Burger_III=Burger_II=BurgerII=BurgerExpress=JeanClaude=JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners=JC_TRUMP_WorldsParteners=zztop=Genskul=Please ragnarlothbrok=noobie WW_Butcher=defenderbenny moe__=mo PhyZic=spolia_opima GlenRunciter=meiyo Feldfeld=Attila2 equilibrium=equilizer borg=txoz12 Merov=Merosvn arcadius=drunkadius TheLegendary=LeRoiScorpion elexis2=elexis3=elexis4 Hannibal_Barca=fiji23 fake Hannibal=Hannibal_Barca Uran238cz=svnUran238cz=Uran23 Edited May 17, 2017 by causative 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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causative Posted May 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) Thank you! With Feldfeld's replays here are the updated rankings. I also tweaked it so that each player is counted for 2 extra losses against their best win, instead of 1 extra loss - this reduces the rank of certain players with a 100% win rate but few games. Spoiler borg- Feldfeld defenderbenny WW_Butcher Merov BurgerExpress wang_wei arcadius bigcam87 ==> chrstgtr tony3 bbleft BurgerII JeanClaude urlens temple Barbarian PhyZic Jake_DA_snake ==> Liberty Dizaka mord Boudica Liberty Vercingetorix_ _zoro_ Burger_III ==> skordobamias Emperior lapatiencos xPlague causative LeRoiScorpion Savxc1 causative KunstRaucher Grugnas JorgeGijon Tango_ imrobbyg betam mapkoc drunkadius Reaperisonline zztop ==> julleplayer causative drunkadius Emperior tony3 smirno ==> pag Grugnas bbleft Finch luzbel JC_TRUMP_WorldsParteners ==> siole Imarok3 elexis4 MacWolf Nerd ==> Isfador1 maxticatrix Feldfeld nigel87 Achelao maxticatrix Chief_Pino ==> GranCesar Donnie bbleft Elvith92 causative fpre Hannibal_Barca ragnarlothbrok Thug_Julius ==> Grugnas mapkoc borg- WilsonWilson prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX siole Trapast ==> _kali Squider MW ibos mo LongKnob ==> Dizaka borg- GummionkelchenIsBack ==> Feldfeld Grugnas siole maxticatrix gabicus ==> causative mapkoc META-BARONS Zickology LeRoiScorpion ==> xPlague Burger_III causative kjager GlenRunciter ==> chrstgtr causative PrincipalityOfZeon Darkonar skordobamias kulbec LeGenDz RomuloSinRemo ==> Grugnas arcadius Finch Lucius ShadowOfAzrael43 lapatiencos Emperior GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro iApprove Attila2 ==> chrstgtr PrincipalityOfZeon Last_AssassiN equilizer palank_svn mottek ==> franksy07 Franksy iApprove franksy07 nebkas ==> luzbel maxticatrix kjager elexis3 causative _kali Smurf_Juice ==> _zoro_ txoz12 ==> agricola mord Grugnas pag ==> Grugnas snelius Hannibal_Barca Etawin JeanClaude Vik4e ==> palank_svn Uran238cz Odyssey merlin1 _kali kizitom moe__ xCelsius ==> Danilo009 Feldfeld PTK.JAEM ==> merlin1 chrstgtr PrincipalityOfZeon HirnWolf ==> madc79 Grugnas Odyssey chrstgtr Uran238cz shookees mo ==> MW ibos Trapast Dizaka HansLanda ==> mapkoc Feldfeld elexis3 Panagiotis ==> DHMHTRHS Last_AssassiN chrstgtr ffm kristian hercules.. ==> fpre JorgeGijon chrstgtr Grugnas JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners ar4f29 HerkEule ==> fpre META-BARONS Michinixen ==> Feldfeld Mr.Harry PrincipalityOfZeon TUMA Sargon ==> Gaius_Claudius causative pablek2 ==> Cesar ShadowOfAzrael43 samba Kudriy Dunedan achilles.. ==> bb Grugnas ShadowOfAzrael43 Echendra truongap Rhay bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative spolia_opima ==> Chrisf1 Hannibal_Barca Bizza ==> soloooyo Franksy Hato Last_AssassiN samba Valerianis Mercy Heimejebu ==> Grugnas samba 9025201729 Khosrov Franksy TheLegendary Donnie devnull noobie ==> Donnie Donnie causative bbleft Ysey2.0 ==> wang_wei Cesar temik5 WarriorSpartan Kudriy MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft LongWolf ==> causative WarriorSpartan bbleft Tiber7 ShadowOfAzrael43 Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas Sh4d0w3rPL ==> maxticatrix Grugnas rettinger jaguar equilibrium ==> Tango_ Cesar Feldfeld pesem cesar123 palank_svn caesar_salad ==> Mercy Fatoni cb3001 betam Feldfeld bb Merkel4.0 pesem meiyo Odyssey gabrielpotumati kabaka Biradin88 ==> samba threefour ho TUMA Hannibal_Barca echotangoecho Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy Lautaros ==> Cesar equilizer melpin xxleite Mg ==> samba Biradin88 Franksyy ==> Dakara Dizaka ElCid ==> causative shade11 Jordi_Iranzo93 ==> chrstgtr Arthuryus Arthuryus ==> chrstgtr Jordi_Iranzo93 soloooyo elexis4 Dakara mongolracer ==> mord PrincipalityOfZeon skordobamias Laro ==> Emperior santa snelius Hato ==> Franksy Last_AssassiN Lucius ==> Finch AlexandreLeGrand_FR Squider ==> _kali ellaguno ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov Feldfeld ChillerView ==> Mercy pesem Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser Balazz ==> kulbec Flood ==> chrstgtr ycswyw jamsong ==> hamalama ycswyw Grugnas Tauriel90 ==> mord kristian Imarok3 ==> siole vont ==> majk imrobbyg KaiserlichKaiser ==> pastglory nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto Derpface420 franksy07 ==> mottek frode diocarli ==> Mr.Harry caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague sckt ==> causative DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie leite ==> Please Felixgg theSkydiv3r alexis85 Leto_II_Atreides ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Donnie ClemHD phoenixdesk THEKIM ==> causative Cesar Sergio_the_Great ==> Dakara Rekinator AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative Uran23 xerxes798 DEWA lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong Tauriel Ice_Cold_123 ==> Odyssey Tauriel Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo ibos ==> mord SNZ MW Etawin JalpGJ ==> francisco1 Cesar Daniel121138 thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord xPlague mitchvanderkort ==> pesem Sebajk7 jake1 mord consulio GranCesar ==> Chrisf1 TheLegendary xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 Haxamanish ==> Satadhanvan Ptolemy Marcus Ptolemy ==> Satadhanvan Haxamanish Marcus Marcus ==> Satadhanvan Haxamanish Ptolemy Reece_Leader ==> Franksy SaltySeyi ==> NurgestARG ClemHD teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 PTK.SirTopito ==> Dizaka Fatoni ==> caesar_salad threefour ==> ho Odyssey Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo Tarantino ==> pesem themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 Monouga ==> xerxes798 WilsonWilson 7annaba3l Chrisf1 Please ==> leite cesar123 ==> pesem nestoreliseoortiz ==> temple SNOWpope ==> THEKIM jekajo ==> Dcater07 zozef83 Artaxshacha ==> _Prometheus_ josua er_titi92 ==> Tauriel bizon1141 Waggi66 ==> skordobamias Herr_Doctor ==> ycswyw pastry_lyre ==> Cesar Daniel121138 ==> francisco1 Cesar zozef83 ==> Lmmzios jekajo die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 brightlight ==> vont KillerCavy ==> Cesar BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l HKK ==> Cesar nemo01 ==> ReaRavenclaw otrebor19 SNZ ==> mord Hispania alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat xims19 ==> Etawin KoftaTheGreat ==> mord MTT123 ==> consulio Rhay ==> Echendra truongap Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis dkaiser92 ==> equilibrium kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz mvdiogo SySy78112 ==> teymyro ho ==> threefour ictvrexaragon ==> mord lucas2vc ==> wikizd Djukic ==> consulio SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo Just_XnR ==> Aramis Aramis ==> Just_XnR TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 qweqaz1 ==> mike82 Krakan ==> Burubar Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ mike82 ==> qweqaz1 Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai benz96 ==> Hendies Hendies ==> benz96 sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ nimu1999 ==> JacooB Temis ==> bosto LordPain ==> bizon1141 rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite miguelfigueras ==> marxod Rakerion ==> rickers SK123SK ==> artas1340 AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda otrebor19 ==> ReaRavenclaw matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 josua ==> _Prometheus_ mrapattoni ==> JPG sinfle ==> maximux001 Diggy ==> Nichu Meles ==> Pjys theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg jake1 ==> Sebajk7 LordHoi3 ==> masterbj ddsg ==> peterserrano yokin09 ==> El_Wachito wikizd ==> gaab96 joaoneves98 ==> EcologicEnd baguette ==> BARK RoterGeneral ==> krumpli90 truongap ==> Echendra TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu Gernehard ==> amoralisch lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking xFunkyx ==> mindinflow Jannick1 ==> Frooog KaukasHan ==> Orpheusus Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ablasb22 ==> armada Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans yunk2 ==> marcos456 zecabottene ==> Platino brunoagis ==> WGold gonzalo12 ==> consul ==> LordCesar ==> JuliusSeizure ==> Hannibal ==> Simon737 ==> angelogenius ==> dima1111 ==> ReaRavenclaw ==> Darkonar ==> svegas ==> JeanClown ==> JacooB ==> Dmax12 ==> firstlegion ==> cb3001 ==> _Viriathus_ ==> MW ==> Hellion ==> rickers ==> bosto ==> Dcater07 ==> pierrot80000 ==> Eich ==> Velorum ==> marxod ==> craqqy ==> LegacyofAtlas ==> julleplayer ==> jaguar2 ==> Motane ==> LameAlot ==> Daghbaji ==> Gzuz187 ==> antek4312 ==> Lmmzios erka ==> YuriWhite ==> gaboogames ==> MDEIR ==> Player fatherbushido ==> fateras ==> MrHotDog99 ==> graysprayer ==> Karos ==> kder ==> Gaius_Claudius ==> slacker ==> migu3l9393 ==> Eurakles ==> Nila0305 ==> Labi123 ==> pablo006 ==> artas1340 ==> greenpower ==> Elgranmagno ==> Gvozdziu ==> Nasus ==> OmenTheGreat ==> i44 ==> _Prometheus_ ==> Felixgg ==> fellype ==> NiciusLP ==> dandan_anaconda ==> amoralisch ==> Sebajk7 ==> Madonna ==> Isfador1 ==> siedem95 ==> periklhs ==> User|Master ==> pepitoex123456 ==> majk ==> leper_ ==> JPG ==> Makac ==> Bindusara ==> melpin ==> TurkishAirlines ==> r4pt0r ==> Pjys ==> BARK ==> hadi ==> Freakadelle ==> adrian_martin15 ==> Yellowtailfillet ==> El_Wachito ==> masterbj ==> jacobm196 ==> Burubar ==> mindinflow ==> smooth ==> andy5995 ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov ==> Echendra ==> Nichu ==> Califourchette ==> temik5 ==> Marcus_Antonius ==> Cheatweed ==> Zvenoss ==> King_Jerusalem ==> H2OLordMike ==> krumpli90 ==> jammer ==> Danilo009 ==> Indibil ==> Icetea ==> _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> Alfredito123 ==> Razo ==> stierkampf ==> KoTeaKa ==> random301 ==> rvp ==> SangoTwo ==> peterserrano ==> jose44 ==> hamalama ==> CommandantI. ==> EcologicEnd ==> madc79 ==> ardeshir9 ==> adeldjahnine ==> pastglory ==> Pakuito ==> francisco1 ==> gaab96 ==> lamuska ==> Tijmen_ ==> diogenes ==> gorans ==> Satadhanvan ==> Orpheusus ==> en10 ==> marioxcc ==> Theheiferking ==> NurgestARG ==> KayAaraash ==> YehiaSatour ==> Frooog ==> sirdark29 philosopher ==> clive_williams ==> evilconan ==> binouufe ==> OLHOdeDEUS ==> armada ==> marcos456 ==> vektor ==> agricola ==> Dade ==> Lord_Boofington ==> christianoo6 ==> Elvith92 ==> Forgul ==> Peterov ==> espartaclon555 ==> slobondaknob ==> Platino ==> Thorminator1891 ==> PabloXX ==> ElGitano ==> DHMHTRHS ==> WGold ==> Hthegreat3 ==> maximux001 ==> Edited May 6, 2017 by causative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) This could be good but the game is full of smurfs, banned people and it's also a bit unrealistic in overall. For example trade shouldn't be really counted, some are great simmers at that. (or great abusers) (For more data see the a21 replays page's last few posts to get the link to my replays.) Also somehow i appear 3x in the list (not after arrows) Edited May 6, 2017 by Hannibal_Barca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldfeld Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Full of smurfs and banned people, yes, but best ranked ones are known i think. There are also smurfs that aren't kicked from 1v1 rankings too, furthermore 1v1 ranking is unrealistic in some way, too, since people that play more 1v1s will tend to have better ratings (without considering their actual level). A lot of players deserve being better ranked in 1v1s but they didn't play enough, so top 100 not only is full of inactive people (hence unrealistic considering their level is now not known), but with active players that remain low ranked because of lack of games. This multiplayer is unrealistic too indeed because sometimes stats aren't enough to assess one's help to the team, and because teams are already supposed to be balanced in pre-game balancing, that means that it is done in a way so that better players are seeded with weaker ones. One of the consequence is that some players are already supposed to be in top of their team from the beggining and won't face best players of opposing team. So from the lot of games i played, i was almost never in borg's team and hence almost never faced him (only when i started 0ad and one recent game i think). But i still think that in general this ranking tend to guess well reality, will be better if we remove known smurfs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 smurfs in this list: Trapast = pesem Please = smirno = Burger_III = Burger_II = BurgerExpress = JeanClaude = JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners ragnarlothbrok = noobie LeRoiScorpion = TheLegendary defenderbenny = WW_Butcher zztop = Please moe__ = mo spolia_opima = PhyZic GlenRunciter = meiyo equilibrium = equilizer elexis2 = elexis3 = elexis4 (red = banned) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causative Posted May 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) The name "Hannibal_Barca" appears twice in the list (not to the right of an arrow). The second time, your name is preceded by the unicode character U+200E which is a left-to-right mark, an invisible formatting character. No other player has that symbol in their name, so it's not a systematic bug in my code. Perhaps someone was cleverly impersonating you? Thanks for the list of aliases. I see you have zztop = Please = JC. Is zztop = JC? Also you have TheLegendary = LeRoiScorpion = Please, so that would merge those three lines together, i.e. Please = smirno = Burger_III = Burger_II = BurgerExpress = JeanClaude = JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners = LeRoiScorpion = TheLegendary = zztop Is that right? How certain are you of all these? zztop in particular has been around for quite a while. Thanks for the replays too. In the following list, I incorporated 4 changes. I added your replays, used a slightly abridged version of your smurf list, excluded pizza games, and added player strengths. The purpose of player strengths is so you can add up the player strengths on each team, and predict which team will win by which team has the larger sum of strengths. To find player strengths, I started with the ranked list of players, and randomly adjusted player strengths with the requirement that higher ranked players have to be stronger than lower ranked ones. If a random adjustment improves the accuracy of using strength to predict game outcomes, I keep it, otherwise I throw it away. At the end I scale the strengths to a 0-5 scale. I classified 224 out of 297 games (75%) correctly, using player strengths. So it's not super accurate, but perhaps it can serve as a rough guide for setting up teams. Note that betam is above borg- in these rankings, which is wrong, but he has a good record: he outscored Hannibal_Barca, causative, maxticatrix, Hannibal_Barca, causative, Eurakles, Feldfeld, cb3001, META-BARONS, Hannibal_Barca, and maxticatrix, while losing only to Feldfeld and caesar_salad. Spoiler ====== 4 - 5 ====== betam borg- Feldfeld PhyZic Genskul ==> KunstRaucher Cesar zDiegoAC borg- Barbarian _zoro_ JC luzbel WW_Butcher arcadius wang_wei KunstRaucher Boudica Tango_ drunkadius Vercingetorix_ WarriorSpartan ==> Mercy merlin1 gabrielpotumati Boudica causative urlens imrobbyg Merov Savxc1 JorgeGijon Grugnas siole Liberty zztop ==> julleplayer causative drunkadius Emperior HirnWolf ==> madc79 Grugnas Odyssey Merov Hannibal_Barca elexis2 temple MacWolf Hannibal_Barca mapkoc tony3 GummionkelchenIsBack fpre nigel87 Finch Reaperisonline Achelao pag svnUran238cz Nerd ==> Isfador1 maxticatrix Feldfeld prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX borgsvn ==> Hannibal_Barca Cesar ragnarlothbrok Thug_Julius ==> Grugnas mapkoc borg- WilsonWilson Zickology Sergio_the_Great ==> Dakara afarre Demosthene Uran238cz Anders ==> Dade borg- Grugnas LeGenDz lapatiencos kjager Bissau ==> maxticatrix fpre Grugnas maxticatrix Last_AssassiN LongKnob ==> elexis2 Hannibal_Barca bb Hannibal_Barca Dizaka LeRoiScorpion ==> xPlague JC causative gabicus ==> causative mapkoc Sh4d0w3rPL merlin1 ffm META-BARONS kizitom moe__ Etawin HaSi ==> ClemHD Liberty Cesar Karrlito _kali Smurf_Juice ==> _zoro_ equilibrium Attila2 ==> chrstgtr PrincipalityOfZeon ar4f29 Emperior GlenRunciter Valerianis elexis2 bbleft GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro txoz12 ==> agricola mord Grugnas xdgamer Hannibal_Barca chrstgtr palank_svn nebkas Vik4e ==> palank_svn Uran238cz Odyssey Panagiotis ==> DHMHTRHS Last_AssassiN chrstgtr caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague mord maxticatrix chrstgtr mottek ==> franksy07 Franksy iApprove franksy07 Uran238cz TheLegendary devnull kulbec xCelsius ==> Danilo009 Feldfeld Hato ==> Franksy Last_AssassiN yashbanka123 Hannibal_Barca Dizaka Bizza bb pesem Mercy HansLanda ==> mapkoc Feldfeld iApprove HerkEule ==> fpre META-BARONS Lazar ==> ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ycswyw Hannibal_Barca Franksy Dunedan Cesar_SVN ====== 3 - 4 ====== Sargon ==> Gaius_Claudius causative TUMA Merkel4.0 achilles.. ==> bb Grugnas ShadowOfAzrael43 Echendra truongap Rhay Gontier ==> shookees Grugnas fpre dar ==> Hannibal_Barca siole Michinixen ==> Feldfeld Mr.Harry bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative mitchvanderkort PrincipalityOfZeon Chief_Pino ==> Elvith92 causative frode hercules.. ==> fpre JorgeGijon chrstgtr Grugnas Hispania Tiber7 pablek2 ==> Cesar ShadowOfAzrael43 samba Kudriy shookees Khosrov sentado ==> Cesar kjager Merov RomuloSinRemo ==> Grugnas arcadius ShadowOfAzrael43 Merosvn ==> sentado babybushido fiji23 ==> Zahnfee devnull Grugnas danielkulka echotangoecho Hannibal_Barca Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas 9025201729 Heimejebu ==> Grugnas samba caesar_salad ==> Mercy Fatoni cb3001 betam Feldfeld snelius jaguar Odyssey samba kristian kabaka ShadowOfAzrael43 Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy Ser3195 ==> Grugnas Cesar ItzKenPvP fatherbushido2 MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft Lautaros ==> Cesar equilibrium melpin rettinger Biradin88 ==> samba threefour ho TUMA POCHAN ==> rettinger META-BARONS ycswyw jose44 ==> PabloDF gustavosiper1 Ysey2.0 xxleite Ysey2.0 ==> wang_wei Cesar temik5 PabloDF gustavosiper1 ChillerView ==> Mercy pesem SaltySeyi Jordi_Iranzo93 ==> chrstgtr Arthuryus Arthuryus ==> chrstgtr Jordi_Iranzo93 shade11 ElCid ==> causative Hannibal_Baraq Franksyy ==> Dakara Dizaka AlexandreLeGrand_FR Dakara Cesar gabrielpotumati fatherbushido Kudriy Uran23 Mg ==> samba Biradin88 Imarok3 ==> siole GranCesar ==> Chrisf1 TheLegendary mongolracer ==> mord PrincipalityOfZeon santa Squider ==> _kali ycswyw Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser Laro ==> Emperior Dade ==> JorgeGijon Hannibal_Barca soloooyo Flood ==> chrstgtr KaiserlichKaiser ==> pastglory nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto Derpface420 ellaguno ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov Feldfeld skordobamias jamsong ==> hamalama ycswyw Grugnas Gummionkelchen ==> Aramis SPQR BourbonKid darkent657 Imarok ==> forelle213 ultac OptimusShepard ultac dkaiser92 vont ==> majk imrobbyg LongWolf ==> bbleft SangoTwo ==> cloni Hannibal_Barca Balazz ==> kulbec leite ==> Please Felixgg theSkydiv3r alexis85 DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie diocarli ==> Mr.Harry THEKIM ==> causative ClemHD Rekinator franksy07 ==> mottek xims19 ==> Etawin babybushido ==> sentado Hthegreat ==> elexis2 AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative JalpGJ ==> francisco1 Cesar Daniel121138 TRAX ==> Franksy lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel sckt ==> causative baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong xerxes798 Ice_Cold_123 ==> Odyssey Tauriel xPlague consulio Tauriel Tarantino ==> pesem BRSERK ==> Cesar TurkishAirlines ibos ==> mord SNZ MW gustavosiper1 ==> PabloDF Ysey2.0 Donnie ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Leto_II_Atreides thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord charleeprooo Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo mord xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 Aramis ==> Just_XnR SPQR Just_XnR ycswyw zDiegoAC ==> Cesar Just_XnR ==> Aramis SPQR MagRrath Ambassador_Petrus 7annaba3l Fatoni ==> caesar_salad teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 threefour ==> ho Odyssey Leto_II_Atreides ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Donnie ultac ==> forelle213 Imarok OptimusShepard nestoreliseoortiz ==> temple Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 Chrisf1 jekajo ==> Dcater07 zozef83 Monouga ==> xerxes798 zozef83 ==> Lmmzios jekajo Please ==> leite Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger firstlegion SNOWpope ==> THEKIM angelogenius ==> Odyssey WilsonWilson BawseGawde ==> Cesar Karrlito ==> Cesar ====== 2 - 3 ====== Markopolo ==> 7annaba3l KillerCavy ==> Cesar DEWA Daniel121138 ==> francisco1 Cesar HKK ==> Cesar juancojonioss ==> consulio Lmmzios cesar123 ==> pesem Herr_Doctor ==> ycswyw er_titi92 ==> Tauriel bizon1141 Eraser ==> palank_svn Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l pastry_lyre ==> Cesar Waggi66 ==> skordobamias brightlight ==> vont die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 vladeo96 ==> Kudriy BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP MTT123 ==> consulio SNZ ==> mord nemo01 ==> ReaRavenclaw otrebor19 FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat KoftaTheGreat ==> mord alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r mvdiogo kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz Rhay ==> Echendra truongap Juan18 ==> Forgul tungdil tungdil ==> Forgul Juan18 OptimusShepard ==> ultac Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis Hispania _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> pastry_lyre SySy78112 ==> teymyro ho ==> threefour Djukic ==> consulio ictvrexaragon ==> mord SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr lucas2vc ==> wikizd lazyreece ==> Trevizan97 Trevizan97 ==> lazyreece pastglory ==> Nichu afarre CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 qweqaz1 ==> mike82 SPQR ==> Aramis Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai mike82 ==> qweqaz1 PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ MagRrath ==> Ambassador_Petrus benz96 ==> Hendies Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz Hendies ==> benz96 sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ Ambassador_Petrus ==> MagRrath Demosthene ==> afarre LordPain ==> bizon1141 nimu1999 ==> JacooB Temis ==> bosto rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite miguelfigueras ==> marxod Rakerion ==> rickers otrebor19 ==> ReaRavenclaw SK123SK ==> artas1340 ilisos ==> Whacksmash AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 LaidBackPanda ==> salva3000 matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 darkent657 ==> BourbonKid mrapattoni ==> JPG Diggy ==> Nichu Meles ==> Pjys Krakan ==> Burubar jake1 ==> Sebajk7 theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg LordHoi3 ==> masterbj baguette ==> BARK ddsg ==> peterserrano high^ ==> fernan23 yokin09 ==> El_Wachito RoterGeneral ==> krumpli90 truongap ==> Echendra diogenes ==> pessoa Gernehard ==> amoralisch lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking xFunkyx ==> mindinflow phoenixdesk -(MG)-Pakuito. ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus KaukasHan ==> Orpheusus wesono ==> Husiman Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ablasb22 ==> armada Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans zecabottene ==> Platino wikizd ==> gaab96 afarre ==> Nichu yunk2 ==> marcos456 Domme98 ==> PabloXX sinfle ==> maximux001 Jannick1 ==> Frooog brunoagis ==> WGold gonzalo12 ==> consul ==> LordCesar ==> FavelaBoy ==> JuliusSeizure ==> Hannibal ==> TheRolle ==> Simon737 ==> varys ==> jungleboyk ==> dima1111 ==> ReaRavenclaw ==> Darkonar ==> svegas ==> Atho ==> JacooB ==> Dmax12 ==> PTK.JAEM ==> _Viriathus_ ==> MW ==> Hellion ==> ====== 1 - 2 ====== PabloDF ==> rickers ==> low23 ==> Inkognito ==> bosto ==> Dcater07 ==> artas1340 ==> pierrot80000 ==> Grandolf ==> Eich ==> Velorum ==> marxod ==> craqqy ==> LegacyofAtlas ==> julleplayer ==> jaguar2 ==> Holsety ==> Motane ==> LameAlot ==> Daghbaji ==> mbm5 ==> cloni ==> antek4312 ==> erka ==> YuriWhite ==> gaboogames ==> MDEIR ==> Player molusco ==> equil ==> fateras ==> Gzuz187 ==> MrHotDog99 ==> graysprayer ==> BourbonKid ==> Whacksmash ==> kder ==> Gaius_Claudius ==> slacker ==> migu3l9393 ==> armada ==> Eurakles ==> Nila0305 ==> gidi21 ==> Labi123 ==> salva3000 ==> pablo006 ==> greenpower ==> Elgranmagno ==> Nasus ==> cb3001 ==> i44 ==> Felixgg ==> fellype ==> NiciusLP ==> hamalama ==> dandan_anaconda ==> amoralisch ==> Sebajk7 ==> Madonna ==> Isfador1 ==> siedem95 ==> periklhs ==> User|Master ==> Bichtiades ==> pepitoex123456 ==> majk ==> JPG ==> JeanClown ==> Makac ==> melpin ==> Pjys ==> BARK ==> hadi ==> Freakadelle ==> adrian_martin15 ==> Yellowtailfillet ==> El_Wachito ==> Zahnfee ==> fatherbushido_svn ==> masterbj ==> jacobm196 ==> PTK.SirTopito ==> Burubar ==> mindinflow ==> smooth ==> andy5995 ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov ==> Echendra ==> forelle213 ==> Nichu ==> Califourchette ==> temik5 ==> Marcus_Antonius ==> Cheatweed ==> OmenTheGreat ==> ====== 0 - 1 ====== King_Jerusalem ==> H2OLordMike ==> krumpli90 ==> jammer ==> danielkulka ==> Danilo009 ==> Indibil ==> Icetea ==> pessoa ==> espartaclon555 ==> Alfredito123 ==> fernan23 ==> stierkampf ==> random301 ==> rvp ==> worwuk2 ==> xdgamer ==> PROrion ==> peterserrano ==> CommandantI. ==> madc79 ==> ardeshir9 ==> Gvozdziu ==> adeldjahnine ==> Pakuito ==> francisco1 ==> gaab96 ==> DHMHTRHS ==> lamuska ==> Tijmen_ ==> yashbanka123 ==> burrito ==> gorans ==> Orpheusus ==> en10 ==> marioxcc ==> Theheiferking ==> NurgestARG ==> KayAaraash ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus ==> YehiaSatour ==> Frooog ==> sirdark29 philosopher ==> clive_williams ==> evilconan ==> knutmithut ==> OLHOdeDEUS ==> marcos456 ==> vektor ==> agricola ==> Husiman ==> ItzKenPvP ==> christianoo6 ==> Elvith92 ==> Forgul ==> Peterov ==> slobondaknob ==> Platino ==> Thorminator1891 ==> PabloXX ==> ElGitano ==> Hthegreat3 ==> WGold ==> YANES98 ==> maximux001 ==> I also tried your suggestion of leaving out trade from the score. I think trade is important in long games; the team with more trade usually wins in the end. But why not. Here's the no-trade list: Spoiler ====== 4 - 5 ====== betam borg- Feldfeld PhyZic Genskul ==> KunstRaucher Cesar zDiegoAC borg- Barbarian JC _zoro_ arcadius WW_Butcher wang_wei zztop ==> julleplayer causative Emperior drunkadius Dizaka luzbel KunstRaucher Tango_ Boudica Merov drunkadius Vercingetorix_ causative urlens Savxc1 siole Grugnas tony3 Hannibal_Barca mapkoc WarriorSpartan ==> Mercy merlin1 gabrielpotumati Boudica MacWolf HirnWolf ==> madc79 Grugnas Odyssey Merov Hannibal_Barca elexis2 temple fpre Finch imrobbyg Liberty Achelao GummionkelchenIsBack nigel87 JorgeGijon LongKnob ==> Hannibal_Barca elexis2 bb Hannibal_Barca Dizaka Cesar bb Reaperisonline Zickology pag svnUran238cz Nerd ==> Isfador1 maxticatrix Feldfeld borgsvn ==> Hannibal_Barca Cesar prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX kizitom kjager Anders ==> Dade borg- Grugnas Bissau ==> maxticatrix fpre Grugnas Last_AssassiN Thug_Julius ==> Grugnas mapkoc borg- WilsonWilson Sergio_the_Great ==> Dakara afarre Demosthene Uran238cz LeRoiScorpion ==> xPlague causative JC gabicus ==> causative mapkoc lapatiencos LeGenDz maxticatrix Sh4d0w3rPL ragnarlothbrok Emperior META-BARONS bbleft caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague mord maxticatrix chrstgtr nebkas _kali GlenRunciter palank_svn Attila2 ==> chrstgtr PrincipalityOfZeon GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro HaSi ==> ClemHD Liberty Cesar Karrlito ar4f29 Smurf_Juice ==> _zoro_ chrstgtr Vik4e ==> palank_svn Uran238cz Odyssey equilibrium ffm txoz12 ==> agricola mord Grugnas xdgamer Hannibal_Barca moe__ elexis2 Valerianis Panagiotis ==> DHMHTRHS Last_AssassiN chrstgtr merlin1 mottek ==> franksy07 Franksy iApprove franksy07 Dizaka kulbec Hato ==> Franksy Last_AssassiN yashbanka123 Hannibal_Barca devnull Bizza frode xCelsius ==> Danilo009 Feldfeld Uran238cz HansLanda ==> mapkoc Feldfeld iApprove TheLegendary pesem Lazar ==> ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ycswyw Hannibal_Barca Mercy caesar_salad ==> Mercy Fatoni cb3001 betam Feldfeld fatherbushido2 Gontier ==> shookees Grugnas fpre mitchvanderkort dar ==> Hannibal_Barca siole achilles.. ==> bb Grugnas ShadowOfAzrael43 Echendra truongap Rhay Franksy Michinixen ==> Feldfeld Cesar_SVN TUMA Mr.Harry PrincipalityOfZeon bb bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative Merkel4.0 Chief_Pino ==> Elvith92 causative Etawin pablek2 ==> Cesar ShadowOfAzrael43 samba Kudriy Khosrov Tiber7 hercules.. ==> fpre JorgeGijon Grugnas chrstgtr Hispania RomuloSinRemo ==> Grugnas arcadius ShadowOfAzrael43 fiji23 ==> Zahnfee devnull Grugnas danielkulka echotangoecho santa Hannibal_Baraq Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas Hannibal_Barca Heimejebu ==> Grugnas samba shookees jaguar snelius 9025201729 Odyssey samba Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy kabaka kristian Ser3195 ==> Grugnas Cesar ItzKenPvP MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft ShadowOfAzrael43 jose44 ==> PabloDF gustavosiper1 Ysey2.0 gabrielpotumati Uran23 Ysey2.0 ==> Cesar wang_wei temik5 PabloDF gustavosiper1 Biradin88 ==> samba threefour ho TUMA POCHAN ==> rettinger META-BARONS ycswyw SaltySeyi ====== 3 - 4 ====== shade11 Franksyy ==> Dakara Dizaka Arthuryus ==> chrstgtr Jordi_Iranzo93 Jordi_Iranzo93 ==> chrstgtr Arthuryus ChillerView ==> Mercy pesem ElCid ==> causative Dakara Dunedan Kudriy AlexandreLeGrand_FR Merosvn ==> sentado babybushido Mg ==> samba Biradin88 Cesar Laro ==> Emperior xxleite mongolracer ==> mord PrincipalityOfZeon Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser Flood ==> chrstgtr Squider ==> _kali soloooyo Dade ==> JorgeGijon Hannibal_Barca GranCesar ==> Chrisf1 TheLegendary KaiserlichKaiser ==> pastglory nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto Derpface420 rettinger skordobamias ellaguno ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov Feldfeld sentado ==> Cesar kjager ycswyw Imarok3 ==> siole LongWolf ==> bbleft Imarok ==> forelle213 ultac OptimusShepard ultac Gummionkelchen ==> Aramis SPQR BourbonKid darkent657 HerkEule ==> fpre fatherbushido SangoTwo ==> cloni Hannibal_Barca dkaiser92 Hthegreat ==> elexis2 charleeprooo Balazz ==> kulbec vont ==> majk imrobbyg diocarli ==> Mr.Harry leite ==> Please Felixgg theSkydiv3r alexis85 DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie ClemHD THEKIM ==> causative Rekinator Tauriel franksy07 ==> mottek lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel Ice_Cold_123 ==> Odyssey Tauriel thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative sckt ==> causative JalpGJ ==> francisco1 Cesar Daniel121138 TRAX ==> Franksy xPlague consulio xerxes798 gustavosiper1 ==> PabloDF Ysey2.0 BRSERK ==> Cesar TurkishAirlines ibos ==> mord SNZ MW Tarantino ==> pesem Lautaros ==> Cesar melpin Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo mord Donnie ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Leto_II_Atreides xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 DEWA Aramis ==> Just_XnR SPQR Just_XnR ycswyw xims19 ==> Etawin zDiegoAC ==> Cesar Just_XnR ==> Aramis SPQR MagRrath Ambassador_Petrus Rakerion ==> rickers ycswyw teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 7annaba3l ultac ==> forelle213 Imarok OptimusShepard fatherbushido_svn ==> elexis2 babybushido ==> sentado themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 Leto_II_Atreides ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Donnie nestoreliseoortiz ==> temple Chrisf1 Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong jekajo ==> Dcater07 zozef83 zozef83 ==> Lmmzios jekajo Monouga ==> xerxes798 firstlegion angelogenius ==> Odyssey Please ==> leite cesar123 ==> pesem SNOWpope ==> THEKIM er_titi92 ==> Tauriel BawseGawde ==> Cesar Karrlito ==> Cesar KillerCavy ==> Cesar Markopolo ==> 7annaba3l juancojonioss ==> consulio HKK ==> Cesar Daniel121138 ==> francisco1 Cesar Lmmzios bizon1141 Herr_Doctor ==> ycswyw Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l Waggi66 ==> skordobamias jamsong ==> hamalama ycswyw pastry_lyre ==> Cesar brunoagis ==> WGold Euforia Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis brightlight ==> vont vladeo96 ==> Kudriy MTT123 ==> consulio die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 SNZ ==> mord BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP threefour ==> Odyssey KoftaTheGreat ==> mord FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat nemo01 ==> ReaRavenclaw otrebor19 mvdiogo kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r OptimusShepard ==> ultac ====== 2 - 3 ====== tungdil ==> Forgul Juan18 Rhay ==> Echendra truongap Hispania jaguar2 ==> mord Juan18 ==> Forgul tungdil _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> pastry_lyre SySy78112 ==> teymyro lucas2vc ==> wikizd Djukic ==> consulio ho ==> threefour ictvrexaragon ==> mord TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag sirdark29 TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr Trevizan97 ==> lazyreece Gaius_Claudius ==> Sargon lazyreece ==> Trevizan97 pastglory ==> Nichu afarre Sargon ==> Gaius_Claudius SPQR ==> Aramis CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 qweqaz1 ==> mike82 Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai mike82 ==> qweqaz1 PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ MagRrath ==> Ambassador_Petrus benz96 ==> Hendies Hendies ==> benz96 Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ Ambassador_Petrus ==> MagRrath sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero LordPain ==> bizon1141 Demosthene ==> afarre gaab96 ==> wikizd nimu1999 ==> JacooB Temis ==> bosto rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite wikizd ==> gaab96 miguelfigueras ==> marxod otrebor19 ==> ReaRavenclaw SK123SK ==> artas1340 ilisos ==> Whacksmash AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 LaidBackPanda ==> salva3000 matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 darkent657 ==> BourbonKid mrapattoni ==> JPG Diggy ==> Nichu Meles ==> Pjys Krakan ==> Burubar jake1 ==> Sebajk7 theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg LordHoi3 ==> masterbj ddsg ==> peterserrano baguette ==> BARK high^ ==> fernan23 yokin09 ==> El_Wachito RoterGeneral ==> krumpli90 truongap ==> Echendra diogenes ==> pessoa Gernehard ==> amoralisch lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking xFunkyx ==> mindinflow phoenixdesk -(MG)-Pakuito. ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus KaukasHan ==> Orpheusus wesono ==> Husiman Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ablasb22 ==> armada Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans zecabottene ==> Platino yunk2 ==> marcos456 afarre ==> Nichu Domme98 ==> PabloXX sinfle ==> maximux001 Jannick1 ==> Frooog gonzalo12 ==> consul ==> LordCesar ==> FavelaBoy ==> JuliusSeizure ==> Hannibal ==> TheRolle ==> Simon737 ==> varys ==> jungleboyk ==> dima1111 ==> ReaRavenclaw ==> Darkonar ==> svegas ==> Atho ==> JacooB ==> Dmax12 ==> PTK.JAEM ==> _Viriathus_ ==> MW ==> Hellion ==> PabloDF ==> rickers ==> low23 ==> Inkognito ==> bosto ==> Dcater07 ==> artas1340 ==> pierrot80000 ==> Grandolf ==> Eich ==> Velorum ==> marxod ==> craqqy ==> LegacyofAtlas ==> julleplayer ==> Holsety ==> Motane ==> LameAlot ==> Daghbaji ==> mbm5 ==> cloni ==> antek4312 ==> erka ==> ====== 1 - 2 ====== YuriWhite ==> gaboogames ==> MDEIR ==> Player molusco ==> equil ==> fateras ==> Gzuz187 ==> MrHotDog99 ==> graysprayer ==> WilsonWilson BourbonKid ==> Whacksmash ==> kder ==> slacker ==> migu3l9393 ==> armada ==> Eurakles ==> Nila0305 ==> gidi21 ==> Labi123 ==> salva3000 ==> pablo006 ==> greenpower ==> Elgranmagno ==> Nasus ==> cb3001 ==> i44 ==> Felixgg ==> Fatoni ==> fellype ==> NiciusLP ==> hamalama ==> dandan_anaconda ==> amoralisch ==> Sebajk7 ==> Madonna ==> Isfador1 ==> siedem95 ==> periklhs ==> User|Master ==> Bichtiades ==> pepitoex123456 ==> majk ==> JPG ==> JeanClown ==> Makac ==> melpin ==> Pjys ==> BARK ==> hadi ==> Freakadelle ==> adrian_martin15 ==> Yellowtailfillet ==> El_Wachito ==> Zahnfee ==> masterbj ==> jacobm196 ==> PTK.SirTopito ==> Burubar ==> mindinflow ==> smooth ==> andy5995 ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov ==> Echendra ==> forelle213 ==> Nichu ==> Califourchette ==> temik5 ==> Marcus_Antonius ==> Cheatweed ==> OmenTheGreat ==> King_Jerusalem ==> H2OLordMike ==> krumpli90 ==> jammer ==> danielkulka ==> Danilo009 ==> Indibil ==> Icetea ==> pessoa ==> espartaclon555 ==> Alfredito123 ==> fernan23 ==> ====== 0 - 1 ====== stierkampf ==> random301 ==> rvp ==> worwuk2 ==> xdgamer ==> PROrion ==> Eraser ==> peterserrano ==> CommandantI. ==> madc79 ==> ardeshir9 ==> Gvozdziu ==> adeldjahnine ==> Pakuito ==> francisco1 ==> DHMHTRHS ==> lamuska ==> Tijmen_ ==> yashbanka123 ==> burrito ==> gorans ==> Orpheusus ==> en10 ==> marioxcc ==> Theheiferking ==> NurgestARG ==> KayAaraash ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus ==> YehiaSatour ==> Frooog ==> philosopher ==> clive_williams ==> evilconan ==> knutmithut ==> OLHOdeDEUS ==> marcos456 ==> vektor ==> agricola ==> Husiman ==> ItzKenPvP ==> christianoo6 ==> Elvith92 ==> Forgul ==> Peterov ==> slobondaknob ==> Platino ==> Thorminator1891 ==> PabloXX ==> ElGitano ==> Hthegreat3 ==> WGold ==> YANES98 ==> maximux001 ==> Edited May 6, 2017 by causative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Genskul = jc = zztop LeRoiScorpion = TheLegendary is a total troll, remove him please - no ddos-ers on the list drunkadius = arcadius txoz12 = borg- Merosvn = Merov svnUran238cz = Uran238cz as usual several Hannibal_Barcas and even 1 Hannibal_Baraq and fiji23 = me x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeXoR Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 I have many things to say to this but for now I'll just mention a few points: Whatever you mean by "Good" - as in good player - is unlikely a one dimensional property of a player (if at all) and thus can't be expressed with a number. What can be expressed with a number is the frequency of a player winning games in the past. But that's not telling much about a players likelihood of winning a game in the future! That's because games - their settings and the participating players - are differing for most games and thus don't produce independent and identically distributed random variables. You also need massive amount of data points (1000 is sometimes considered the lower limit) to come to useful conclusions. Persons react to ratings. This means even if assuming the outcomes of games where randomly distributed over all games (which might by OK) and we have enough data you will break a precondition of statistics by generating them and using them for the purpose stated here - helping PPL to host fair (Guessing here it's meant all teams have an equal chance of winning the game hosted according to the analyzed data) games. Since one doesn't want to get the likelihood of any player to win the game (which should be 0.5 if nothing is broken ;p) but of a specific player that means one can only use the data of past games he participated in. Since this holds true for all players participating in the particular game you can only use data of games with the exact same players. That makes the "masses of data" requirement quite hard to be fulfilled. As far as I'm concerned "troll" and "smurf" is an insult (Definitely out of the scopes of statistics BTW ;p). So please be careful with those! EDIT: Some rating systems (like ELO) are designed to give a relative score to each player of a (stable - over many games) group of players assuming that games are played one player vs. one player (simplifying things - but that's not true for 0 A.D.) and players always want to win (likely true for competitive communities like a chess league - not so much for mixed communities like that of 0 A.D.). And so on and so forth... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imarok Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Though its better then nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldfeld Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, FeXoR said: I have many things to say to this but for now I'll just mention a few points: Whatever you mean by "Good" - as in good player - is unlikely a one dimensional property of a player (if at all) and thus can't be expressed with a number. What can be expressed with a number is the frequency of a player winning games in the past. But that's not telling much about a players likelihood of winning a game in the future! That's because games - their settings and the participating players - are differing for most games and thus don't produce independent and identically distributed random variables. You also need massive amount of data points (1000 is sometimes considered the lower limit) to come to useful conclusions. Persons react to ratings. This means even if assuming the outcomes of games where randomly distributed over all games (which might by OK) and we have enough data you will break a precondition of statistics by generating them and using them for the purpose stated here - helping PPL to host fair (Guessing here it's meant all teams have an equal chance of winning the game hosted according to the analyzed data) games. Since one doesn't want to get the likelihood of any player to win the game (which should be 0.5 if nothing is broken ;p) but of a specific player that means one can only use the data of past games he participated in. Since this holds true for all players participating in the particular game you can only use data of games with the exact same players. That makes the "masses of data" requirement quite hard to be fulfilled. As far as I'm concerned "troll" and "smurf" is an insult (Definitely out of the scopes of statistics BTW ;p). So please be careful with those! EDIT: Some rating systems (like ELO) are designed to give a relative score to each player of a (stable - over many games) group of players assuming that games are played one player vs. one player (simplifying things - but that's not true for 0 A.D.) and players always want to win (likely true for competitive communities like a chess league - not so much for mixed communities like that of 0 A.D.). And so on and so forth... Even though i don't have an especially good level in statistics or mathematics, i'll try to answer this considering the idea of causative ... first thing i want to clarify is that (if i understood well) is that a "win" or a "loss" is not the actual outcome of the multiplayer game, but a comparison of arbitrary selected statistics of the game (with good weight for killed units). This sole fact means that anyway the goal was from beggining to give an estimation and not predict a probability of winning a multiplayer game. So i think that causative explained his system better that i would have done with my english ... On 06/05/2017 at 7:57 AM, causative said: Each player was considered to have "beaten" other players on their own team, if their score in that game is higher. Players were not compared to players on the opposing team, because being on the winning/losing team artificially inflates/decreases your score due to the action of your teammates, and I didn't want that to influence the results. If you were within 20% of another player's score, then both you and the other player were considered to be tied (each recorded as beating the other) so what's measured is actually a serie of 1v1s in a multiplayer games. If you play a 4v4 game you actually play 3 games, between your allies. As this was not criticized i wanted to make sure it's clarified... 1. So as i said i am not good in statistics but from how i see it : supposing the arbitrary selected score of a game used to compare players are good (though we know it's not the case), then this "multiplayer" rating is similar to the current 1v1 rating of the game : if statistics laws applies to multiplayer rating, it also applies to the 1v1 rating system of this game, so that would mean the 1v1 official system is as bad as this multiplayer system. So knowing that, the issue of this multiplayer system is how score describe a multiplayer game which we, i think, all acknowledge is not 100% accurate, score for example doesn't measure how good a strategy is unless it rewards more kills etc... 2. Already talked about that in a post in the thread, even if i don't speak well, but still, how i see it : indeed, games are supposed to be balanced, but since it's not the outcome (win/loss) of the entire multiplayer game that is measured, i think that we should take other conclusions of this. We have players of different strength in a team. It is supposed to be balanced at the start : that mean players already use more or less relative estimations of a player's strength, in a way that better players play with weaker players. If the game's score agreed with the human estimation of a player's strength, it simply gives a human help to multiplayer rating estimation. 3. i still think another conclusion should be taken. You emphasized the fact that players in a multiplayer games may play in different conditions each game (and i think it is more about fighting a player in the opposing team who is stronger than the one your ally fights) but i would say that with more and more games this fact tends to disappear. 4. Well, for the "smurf" term i guess everyone has its own meaning, though for the troll one : the guy hannibal called a troll was actually the guy who caused a huge disruption, who was the cause of closing registrations. I don't think this term will be used again anytime soon. EDIT : by the way Feldfeld = Attila2 well, i play chess and in chess too we see upsets : i already beat a player rated 400 over me and drew one rated 450 over me. It doesn't need 1000 games to be accurate. In 0a.d., if a player doesn't want to win i think the it will be seen in the score. But generally as far as i'm concerned in multiplayer games players try to win. And yes, it seems elo system doesn't work in 0a.d. since causative noticed that fide rating doesn't work here for reasons described in first post. Edited May 8, 2017 by Feldfeld 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeXoR Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Feldfeld said: This sole fact means that anyway the goal was from beggining to give an estimation and not predict a probability of winning a multiplayer game. I guess it's about estimating the outcome (win/lose) of the game hosted? If so how do you want to estimate if not with a probability? I read: On 6.5.2017 at 7:57 AM, causative said: This is a help when setting up games, to decide if teams are fair. and assumed what is meant by "fair" in my previous post. Correct me if I misunderstood anything, please.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldfeld Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 3 hours ago, FeXoR said: I guess it's about estimating the outcome (win/lose) of the game hosted? If so how do you want to estimate if not with a probability? I read: and assumed what is meant by "fair" in my previous post. Correct me if I misunderstood anything, please.. You're right, i expressed badly... What i mean is that currently, it is a ranking, not a rating (and i made the mistake many times already in the thread). Currently teams are balanced considering relative players strength, so they don't use probabilities. I guess a way to try to balance a game with this ranking is to put on a team, the best ranked player with the 4th, the 5th and the 8th (following the logic of "the first beat the 2nd, but the 3rd beat the 4th etc) but of course players can be same strength and that messes up a bit the balance. I'm simply not sure we can use probabilities with a ranking only and not a rating. Though causative in a post tried to rate players from 0 to 5 considering their ranking so i don't really know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeXoR Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 You are absolutely correct that a list of players sorted by strength doesn't give you a probability for the victory of one side. But that's exactly what you want to have so you additionally have to assume something like 5 hours ago, Feldfeld said: the first beat the 2nd, but the 3rd beat the 4th etc adding to the uncertainty (you don't even attempt to calculate). So basically it ends up in the same way as the probabilistic attempt: Not enough information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldfeld Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 4 hours ago, FeXoR said: You are absolutely correct that a list of players sorted by strength doesn't give you a probability for the victory of one side. But that's exactly what you want to have so you additionally have to assume something like adding to the uncertainty (you don't even attempt to calculate). So basically it ends up in the same way as the probabilistic attempt: Not enough information Yes, not enough information but i still trust that, following the "better than nothing" logic : sometimes, i see games setup where a player say that currently the game is not balanced, the host says "suggest changes" but none are suggested. The ranking system would maybe suggest a balancing. sometimes, the host, and the players, don't all know each others. Maybe, by checking the rating system, we can see who's the closest known player to the unknown one to have an estimation that i would call somewhat decent, because the issue here would be how the ranking is made. It would give a relative strength value that i think is used by most of people to balance. I would call that better than nothing. So here what i don't agree about is this sentence : 4 hours ago, FeXoR said: But that's exactly what you want to have sometimes, a help, even if it still doesn't give a perfect balance, is helpful and good to take, or at least that's what i think, from my experience in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causative Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) FeXoR, Feldfeld explained it pretty well. Rankings here are not based on whether your team wins or loses the game. They are based on whether you have a higher (custom) score than other players on your own team. I've experimented with some other methods of ranking the players. The method I described in my first post, where I divide the weighted sum of wins by the weighted sum of losses, is pretty ad-hoc. I have settled on something called WHR (whole-history rating) which has a more sound statistical basis. Also, I've incorporated Hannibal_Barca's additional smurf list, and I'm no longer displaying players with 0 wins in my records, and I've added a vertical bar ┃ before each ranked player, so that if the line wraps you know it's not a new line. Here is the updated list: Spoiler ====== 4 - 5 ====== ┃ betam ┃borg- ┃Feldfeld ┃Barbarian ┃WW_Butcher ┃arcadius ┃PhyZic ┃ LongKnob ┃JC ┃_zoro_ ┃wang_wei ┃ KunstRaucher ┃ palank ==> Grugnas Cesar_SVN LongKnob ┃ luzbel ┃ jeremias ==> suhendi lapatiencos Franksy ┃ urlens ┃ WarriorSpartan ┃ Sergio_the_Great ==> Dakara afarre Demosthene Uran238cz ┃Vercingetorix_ ┃ lucas2vc ==> wikizd Lmmzios jonnyjg Reaperisonline ┃ Nerd ==> Isfador1 maxticatrix Feldfeld ┃ Tango_ ┃JorgeGijon ┃Boudica ┃ HirnWolf ==> madc79 Grugnas Odyssey Merov Hannibal_Barca elexis2 ┃ borgsvn ==> Hannibal_Barca Cesar ┃MacWolf ┃ prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX ┃Merov ┃ pag ┃ GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro ┃ GummionkelchenIsBack ┃ Smurf_Juice ==> _zoro_ ┃siole ┃mapkoc ┃imrobbyg ┃Grugnas ┃causative ┃ Anders ==> Dade borg- Grugnas ┃Achelao ┃Finch ┃temple ┃Savxc1 ┃fpre ┃Liberty ┃Hannibal_Barca ┃ Thug_Julius ==> Grugnas mapkoc borg- WilsonWilson ┃tony3 ┃nigel87 ┃ gabicus ==> causative mapkoc ┃ Etawin ┃moe__ ┃ heyhoy ==> Hannibal_Barca dkaiser92 borg- ┃ Marcitos123 ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx cooon ┃ cooon ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx Marcitos123 ┃ xCelsius ==> Danilo009 Feldfeld ====== 3 - 4 ====== ┃ Bissau ==> maxticatrix fpre Grugnas ┃ mottek ==> franksy07 Franksy iApprove franksy07 ┃ LeGenDz ┃ shouthell ==> POCHAN treegb2 ┃ Zickology ┃ Vik4e ==> palank_svn Uran238cz Odyssey ┃ DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie ┃ HaSi ==> ClemHD Liberty Cesar Karrlito ┃Reaperisonline ┃merlin1 ┃ragnarlothbrok ┃ Michinixen ==> Feldfeld ┃META-BARONS ┃ar4f29 ┃ Panagiotis ==> DHMHTRHS Last_AssassiN chrstgtr ┃Valerianis ┃ Sh4d0w3rPL ┃ _kali ┃maxticatrix ┃ffm ┃ borg ==> agricola mord Grugnas xdgamer Hannibal_Barca ┃ HansLanda ==> mapkoc Feldfeld ┃ HerkEule ==> fpre META-BARONS ┃Last_AssassiN ┃GlenRunciter ┃TheLegendary ┃ jose44 ==> PabloDF gustavosiper1 Ysey2.0 ┃ bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative ┃ Chief_Pino ==> Elvith92 causative ┃ Sargon ==> Gaius_Claudius causative ┃ leite ==> Please Felixgg theSkydiv3r alexis85 ┃ Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis ┃kizitom ┃ pablek2 ==> Cesar ShadowOfAzrael43 samba Kudriy ┃lapatiencos ┃Uran238cz ┃equilibrium ┃ Mg ==> samba Biradin88 ┃ Imarok ==> forelle213 ultac OptimusShepard ultac ┃kjager ┃elexis2 ┃Emperior ┃ TUMA ┃iApprove ┃palank_svn ┃ fake Hannibal ┃ nebkas ┃ Bizza ┃bbleft ┃chrstgtr ┃ RomuloSinRemo ==> Grugnas arcadius ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃ achilles.. ==> bb Grugnas ShadowOfAzrael43 Echendra truongap Rhay ====== 2 - 3 ====== ┃Mr.Harry ┃ Hato ==> Franksy Last_AssassiN yashbanka123 Hannibal_Barca ┃ sentado ==> Cesar kjager Merov ┃ devnull ┃ Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy ┃ Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser ┃Dizaka ┃ Gummionkelchen ==> Aramis SPQR BourbonKid darkent657 ┃Merkel4.0 ┃ dar ==> Hannibal_Barca siole ┃ Jordi_Iranzo93 ==> chrstgtr Arthuryus ┃ Arthuryus ==> chrstgtr Jordi_Iranzo93 ┃ caesar_salad ==> Mercy Fatoni cb3001 betam Feldfeld ┃ Lazar ==> ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ┃ caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague xXPresidenteXx mord maxticatrix chrstgtr ┃Mercy ┃ Gontier ==> shookees Grugnas fpre ┃echotangoecho ┃bb ┃ kristian ┃pesem ┃ kulbec ┃ Biradin88 ==> samba threefour ho TUMA ┃ Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo ┃ Lautaros ==> Cesar equilibrium melpin ┃ Heimejebu ==> Grugnas samba ┃ Dunedan ┃ Ser3195 ==> Grugnas Cesar ItzKenPvP ┃ Laro ==> Emperior ┃Franksy ┃ Tiber7 ┃ babybushido ==> sentado ┃ baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong ┃ zecabottene ==> Platino ┃ sinfle ==> maximux001 ┃PrincipalityOfZeon ┃ matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 ┃ ddsg ==> peterserrano ┃ rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite ┃ AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda ┃ Franksyy ==> Dakara Dizaka ┃ wesono ==> Husiman ┃ lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking ┃ Lapiru ==> Silent_SiNNer ┃ AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ ┃snelius ┃ Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas ┃ dkaiser92 ┃ KaiserlichKaiser ==> pastglory nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto Derpface420 ┃ jaguar ┃ Khosrov ┃ shookees ┃ Donnie ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Leto_II_Atreides ┃ Ysey2.0 ┃ Please ==> leite ┃ mongolracer ==> mord PrincipalityOfZeon ┃ MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft ┃ ChillerView ==> Mercy pesem ┃ mitchvanderkort ┃ Flood ==> chrstgtr ┃Odyssey ┃ TheSelousScout ==> StaticBrain DirtMunchers ┃ DirtMunchers ==> StaticBrain TheSelousScout ┃ AlexandreLeGrand_FR ┃ cringegod ==> Cobex ratboy ┃ ratboy ==> Cobex cringegod ┃ Squider ==> _kali ┃ ElCid ==> causative ┃ ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃ kabaka ┃samba ┃ Domme98 ==> PabloXX ┃ diocarli ==> Mr.Harry ┃ Imarok3 ==> siole ┃ Cesar_SVN ┃ 9025201729 ┃ Dakara ┃ thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord ┃ CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 ┃ BRSERK ==> Cesar ┃ franksy07 ==> mottek ┃ GranCesar ==> Chrisf1 TheLegendary ┃ auipga ==> tsoukaris02 frode ┃ zDiegoAC ==> Cesar ┃ SaltySeyi ┃ Some_Old_Dude ==> Grugnas ┃ Danecx ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo ┃ treegb2 ==> POCHAN ┃ alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r ┃ SangoTwo ==> cloni Hannibal_Barca ┃ LongWolf ==> bbleft ┃ die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 ┃ jekajo ==> Dcater07 zozef83 ┃ SK123SK ==> artas1340 ┃ xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 caz ┃gabrielpotumati ┃ Rhay ==> Echendra truongap ┃ Balazz ==> kulbec ┃ xxleite ┃ Dade ==> JorgeGijon Hannibal_Barca ┃rettinger ┃ hercules.. ┃ Diggy ==> Nichu ┃frode ┃ santa ┃ FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat ┃ Temis ==> bosto ┃ ultac ==> forelle213 Imarok OptimusShepard ┃ Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo ┃fatherbushido2 ┃ ellaguno ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov Feldfeld ┃ JalpGJ ==> francisco1 Cesar Daniel121138 ┃ xims19 ==> Etawin ┃ Markopolo ==> 7annaba3l ┃ Leto_II_Atreides ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Donnie ┃ gustavosiper1 ==> PabloDF Ysey2.0 ┃ Krakan ==> Burubar ┃ -(MG)-Pakuito. ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus ┃ Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ┃ mrapattoni ==> JPG ┃ TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu ┃ high^ ==> fernan23 ┃ Hannibal_Baraq ┃ Monouga ==> xerxes798 ┃Kudriy ┃ juancojonioss ==> consulio ┃ ablasb22 ==> armada ┃shade11 ┃ vont ==> majk imrobbyg ┃ Hthegreat ==> elexis2 ┃ TRAX ==> Franksy ┃Cesar ┃ Fatoni ==> caesar_salad ┃ suhendi ==> THEKIM lapatiencos Franksy ┃ lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel ┃ ibos ==> mord SNZ MW ┃ jamsong ==> hamalama ycswyw Grugnas ┃ycswyw ┃ fatherbushido ┃ POCHAN ==> rettinger META-BARONS ycswyw ┃ SNOWpope ==> THEKIM ┃ SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag ┃ yaboy ==> x4my ┃ TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo ┃ brunoagis ==> WGold ┃ x4my ==> yaboy ┃ TurkishAirlines ┃soloooyo ┃ Gernehard ==> amoralisch ┃ zozef83 ==> Lmmzios jekajo ┃ Ice_Cold_123 ==> Odyssey Tauriel ┃ Tarantino ==> pesem ┃ LaidBackPanda ==> salva3000 ┃ skordobamias ┃ ROMALI ==> RRDABMW ┃ yunk2 ==> marcos456 ┃ nimu1999 ==> JacooB ┃ teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 ┃ KaukasHan ==> Orpheusus ┃ Juan18 ==> Forgul tungdil ┃ tungdil ==> Forgul Juan18 ┃ miguelfigueras ==> marxod ┃ jonnyjg ==> Lmmzios ┃ AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative ┃ LordHoi3 ==> masterbj ┃ Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l ┃ ClemHD ┃ RoterGeneral ==> Spix krumpli90 ┃ ilisos ==> Whacksmash ┃ OptimusShepard ==> ultac ┃ darkent657 ==> BourbonKid ┃ angelogenius ==> Odyssey ┃ sckt ==> causative ┃ Demosthene ==> afarre ┃ er_titi92 ==> Tauriel ┃ Rekinator ┃ themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 ┃ Meles ==> Pjys ┃ Herr_Doctor ==> ycswyw ┃ firstlegion ┃ elawi ==> saikling ┃ Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger ┃ threefour ==> ho Odyssey ┃ diogenes ==> pessoa ┃ Karrlito ==> Cesar ┃ _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> pastry_lyre ┃ BawseGawde ==> Cesar ┃ THEKIM ┃ Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans ┃ TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr ┃ BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP ┃ kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz ┃ HKK ==> Cesar ┃ nemo01 ==> ReaRavenclaw otrebor19 ┃ Trevizan97 ==> lazyreece ┃ lazyreece ==> Trevizan97 ┃ xerxes798 ┃ KillerCavy ==> Cesar ┃ KoftaTheGreat ==> mord ┃ MTT123 ==> consulio ┃ brightlight ==> vont ┃ Daniel121138 ==> francisco1 Cesar ┃consulio ┃ wikizd ==> gaab96 ┃ Just_XnR ==> Aramis SPQR MagRrath Ambassador_Petrus ┃ SNZ ==> mord ┃ xPlague ┃Tauriel ====== 1 - 2 ====== ┃ charleeprooo ┃ Aramis ==> Just_XnR SPQR Just_XnR ycswyw ┃ pastglory ==> Nichu afarre ┃ theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg ┃ pastry_lyre ==> Cesar ┃ truongap ==> Echendra ┃ vladeo96 ==> Kudriy ┃ Waggi66 ==> skordobamias ┃ SySy78112 ==> teymyro ┃ ho ==> threefour ┃ qweqaz1 ==> mike82 ┃ PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ ┃ yokin09 ==> El_Wachito ┃ MichaelMoore002 ==> Niqux chuckaboo ┃ chuckaboo ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 ┃ nestoreliseoortiz ==> temple ┃ Rakerion ==> rickers ┃ mike82 ==> qweqaz1 ┃mord ┃ Hendies ==> benz96 ┃ benz96 ==> Hendies ┃ Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz ┃ sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero ┃ jake1 ==> Sebajk7 ┃ cesar123 ==> pesem ┃ xFunkyx ==> mindinflow ┃7annaba3l ┃ CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 ┃ Eraser ==> palank_svn ┃ fatherbushido_svn ==> maxticatrix ┃ Jannick1 ==> Frooog ┃ Djukic ==> consulio ┃DEWA ┃ Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai ┃ Chrisf1 ┃ Ambassador_Petrus ==> MagRrath ┃ MagRrath ==> Ambassador_Petrus ┃ WilsonWilson ┃ mvdiogo ┃ baguette ==> BARK ┃ bizon1141 ┃ armada ==> shade11 ┃ Lmmzios ┃ ictvrexaragon ==> mord ┃ otrebor19 ==> ReaRavenclaw ┃ phoenixdesk ┃ SPQR ==> Aramis ┃ afarre ==> Nichu ┃ LordPain ==> bizon1141 ┃ Hispania Aliases: pesem=Trapast JC=smirno=Burger_III=Burger_II=BurgerII=BurgerExpress=JeanClaude=JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners=JC_TRUMP_WorldsParteners=zztop=Genskul ragnarlothbrok=noobie WW_Butcher=defenderbenny moe__=mo PhyZic=spolia_opima GlenRunciter=meiyo Feldfeld=Attila2 equilibrium=equilizer borg=txoz12 Merov=Merosvn arcadius=drunkadius TheLegendary=LeRoiScorpion elexis2=elexis3=elexis4 Hannibal_Barca=fiji23 fake Hannibal=Hannibal_Barca Uran238cz=svnUran238cz=Uran23 Edited May 11, 2017 by causative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg- Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Something is wrong, in that rank i dont anniKILLation all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causative Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 There's a margin of error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapkoc Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 If you can sort the players in order of strength, then you use the following algorithm to make fair teams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_problem#The_greedy_algorithm I used the quickest partition 1 22 11 22 1 that Feldfeld mentioned and it works pretty well unless there are 3 consecutive equally good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causative Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) Since there's only 8 players max, it's pretty quick to just try every combination of teams and see which is best. Here's the latest ratings list. Thanks to mapkoc for sending his replays as well. Other changes: I have included single player games, and excluded survival of the fittest. (Pizza was already excluded in previous rankings). I have also taken into account when each game was played, to allow for players getting better over the duration of a21. I've updated the first post in this thread with a full explanation of the process. Spoiler ====== 4 - 5 ====== ┃Feldfeld ┃ betam ┃ _Arkantos_ ==> vont mitchvanderkort mapkoc mitchvanderkort mapkoc ┃borg- ┃WW_Butcher ┃Barbarian ┃ urlens ┃ skery ==> johnnybine Emperior mapkoc ┃PhyZic ┃ LongKnob ┃Merov ┃wang_wei ┃Liberty ┃ Nerd ==> Isfador1 maxticatrix Feldfeld ┃arcadius ┃JorgeGijon ┃ WarriorSpartan ┃_zoro_ ┃ lucas2vc ┃KunstRaucher ┃Boudica ┃MacWolf ┃Vercingetorix_ ┃ palank ==> Grugnas Cesar_SVN LongKnob ┃ GummionkelchenIsBack ┃ luzbel ┃ borgsvn ==> Hannibal_Barca Cesar ┃ GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro ┃ prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX ┃ imrobbyg ┃JC ┃ pag ┃mapkoc ┃Grugnas ┃ xCelsius ==> Danilo009 Feldfeld ┃tony3 ┃ Tango_ ┃ Anders ==> Dade borg- Grugnas ┃Achelao ┃ TheJumper ==> Vercingetorix_ woodyfly mapkoc ┃Finch ┃ragnarlothbrok ┃nigel87 ┃fpre ┃ heyhoy ==> Hannibal_Barca dkaiser92 borg- ┃ testudo ==> Lmmzios thisissparta samba Briss PrincipalityOfZeon samba Italy LoserT samba ┃ T-850 ==> marxod DEWA gabrielpotumati ┃moe__ ┃Hannibal_Barca ┃temple ┃ leite ==> JC Felixgg theSkydiv3r alexis85 ┃ Smurf_Juice ==> _zoro_ ┃ gabicus ==> causative mapkoc ┃ HirnWolf ┃ mottek ==> franksy07 Franksy iApprove franksy07 ┃ shouthell ==> POCHAN treegb2 ┃ Bissau ==> maxticatrix fpre Grugnas ┃ Marcitos123 ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx cooon ┃ cooon ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx Marcitos123 ┃Savxc1 ┃ LeGenDz ┃Reaperisonline ┃ cidkortez ==> mapkoc ┃ kristian ┃ Zickology ┃ Vik4e ==> palank_svn Uran238cz Odyssey ┃ Michinixen ==> Feldfeld ┃ Sh4d0w3rPL ┃META-BARONS ┃ar4f29 ┃ DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie ┃Valerianis ┃causative ┃ borg ==> agricola mord Grugnas xdgamer Hannibal_Barca ┃ jeremias ==> suhendi lapatiencos Franksy ┃Last_AssassiN ┃ Sargon ==> Gaius_Claudius causative ┃ pablek2 ==> Cesar ShadowOfAzrael43 samba Kudriy mike82 ┃ Chief_Pino ==> Elvith92 causative ┃ Panagiotis ==> DHMHTRHS Last_AssassiN chrstgtr ronaldo55 mapkoc ┃equilibrium ┃ HerkEule ==> fpre META-BARONS ┃merlin1 ┃TheLegendary ┃kizitom ┃ Asbasnowe ==> Stlab sl0w MacWolf ┃ OmenTheGreat ==> Mercy ┃palank_svn ┃ Sergio_the_Great ┃ jose44 ==> PabloDF gustavosiper1 Ysey2.0 ┃Uran238cz ┃ Mg ==> samba Biradin88 ┃siole ┃ HansLanda ==> mapkoc Feldfeld ┃kjager ┃ TUMA ┃bbleft ┃ HaSi ==> ClemHD Liberty Cesar Karrlito cloni ┃ sirjames ==> KillerZ mapkoc ┃ffm ┃ sentado ==> Cesar kjager Merov ┃ achilles.. ==> bb Grugnas ShadowOfAzrael43 Echendra truongap Rhay ┃ RomuloSinRemo ==> Grugnas arcadius ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃ Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis ┃GlenRunciter ┃Emperior ┃Mr.Harry ┃ bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative ┃chrstgtr ====== 3 - 4 ====== ┃elexis2 ┃lapatiencos ┃ Imarok ==> forelle213 ultac OptimusShepard ultac ┃ _kali ┃maxticatrix ┃devnull ┃ dar ==> Hannibal_Barca siole ┃ fake Hannibal ┃ Hato ==> Franksy Last_AssassiN yashbanka123 Hannibal_Barca ┃ Etawin ┃ treegb2 ==> POCHAN maxtsag2405 Benstriker Grugnas ┃ nebkas ┃ Thug_Julius ┃Mercy ┃ Biradin88 ==> samba threefour ho TUMA ┃ Lazar ==> ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ┃ Heimejebu ==> Grugnas samba ┃iApprove ┃pesem ┃snelius ┃Dizaka ┃ caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague xXPresidenteXx mord maxticatrix chrstgtr ┃ lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking Theheiferking ┃ Flood ==> chrstgtr bottle ┃ Yankee ==> mapkoc ┃ caesar_salad ==> Mercy Fatoni cb3001 betam Feldfeld ┃ Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo ┃ Demosthene ==> afarre DEWA mapkoc ┃Merkel4.0 ┃ mitchvanderkort ┃ Jordi_Iranzo93 ==> chrstgtr Arthuryus ┃ Arthuryus ==> chrstgtr Jordi_Iranzo93 ┃echotangoecho ┃ Gummionkelchen ==> Aramis SPQR BourbonKid darkent657 ┃ Gontier ==> shookees Grugnas fpre ┃ Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser KnightDOOM ┃ Tiber7 ┃ Laro ==> Emperior ┃ babybushido ==> sentado ┃ sl0w ==> Stlab Asbasnowe MacWolf ┃PrincipalityOfZeon ┃ Deidal ==> woodyfly SirGeorgar ertxu MW ┃samba ┃ Lautaros ==> Cesar equilibrium melpin ┃bb ┃ Dunedan ┃ baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong ┃ dkaiser92 ┃shookees ┃Franksy ┃ xxleite ┃ ElCid ==> causative ┃ ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃ jaguar ┃ MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft ┃gabrielpotumati ┃rettinger ┃ Bizza ┃ Ysey2.0 ┃ zecabottene ==> Platino ┃ sinfle ==> maximux001 ┃ ddsg ==> peterserrano ┃ rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite ┃ Lapiru ==> Silent_SiNNer ┃ AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda ┃ wesono ==> Husiman ┃ matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 ┃ AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ ┃ AlexandreLeGrand_FR ┃ deedook ==> -(MG)-Pakuito. falkartis ┃ Khosrov ┃ ChillerView ==> Mercy pesem ┃ TomStrongPT ==> Lmmzios Mercy ┃ kabaka ┃ Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas ┃ Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy RAJGA98 ┃ BRSERK ==> Cesar ┃ Ser3195 ==> Grugnas Cesar ItzKenPvP ┃ ploco ==> enlil xerxes798 ┃9025201729 ┃ diocarli ==> Mr.Harry ====== 2 - 3 ====== ┃Odyssey ┃ SaltySeyi ┃ TurboBurger ==> META-BARONS ┃ Some_Old_Dude ==> Grugnas borg- ┃ TheSelousScout ==> StaticBrain DirtMunchers ┃ DirtMunchers ==> StaticBrain TheSelousScout ┃ Benstriker ==> maxtsag2405 treegb2 ┃ cringegod ==> Cobex ratboy ┃ ratboy ==> Cobex cringegod ┃ kulbec ┃ alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r ┃ Squider ==> _kali ┃ Domme98 ==> PabloXX ┃ zDiegoAC ==> Cesar ┃ GranCesar ==> Chrisf1 TheLegendary ┃ franksy07 ==> mottek ┃ auipga ==> tsoukaris02 frode ┃ ROMALI ==> RRDABMW bb ┃ ellaguno ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov Feldfeld ┃ KaiserlichKaiser ┃ hercules.. ┃ Imarok3 ==> siole ┃ Dade ==> JorgeGijon Hannibal_Barca ┃ sordidarchetype ==> mapkoc ┃ xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 caz ┃ SangoTwo ==> cloni Hannibal_Barca ┃ ffffffff ==> Monouga mapkoc ┃ Donnie ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Leto_II_Atreides ┃ Danecx ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo ┃ Rhay ==> Echendra truongap ┃ CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 ┃Kudriy ┃frode ┃ SK123SK ==> artas1340 ┃DEWA ┃ die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 ┃ Diggy ==> Nichu ┃ pastglory ==> Nichu afarre _zoro_ rettinger ┃ Cesar_SVN ┃ GoldenRocket ┃ Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo ┃ Krakan ==> Burubar ┃ Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ┃ worwuk2 ==> code5s POCHAN ┃ Temis ==> bosto ┃ santa ┃ FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat ┃ jekajo ┃ ablasb22 ==> armada ┃ Monouga ┃fatherbushido2 ┃ xPlague ┃shade11 ┃ gustavosiper1 ==> PabloDF Ysey2.0 ┃ JalpGJ ==> francisco1 Cesar Daniel121138 ┃ ultac ==> forelle213 Imarok OptimusShepard ┃ alekusu ┃ johnnybine ==> Emperior ┃ TRAX ==> Franksy ┃ high^ ==> fernan23 ┃ Hannibal_Baraq ┃ TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu ┃ POCHAN ┃ Balazz ==> kulbec ┃soloooyo ┃ juancojonioss ==> consulio ┃ Fatoni ==> caesar_salad ┃ mrapattoni ==> JPG ┃ Markopolo ==> 7annaba3l ┃ jamsong ==> hamalama ycswyw Grugnas ┃ Franksyy ┃ Dakara ┃ skordobamias ┃ ibos ==> mord SNZ MW ┃ elawi ==> saikling ┃ lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel ┃ LongWolf ==> bbleft SLACKADAB RamboFF DEWA ┃ Hthegreat ==> elexis2 ┃ winter1917 ┃ xims19 ==> Etawin ┃ thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord Lmmzios Lmmzios ┃ Gernehard ==> amoralisch ┃ SNOWpope ==> THEKIM ┃ Tarantino ==> pesem ┃ TurkishAirlines ┃ yaboy ==> x4my ┃ TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo ┃ brunoagis ==> WGold ┃ teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 ┃ x4my ==> yaboy ┃ SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag ┃ Ice_Cold_123 ==> Odyssey Tauriel ┃ zozef83 ┃ AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative ┃ fatherbushido ┃ KillerCavy ==> Cesar suhendi ┃ nimu1999 ==> JacooB ┃ wikizd ┃ Juan18 ==> Forgul tungdil ┃ tungdil ==> Forgul Juan18 ┃ Stlab ==> sl0w ┃ LaidBackPanda ==> salva3000 ┃ jonnyjg ==> Lmmzios ┃ Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger ┃ dannybc ==> Dozeur21 ┃ LordHoi3 ==> masterbj ┃ ilisos ==> Whacksmash ┃ ClemHD ┃ brightlight ┃ angelogenius ==> Odyssey ┃ DamyCoby ==> Bunny ┃ RoterGeneral ==> Spix krumpli90 ┃ycswyw ┃ firstlegion ==> SaltySeyi ┃ threefour ==> ho Odyssey ┃ Waggi66 ==> skordobamias Leto_II_Atreides ┃ KaukasHan ==> Orpheusus ┃ suhendi ==> THEKIM lapatiencos Franksy ┃ Karrlito ==> Cesar ┃Cesar ┃ themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 ┃ saikling ==> matiasfl Dunedan ┃ BawseGawde ==> Cesar ┃ OptimusShepard ==> ultac ┃ Paullzz ==> Last_AssassiN pesem ┃ vont ==> majk imrobbyg ┃ _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> pastry_lyre ┃ miguelfigueras ==> marxod ┃ diogenes ==> pessoa ┃ tonetml23 ==> brightlight ┃ Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l ┃ darkent657 ==> BourbonKid ┃ Leto_II_Atreides ┃ falkartis ==> -(MG)-Pakuito. ┃ Meles ==> Pjys ┃ nemo01 ==> ReaRavenclaw otrebor19 ┃ LoserT ==> Italy ┃ sckt ==> causative ┃xerxes798 ┃ Herr_Doctor ==> ycswyw ┃ Rekinator ┃ TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr ┃ Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans ┃ mongolracer ┃ BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP ┃ Waltz ==> SirGeorgar MW Lmmzios woodyfly ┃ MTT123 ==> consulio ┃consulio ┃ Just_XnR ==> Aramis SPQR MagRrath Ambassador_Petrus ┃ yourmother ==> BadBunny ┃ ho ==> threefour SerguiHellDragon ====== 1 - 2 ====== ┃ KoftaTheGreat ==> mord ┃ THEKIM ┃ Daniel121138 ==> francisco1 Cesar ┃ theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg ┃ ertxu ==> SirGeorgar MW Waltz Lmmzios SirGeorgar ┃ kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz ┃ Aramis ==> Just_XnR SPQR Just_XnR ycswyw ┃ javierroro2 ==> mord ┃ HKK ==> Cesar ┃ SNZ ==> mord ┃ SySy78112 ==> teymyro ┃ vladeo96 ==> Kudriy ┃ truongap ==> Echendra ┃Tauriel ┃ S.P.Q.R.pedromagno ==> Tribunus ┃ phoenixdesk ┃ pastry_lyre ==> Cesar ┃ mvdiogo ┃ PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ ┃ Rakerion ==> rickers ┃ qweqaz1 ==> mike82 ┃ MichaelMoore002 ==> Niqux chuckaboo ┃ chuckaboo ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 ┃ Djukic ==> consulio ┃ christianoo6 ==> Tauriel ┃ jake1 ==> Sebajk7 ┃ Chrisf1 ┃ nestoreliseoortiz ==> temple ┃ xFunkyx ==> mindinflow ┃ cesar123 ==> pesem ┃ Jannick1 ==> Frooog ┃ Eraser ==> palank_svn ┃ yunk2 ┃ CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 ┃7annaba3l ┃ Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz ┃ er_titi92 ==> Tauriel ┃ mike82 ==> qweqaz1 ┃ sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero ┃ yokin09 ==> El_Wachito ┃ Hendies ==> benz96 ┃ fatherbushido_svn ==> maxticatrix ┃ benz96 ==> Hendies ┃ Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai ┃mord ┃ peledebutoconunpibe ==> r4pt0r ┃ bizon1141 ┃ -(MG)-Pakuito. ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus ┃ Ambassador_Petrus ==> MagRrath ┃ MagRrath ==> Ambassador_Petrus ┃ RamboFF ==> SLACKADAB ┃ GoldboxXD ==> Grandolf ┃ WilsonWilson ┃ Ivaylo_Uzunov ┃ woodyfly ==> Lmmzios ┃ armada ==> shade11 ┃Lmmzios ┃ afarre ==> Nichu ┃ baguette ==> BARK ┃ otrebor19 ==> ReaRavenclaw ┃ bosto ┃ ictvrexaragon ==> mord ┃ SPQR ==> Aramis ┃ r4pt0r ====== 0 - 1 ====== ┃ MW ==> SirGeorgar SirGeorgar ertxu ┃ Chileno90 ┃ LordPain ==> bizon1141 ┃ Hispania ┃ Grandolf ==> GoldboxXD ┃sirdark29 Aliases: pesem=Trapast JC=smirno=Burger_III=Burger_II=BurgerII=BurgerExpress=JeanClaude=JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners=JC_TRUMP_WorldsParteners=zztop=Genskul=Please ragnarlothbrok=noobie WW_Butcher=defenderbenny moe__=mo PhyZic=spolia_opima GlenRunciter=meiyo Feldfeld=Attila2 equilibrium=equilizer borg=txoz12 Merov=Merosvn arcadius=drunkadius TheLegendary=LeRoiScorpion elexis2=elexis3=elexis4 Hannibal_Barca=fiji23 fake Hannibal=Hannibal_Barca Uran238cz=svnUran238cz=Uran23 Edited May 13, 2017 by causative 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imarok Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Imarok=Imarok3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) borg = borg- = borgsvn Cesar_SVN = Cesar palank = palank_svn fatherbushido = fatherbushido2 = fatherbushido_svn ffffffff = fpre Hannibal_Baraq = Hannibal_Barca JC = TurboBurger franksy07 = Franksy mo = moe__ --- mo is the used account, not moe__ Also should banned accounts be left in the list? Edited May 15, 2017 by Hannibal_Barca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causative Posted May 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the expanded alias lists. Also, thanks to temple for sending his replays, bringing the database to 496 games (after filtering and deduping). Here are the updated rankings, with temple's replays and an updated smurf list: Spoiler ====== 4 - 5 ====== ┃Feldfeld ┃ betam ┃ _Arkantos_ ==> vont mitchvanderkort mapkoc mitchvanderkort mapkoc ┃borg- ┃Barbarian ┃WW_Butcher ┃PhyZic ┃wang_wei ┃Liberty ┃Merov ┃ skery ==> johnnybine Emperior mapkoc ┃ LongKnob ┃arcadius ┃ Nerd ==> Isfador1 maxticatrix Feldfeld ┃ TheJumper ==> temple Vercingetorix_ woodyfly mapkoc ┃KunstRaucher ┃JorgeGijon ┃ lucas2vc ┃_zoro_ ┃ GummionkelchenIsBack ┃MacWolf ┃ urlens ┃Vercingetorix_ ┃imrobbyg ┃Boudica ┃ pag ┃Grugnas ┃ luzbel ┃ prittero ==> causative AmilcoreMESPX ┃ Sargon ==> Laro causative Gaius_Claudius Gaius_Claudius causative ┃mapkoc ┃ T-850 ==> marxod DEWA gabrielpotumati ┃ xCelsius ==> Danilo009 Feldfeld ┃ GenisVell ==> Emperior Laro ┃Finch ┃ Anders ==> Dade borg- Grugnas ┃JC ┃Achelao ┃nigel87 ┃fpre ┃tony3 ┃mo ┃temple ┃ testudo ==> Lmmzios thisissparta samba Briss PrincipalityOfZeon samba Italy LoserT samba ┃ragnarlothbrok ┃Hannibal_Barca ┃ WarriorSpartan ┃ Smurf_Juice ==> _zoro_ ┃Reaperisonline ┃ mottek ┃ Tango_ ┃ gabicus ==> causative mapkoc ┃ MTT123 ==> consulio Emperior HirnWolf Franksy DEWA LeGenDz Boudica ┃ heyhoy ==> Hannibal_Barca dkaiser92 borg- ┃ molusco ==> Hessk titanicisalive treegb2 ┃ Bissau ==> maxticatrix fpre Grugnas ┃ ceomba ==> temple ┃ shouthell ==> POCHAN treegb2 ┃ Marcitos123 ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx cooon ┃ cooon ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo Danecx Marcitos123 ┃ ZANDOKAN ==> temple ┃ HansLanda ==> mapkoc Feldfeld Cesar PaoloRotunno temple ┃ Michinixen ==> Feldfeld ┃ warrr ==> mapkoc ┃META-BARONS ┃ jeremias ==> Franksy suhendi lapatiencos Franksy BakedBrie KingHenri ┃ Vik4e ==> palank Uran238cz Odyssey ┃ cidkortez ==> mapkoc ┃ AceHome ==> temple ┃ Kabir ==> Kiput Potlach keFir ┃ Zickology ┃LeGenDz ┃ Jordi_Iranzo93 ==> chrstgtr Arthuryus temple ┃Valerianis ┃ marcus70 ==> temple ┃ MMOFF ==> temple ┃ Nebukard ==> temple ┃causative ┃ TUMAMA2 ==> temple ┃Savxc1 ┃ DeBugger ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 die4lie ┃ar4f29 ┃ Sh4d0w3rPL ┃ HirnWolf ┃ Strong_Bad ==> temple ┃ scot ==> temple ┃equilibrium ┃ Chief_Pino ==> Elvith92 causative ┃ pablek2 ==> Cesar ShadowOfAzrael43 samba Kudriy mike82 ┃ MILO86 ==> temple ┃ Asbasnowe ==> Stlab sl0w MacWolf ┃ Lazar ==> temple ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ycswyw Hannibal_Barca ┃Last_AssassiN ┃ Panagiotis ==> DHMHTRHS Last_AssassiN chrstgtr ronaldo55 mapkoc ┃ freedomm ==> temple ┃ HerkEule ==> fpre META-BARONS ┃ Findaelion ==> temple ┃palank ┃bbleft ┃merlin1 ┃devnull ====== 3 - 4 ====== ┃siole ┃ Sergio_the_Great ┃Uran238cz ┃ tim101 ==> temple temple ┃ Mg ==> samba Biradin88 ┃kizitom ┃ sirjames ==> KillerZ mapkoc ┃ AndresY ==> chemonaut ┃TheLegendary ┃Dade ┃chrstgtr ┃kjager ┃ Etawin ┃ HaSi ==> ClemHD Liberty Cesar Karrlito cloni ┃ achilles.. ==> bb Grugnas ShadowOfAzrael43 Echendra truongap Rhay ┃ RomuloSinRemo ==> Grugnas arcadius ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃ Tarantino ==> pesem philosopher Merkel4.0 Dade ┃ffm ┃ TUMA ┃ sentado ==> Cesar kjager Merov ┃snelius ┃Merkel4.0 ┃ Euforia ==> WGold brunoagis ┃ Arthuryus ==> chrstgtr Jordi_Iranzo93 ┃elexis2 ┃ dar ==> Hannibal_Barca siole ┃ Iskandar ==> Brteta ┃maxticatrix ┃Emperior ┃ kabaka ┃ bankimoon ==> CommandantI. causative ┃ fake Hannibal ┃ _kali ┃ ragequitter ==> bbleft WiWo ┃ Hato ==> Franksy Last_AssassiN yashbanka123 Hannibal_Barca ┃ Thug_Julius ┃ KillerCavy ==> Cesar Liberty Grugnas suhendi ┃ nebkas ┃shade11 ┃ Lautaros ==> Cesar equilibrium melpin ┃ Flood ==> chrstgtr bottle ┃ GlenRunciter ┃ caz ==> chrstgtr xPlague xXPresidenteXx mord maxticatrix chrstgtr ┃ Biradin88 ==> samba threefour ho TUMA ┃Dizaka ┃ kristian ┃ zwerg ==> temple ┃ CristinaM ==> Chocoloca477491 temple ┃Mercy ┃ Imarok ==> siole forelle213 ultac OptimusShepard ultac ┃ lazerhead8 ==> Theheiferking Theheiferking ┃pesem ┃ teletubinoob ==> murello benS kder pesem ┃ caesar_salad ==> Mercy Fatoni cb3001 betam Feldfeld ┃ santa ┃ Heimejebu ==> Grugnas samba ┃ chemonaut ┃ sl0w ==> Stlab Asbasnowe MacWolf ┃ apoloCREED ==> fpre JC ┃echotangoecho ┃ Mr.Harry ┃lapatiencos ┃gabrielpotumati ┃ Demosthene ==> afarre DEWA mapkoc ┃ KingOfPonthus ==> Emperior temple ┃ Deidal ==> woodyfly SirGeorgar ertxu MW ┃PrincipalityOfZeon ┃ Diggy ==> Nichu arams ┃ Thekingslayer ==> adrian_martin15 mvdiogo ┃ bigcam87 ==> temple ┃ Gummionkelchen ==> Aramis SPQR BourbonKid darkent657 ┃iApprove ┃ Tiber7 ┃ Rocky. ==> BEYMEX kizitom ┃ Laro ==> causative Gaius_Claudius Emperior ┃ PTK.JAEM ┃ babybushido ==> sentado ┃ Dunedan ┃ Gontier ==> shookees Grugnas fpre ┃ treegb2 ┃ Gaius_Claudius ==> Laro causative Sargon ┃ leonar90 ==> mapkoc ┃ PTK.SirTopito ┃ mapp ==> Emperior chrstgtr ┃ baker2201 ==> hamalama jamsong ┃ ShadowOfAzrael43 ┃bb ┃shookees ┃ MarcAurel ==> Franksy bbleft ┃ jaguar ┃ ablasb22 ==> armada fateras ┃ ElCid ==> causative ┃ Derpface420 ==> nestoreliseoortiz kozimoto KaiserlichKaiser KnightDOOM ┃ OmenTheGreat ==> Mercy ┃Franksy ┃ Brteta ==> temple ┃ dkaiser92 ┃ xxleite ┃ Khosrov ┃ Bizza ┃ harrenhal ==> Gargoyle ┃ zecabottene ==> Platino ┃ AfricanProud ==> dandan_anaconda ┃ sinfle ==> maximux001 ┃ xXPresidenteXx ==> shade11 caz ┃ Pluft ==> Cesar PrincipalityOfZeon Grugnas ┃ ddsg ==> peterserrano ┃ rogeRabbit ==> YuriWhite ┃ wesono ==> Husiman ┃ matutero12345 ==> pepitoex123456 ┃ GodSentPotatoe ==> Novorad ┃ ChrisDiaz ==> yeyoxxx ┃ Simon737 ==> Freakadelle ┃ Lapiru ==> Silent_SiNNer ┃ AntonioSalazar ==> _Viriathus_ ┃rettinger ┃ login3331 ==> iApprove ragnarlothbrok ┃ AlexandreLeGrand_FR ┃ deedook ==> -(MG)-Pakuito. falkartis ┃ TomStrongPT ==> Lmmzios Mercy ┃samba ┃ BRSERK ==> Cesar ┃ sordidarchetype ==> LongWolf Arlex temple mapkoc ====== 2 - 3 ====== ┃ Ser3195 ==> Grugnas Cesar ItzKenPvP ┃ leite ┃ ploco ==> enlil xerxes798 ┃ ChillerView ==> Mercy pesem ┃ KingHenri ==> BakedBrie jeremias ┃ SangoTwo ==> cloni Hannibal_Barca dan_italy_23 ┃ Hthegreat3 ==> strategygames Briss PrincipalityOfZeon ┃ kiradma ==> Dizaka ┃ Redtube ==> gabrielpotumati Mercy RAJGA98 ┃ EMPIRE32 ==> KingAurther ┃Odyssey ┃mitchvanderkort ┃ Some_Old_Dude ==> Grugnas borg- ┃ SaltySeyi ┃ TheSelousScout ==> StaticBrain DirtMunchers ┃ DirtMunchers ==> StaticBrain TheSelousScout ┃ cringegod ==> Cobex ratboy ┃ ratboy ==> Cobex cringegod ┃ Ysey2.0 ┃ 3WINE ==> Emperior ┃ Squider ==> _kali ┃ axelalzuru ==> Player philosopher ┃ GHAT ==> tonyxztk DaCrum ┃Kudriy ┃ zDiegoAC ==> Cesar ┃ thisissparta ==> jaguar2 mord Lmmzios Emperior Lmmzios ┃ Monouga ┃ ellaguno ==> Ivaylo_Uzunov Feldfeld ┃ keFir ==> Kiput Potlach ┃ diocarli ==> Mr.Harry ┃ Juan18 ==> bbleft Franksy Forgul tungdil ┃ GranCesar ==> Chrisf1 TheLegendary ┃ auipga ==> tsoukaris02 frode ┃ hercules.. ┃ Benstriker ==> maxtsag2405 treegb2 ┃ melpin ==> temple ┃ Fergalicious ==> Franksy saikling ┃ Domme98 ==> PabloXX ┃ ROMALI ==> RRDABMW bb ┃ Danecx ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 chuckaboo ┃ Rhay ==> Echendra truongap ┃ PrincipeJuan ==> chrstgtr ┃ Waltz ==> Emperior temple SirGeorgar MW Lmmzios woodyfly ┃ Donnie ==> El_Wachito yokin09 Leto_II_Atreides ┃ die4lie ==> Dmax12 CHAKIB2 ┃ SK123SK ==> artas1340 ┃ Labi123 ==> temple ┃frode ┃9025201729 ┃ Krakan ==> Burubar ┃ Adalberth ==> OLHOdeDEUS ┃ payback346 ==> Dade ┃ lio347 ==> shade11 ┃ KaiserlichKaiser ┃ jose44 ==> PabloDF gustavosiper1 Ysey2.0 woodyfly ┃ pastglory ==> Nichu afarre _zoro_ rettinger ┃ FERNADOPOLLA69 ==> KoftaTheGreat ┃ GoldenRocket ┃ cheesus414 ==> Franksy ┃ worwuk2 ==> code5s POCHAN ┃ Karmel ==> rvp soloooyo BoBaH_Kiev ┃kulbec ┃ jekajo ┃ JalpGJ ==> francisco1 Cesar Daniel121138 ┃DEWA ┃ TRAX ==> Franksy ┃ Franksyy ┃ Markopolo ==> 7annaba3l ┃ Temis ==> bosto ┃ alexis85 ==> Felixgg theSkydiv3r ┃ TheLegend ==> Gvozdziu ┃ Fatoni ==> caesar_salad ┃ Dakara ┃ tungdil ==> Forgul Juan18 ┃ ultac ==> forelle213 Imarok OptimusShepard ┃ jamsong ==> hamalama ycswyw Grugnas ┃ skordobamias ┃ elawi ==> saikling ┃soloooyo ┃ high^ ==> fernan23 ┃ BoBaH_Kiev ==> finnunderwood jeshusmaximus Karmel ┃ saikling ==> Franksy Fergalicious matiasfl Dunedan ┃ juancojonioss ==> consulio ┃ POCHAN ┃ Balazz ==> kulbec ┃ ibos ==> mord SNZ MW ┃ mrapattoni ==> JPG ┃ jeshusmaximus ==> finnunderwood BoBaH_Kiev ┃ lou_diamonds ==> ycswyw Tauriel ┃ kder ==> murello benS ┃ Leavitt ==> 9025201729 ┃ andy5995 ==> causative ┃ Gernehard ==> amoralisch ┃ johnnybine ==> Emperior ┃ xims19 ==> Etawin pesem META-BARONS mingesyringe ┃ Hthegreat ==> elexis2 ┃ craqqy ==> tigas Emperior kulbec ┃ teymyro ==> ellaguno SySy78112 ┃ Shinjou89 ==> Testarudo17 ┃ charleeprooo ==> Hannibal_Barca ┃ winter1917 ┃ Ice_Cold_123 ==> Odyssey Tauriel ┃ SrLobo ==> TheGloriousMadSwag ┃ yaboy ==> x4my ┃ TheGloriousMadSwag ==> SrLobo ┃ brunoagis ==> WGold ┃ x4my ==> yaboy ┃ zozef83 ┃ gustavosiper1 ==> PabloDF Ysey2.0 ┃ Stlab ==> sl0w ┃ AmilcoreMESPX ==> causative ┃ Danish ==> Liberty ┃ wikizd ┃ jonnyjg ==> Lmmzios ┃ SNOWpope ==> THEKIM ┃ Polocraft ==> Luisito philosopher ElHombreSinLaggggggg ┃ WiWo ==> bbleft ┃ TurkishAirlines ┃ LaidBackPanda ==> salva3000 ┃ ElHombreSinLaggggggg ==> Luisito Polocraft philosopher ┃ nimu1999 ==> JacooB ┃ sckt ┃ ClemHD ┃phoenixdesk ┃ miguelfigueras ==> marxod ┃ ilisos ==> Whacksmash ┃ycswyw ┃ LordHoi3 ==> masterbj ┃ angelogenius ==> Odyssey ┃ firstlegion ==> SaltySeyi ┃ suhendi ==> THEKIM lapatiencos Franksy ┃ RoterGeneral ==> Spix krumpli90 ┃ Eraser ==> palank fatherbushido ┃ Johnyyyyy ==> rettinger ┃ Waggi66 ==> skordobamias Leto_II_Atreides ┃ threefour ==> ho Odyssey ┃Cesar ┃ DamyCoby ==> Bunny ┃ BawseGawde ==> Cesar ====== 1 - 2 ====== ┃ Skimed ==> phoenixdesk META-BARONS ┃ KaukasHan ==> Orpheusus ┃ brightlight ┃ Karrlito ==> Cesar ┃ _RCF_DiAmOnD ==> pastry_lyre ┃ Chocoloca477491 ==> gorans ┃consulio ┃ javierroro2 ==> mord ┃xerxes798 ┃ Bato ==> r4pt0r ┃ OptimusShepard ==> ultac ┃ Wolfenstein ==> 7annaba3l ┃ diogenes ==> pessoa ┃ darkent657 ==> BourbonKid ┃ Paullzz ==> Last_AssassiN pesem ┃ ertxu ==> SirGeorgar MW Waltz Lmmzios SirGeorgar ┃ tonetml23 ==> brightlight ┃ vont ==> majk imrobbyg ┃ falkartis ==> -(MG)-Pakuito. ┃ LongWolf ┃ themagicalwizard32 ==> shade11 ┃ Herr_Doctor ==> ycswyw ┃ nemo01 ==> ReaRavenclaw otrebor19 ┃ mongolracer ┃ OCTAVIO1245 ==> BOTA1246 ┃ BOTA1246 ==> OCTAVIO1245 ┃ KoftaTheGreat ==> mord ┃ RINEDOG ==> dan_italy_23 ┃ Leto_II_Atreides ┃ LoserT ==> Italy ┃ Meles ==> Pjys ┃ BaronVonDrai ==> Loz_OP Loz_OP ┃xPlague ┃ Just_XnR ==> Aramis SPQR MagRrath Ambassador_Petrus ┃ Daniel121138 ==> francisco1 Cesar ┃ WilsonWilson ┃ TJCSBARUIZ ==> PochAr ┃ ho ==> threefour SerguiHellDragon ┃ SNZ ==> mord ┃fatherbushido ┃ DaCrum ==> tonyxztk ┃ Aramis ┃ HKK ==> Cesar ┃ SySy78112 ==> teymyro ┃Tauriel ┃ vladeo96 ==> Kudriy ┃ fateras ==> temple ┃ yourmother ==> BadBunny ┃ THEKIM ┃ truongap ==> Echendra ┃ dannybc ==> Dozeur21 ┃ Lysander ==> 9025201729 ┃ bloodymary ==> JoackoMaga ┃ armada ┃ kozimoto ==> nestoreliseoortiz ┃ dan_italy_23 ==> RINEDOG ┃ pastry_lyre ==> Cesar ┃philosopher ┃ benS ==> murello ┃ Danilo009 ┃ Rakerion ==> rickers ┃ pablo006 ┃ ghughes13 ==> danielgraham ┃mord ┃ theSkydiv3r ==> Felixgg ┃ Djukic ==> consulio ┃ qweqaz1 ==> mike82 ┃ woodyfly ┃ S.P.Q.R.pedromagno ==> Tribunus ┃ MichaelMoore002 ==> Niqux chuckaboo ┃ chuckaboo ==> Niqux MichaelMoore002 ┃ Jannick1 ==> Frooog ┃ Chrisf1 ┃ xFunkyx ==> mindinflow ┃ christianoo6 ==> Tauriel ┃ PochAr ==> TJCSBARUIZ ┃ Rekinator ┃ cesar123 ==> pesem ┃ titanicisalive ==> Hessk ┃ Hessk ==> titanicisalive ┃ CHAKIB2 ==> Dmax12 ┃7annaba3l ┃ mvdiogo ┃ er_titi92 ==> Tauriel ┃ mike82 ==> qweqaz1 ┃ bizon1141 ┃ yokin09 ==> El_Wachito ┃ jake1 ==> Sebajk7 ┃ Aforero ==> sebastianjdiaz ┃ sebastianjdiaz ==> Aforero ┃ Kiput ==> Potlach ┃ Potlach ==> Kiput ┃ Loz_OP ==> BaronVonDrai ┃ -(MG)-Pakuito. ==> -(MG)-Pawercetus ┃ Clonakilty92 ==> fendrake ┃ Hendies ==> benz96 ┃ benz96 ==> Hendies ┃ Ambassador_Petrus ==> MagRrath ┃ MagRrath ==> Ambassador_Petrus ┃Lmmzios ┃ Ivaylo_Uzunov ┃ GoldboxXD ==> Grandolf ┃ baguette ==> BARK ┃ RamboFF ==> SLACKADAB ┃ afarre ==> Nichu ====== 0 - 1 ====== ┃ ictvrexaragon ==> mord ┃ otrebor19 ==> ReaRavenclaw ┃ bosto ┃ yunk2 ┃ fendrake ┃ marxod ┃ D-wayne ┃ r4pt0r ┃ MW ==> SirGeorgar SirGeorgar ertxu ┃ SPQR ==> Aramis ┃ Chileno90 ┃ LordPain ==> bizon1141 ┃ nestoreliseoortiz ┃ Briss ┃ Hispania ┃ Grandolf ==> GoldboxXD ┃sirdark29 Aliases: pesem=Trapast JC=smirno=Burger_III=Burger_II=BurgerII=BurgerExpress=JeanClaude=JC_TRUMP_World_&_Partners=JC_TRUMP_WorldsParteners=zztop=Genskul=Please=TurboBurger=Pardon ragnarlothbrok=noobie WW_Butcher=defenderbenny mo=moe__ PhyZic=spolia_opima GlenRunciter=meiyo Feldfeld=Attila2 equilibrium=equilizer=thisismyaccount borg-=txoz12=borg=borgsvn Merov=Merosvn arcadius=drunkadius TheLegendary=LeRoiScorpion elexis2=elexis3=elexis4 Hannibal_Barca=fiji23 fake Hannibal=Hannibal_Barca Uran238cz=svnUran238cz=Uran23 Cesar=Cesar_SVN palank=palank_svn fatherbushido=fatherbushido2=fatherbushido_svn fpre=ffffffff Hannibal_Barca=Hannibal_Baraq Franksy=franksy07 Imarok=Imarok3 Edited May 17, 2017 by causative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatherbushido Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I suddenly feel like a snail in a snail race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeXoR Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 All that assumes that there is a 1 dimensional distribution of players "skills" and that a higher "skilled" player is more likely to win against a lower "skilled" player weather you use "chance to win" or not. (And again: I strongly doubt "skill" is a number or sortable in the first place, even worse in team games) Also you have a goal to give hosts a hint how to arrange the teams. Usually players are humans though and what they are going to use a ranking for is not necessarily the thing the author meant it to be used for. So while I wish you fun with playing around with ratings I ask you to think about the consequences of such ratings. And I don't see a simple solution for this dilemma that can (and in other gaming communities already had) consequences like: Scores without automated balancing: All players try to swap into the team with the highest average score (and games will fill up very slowly because most players want to have a decent chance of winning). If the host distributes the players into teams the host will barely ever wind up in a team with lower average score (Strange, isn't it ) Scores with automated balancing: Players just enter a game and then watch TV or something to get a lower score so the next game they actually participate in will be more likely won (for they get underrated (And friends clamor about not always being in the same team). If disconnecting counts as win or is handled differently will influence the behavior though not really in a "good" way (while with "good" I mean helping to have better means for or chances of a fair yet competitive game - meaning from the beginning of the game until the victory/defeat conditions are meat for all participating players). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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