Factions Idea

[DevynCJohnson]

I saw this page (http://0ad.wikia.com/wiki/Civilizations), and I then got some ideas for other factions/civilization/people that existed in the Roman-Empire region around the 500BC-500AD era.

Slovakians - The Romans dealt with the Slovakians between 174-180AD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Slovakia)

Scottish - The Romans arrived in Scotland in 71AD and left 213AD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_during_the_Roman_Empire)

Arabs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Arabia

Barbarians - When the game is played, sometimes, the players may find a Gala structure, but Gala is not one of the players. The Barbarians could work on the same principle, Barbarians would randomly appear somewhere on the map (like they did on Sid's Civilization III). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarians)

Thracians - This faction lived near the Celts and the Illyrians, so it seems logical that this civilization should be added. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians)

Here is a wild idea - Pre-Columbian Romans and native Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact#Romans)

Any thoughts?

[tribalbeat]

The Slovakians and Scots are represented by the Celtic faction in game and the Arabs are Persians. If you can think of some way to distinguish the factions, feel free to draft a design document.

[Andrettin]

I saw this page (http://0ad.wikia.com/wiki/Civilizations), and I then got some ideas for other factions/civilization/people that existed in the Roman-Empire region around the 500BC-500AD era.

Slovakians - The Romans dealt with the Slovakians between 174-180AD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Slovakia)

Scottish - The Romans arrived in Scotland in 71AD and left 213AD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_during_the_Roman_Empire)

Arabs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Arabia

Barbarians - When the game is played, sometimes, the players may find a Gala structure, but Gala is not one of the players. The Barbarians could work on the same principle, Barbarians would randomly appear somewhere on the map (like they did on Sid's Civilization III). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarians)

Thracians - This faction lived near the Celts and the Illyrians, so it seems logical that this civilization should be added. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians)

Here is a wild idea - Pre-Columbian Romans and native Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact#Romans)

Any thoughts?

There weren't any "Slovakians" in the area then - it's just the same geographical area as modern Slovakia, but the tribes there were Germanic.

[DevynCJohnson]

There weren't any "Slovakians" in the area then - it's just the same geographical area as modern Slovakia, but the tribes there were Germanic.

Thanks! My mistake.

The Slovakians and Scots are represented by the Celtic faction in game and the Arabs are Persians. If you can think of some way to distinguish the factions, feel free to draft a design document.

Thanks! I would love to. Is there any official/proper way to write a design document? Where does 0AD host such a format?

[sanderd17]

The design document just includes what units, buildings and bonuses the civ has (based on historical information). There are examples of design documents on the wiki (http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/Civ%3A_Ptolemies http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/Civ%3A_Spartans ), but it's the content that matters, not the style.

[Lion.Kanzen]

You need search in forum and in our wiki.

[DevynCJohnson]

The design document just includes what units, buildings and bonuses the civ has (based on historical information). There are examples of design documents on the wiki (http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/Civ%3A_Ptolemies http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/Civ%3A_Spartans ), but it's the content that matters, not the style.

Thanks. I will work on this over the next few days and do some research to make a high-quality document.

[Lion.Kanzen]

About Slovakia is not existed as Slovakia in Roman time frame. Slovakia is a Slav State.

Great invasions from the 4th to 7th century

In the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD, the Huns began to leave the Central Asian steppes. They crossed the Danube in 377 AD and occupied Pannonia, which they used for 75 years as their base for launching looting-raids into Western Europe. However, Attila's death in 453 brought about the disappearance of the Hun tribe. In 568, a Turko-Mongol tribal confederacy, the Avars, conducted its own invasion into the Middle Danube region. The Avars occupied the lowlands of the Pannonian Plain, and established an empire dominating the Carpathian Basin.

In 623, the Slavic population living in the western parts of Pannonia seceded from their empire after a revolution led by Samo, a Frankish merchant.^[14]After 626, the Avar power started a gradual decline^[15] but its reign lasted to 804.

Slavic states

The Slavic tribes settled in the territory of present-day Slovakia in the 5th century. Western Slovakia was the centre of Samo's empire in the 7th century. A Slavic state known as the Principality of Nitra arose in the 8th century and its ruler Pribina had the first known Christian church of Slovakia consecrated by 828. Together with neighboring Moravia, the principality formed the core of theGreat Moravian Empire from 833. The high point of this Slavonic empire came with the arrival of Saints Cyril and Methodius in 863, during the reign of Prince Rastislav, and the territorial expansion under King Svatopluk I.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

I saw this page (http://0ad.wikia.com/wiki/Civilizations), and I then got some ideas for other factions/civilization/people that existed in the Roman-Empire region around the 500BC-500AD era.

Slovakians - The Romans dealt with the Slovakians between 174-180AD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Slovakia)

Scottish - The Romans arrived in Scotland in 71AD and left 213AD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_during_the_Roman_Empire)

Arabs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Arabia

Barbarians - When the game is played, sometimes, the players may find a Gala structure, but Gala is not one of the players. The Barbarians could work on the same principle, Barbarians would randomly appear somewhere on the map (like they did on Sid's Civilization III). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarians)

Thracians - This faction lived near the Celts and the Illyrians, so it seems logical that this civilization should be added. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians)

Here is a wild idea - Pre-Columbian Romans and native Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact#Romans)

Any thoughts?

What is Pre Columbian Romans, Romans never been here.

Ok you know the game will we have two parts.

The factions must be in one of these groups.

Arabians are Berebers and Sarraceni.

Thracian are minor Faction.

many Developers and Users are opposed to have more than 13 Factions in each part of game.

[Andrettin]

What is Pre Columbian Romans, Romans never been here.

Well, technically, the Romans are pre-Columbian anyway

[Lion.Kanzen]

Well, technically, the Romans are pre-Columbian anyway

XD hahaha, all Cultures before Christopher Columbus are Pre-Colombian. I never see that way hahaha.

[DevynCJohnson]

What is Pre Columbian Romans, Romans never been here.

Ok you know the game will we have two parts.

The factions must be in one of these groups.

Arabians are Berebers and Sarraceni.

Thracian are minor Faction.

many Developers and Users are opposed to have more than 13 Factions in each part of game.

Pre-Columbian Romans are a group of Romans that theoretically went to America. True, these Romans were not in the same geographical area as the Empire Romans, but this could lead to a another 0AD game that takes place in the Western hemisphere - Romans vs Native Americans.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Pre-Columbian Romans are a group of Romans that theoretically went to America. True, these Romans were not in the same geographical area as the Empire Romans, but this could lead to a another 0AD game that takes place in the Western hemisphere - Romans vs Native Americans.

Wohaaa! What? Romans in America? When? Where? Theoretically I ear about Egyptain, Jews, Phoenicians, Japanese, Chinese and Greeks in America.

The only confirmed was Vikings in Terra Nova.

[DevynCJohnson]

Wohaaa! What? Romans in America? When? Where? Theoretically I ear about Egyptain, Jews, Phoenicians, Japanese, Chinese and Greeks in America.

The only confirmed was Vikings in Terra Nova.

I am sure you could find some theory that states any given culture had been in America before Columbus. In the first post of mine for this thread, the Wikipedia link is included that states the theory concerning the Romans.

[Andrettin]

Wow, cool stuff:

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/calix.htm

http://www.webcitation.org/65PlUfqJr

I hadn't heard of this before. It could be false (as the second link discusses), but it is nevertheless interesting.

Wohaaa! What? Romans in America? When? Where?

The first Latin Americans

[Lion.Kanzen]

I never, and I'm from Latin America, and I never see thst but, that don't proves Roman Evidence, one thing that Romans doing in all territories they doing when came, is made it fort, like they do in Londinium, in Arabia, even in China with the theory or hypothesis of Lost Crassus Legion. If can know how found Romans outside of Roman Empire they left coins, and structures in all territory they came.

If is this the prove, even Japanese culture, come to America before Columbus, they left some pottery.

[Andrettin]

I never, and I'm from Latin America, and I never see thst but, that don't proves Roman Evidence, one thing that Romans doing in all territories they doing when came, is made it fort, like they do in Londinium, in Arabia, even in China with the theory or hypothesis of Lost Crassus Legion. If can know how found Romans outside of Roman Empire they left coins, and structures in all territory they came.

If is this the prove, even Japanese culture, come to America before Columbus, they left some pottery.

I'm from Latin America as well

Anyway, it could have been just a stranded Roman ship, or a ship of other nationality which bore Roman goods. Or, like it was said in one of the links, it could have been something which was brought later on and ended up in a Mesoamerican burial site.

[Lion.Kanzen]

In 1950 an Italian professor suggested that a depiction of a pineapple was represented among mediterranean fruits wall paintings at Pompeii. According to Wilhelmina Feemster Jashemski this interpretation has been challenged by other botanists, who identify it as a pine cone from the Umbrella pine tree which is native to the Mediterranean area.

The Bat Creek inscription and Los Lunas Decalogue Stone have led some to suggest the possibility that Jewish seafarers may have come to America after fleeing the Roman Empire at the time of the Jewish Revolt.

I say before: Jews. From Roman Era. But this not enough. I don't say isn't possibly. But need more than that.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I'm from Latin America as well

Anyway, it could have been just a stranded Roman ship, or a ship of other nationality which bore Roman goods. Or, like it was said in one of the links, it could have been something which was brought later on and ended up in a Mesoamerican burial site.

He is proposing a whole faction based in this. XD nice to see other Latin American, here in our countries are many fans about RTS games especially AoK.

Are a things the relationships between cultures left behind, and is the knowledge. But I don't see native Americans with Lorica Segmentata, Trirremes, Horses, metalworking to make weapons, Forts and defense sentries, even some tactical of guerrilla.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen

[Andrettin]

He is proposing a whole faction based in this. XD nice to see other Latin American, here in our countries are many fans about RTS games especially AoK.

Are a things the relationships between cultures left behind, and is the knowledge. But I don't see native Americans with Lorica Segmentata, Trirremes, Horses, metalworking to make weapons, Forts and defense sentries, even some tactical of guerrilla.

I think a whole faction based on this would indeed be too much (at most a scenario featuring the Romans or something of the sort would be factible). Even the historical Mesoamerican civilizations would be difficult to justify including, considering they are out of the game's geographical range, specially since the devs have so far ruled out even including far eastern civilizations.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I think a whole faction based on this would indeed be too much (at most a scenario featuring the Romans or something of the sort would be factible). Even the historical Mesoamerican civilizations would be difficult to justify including, considering they are out of the game's geographical range, specially since the devs have so far ruled out even including far eastern civilizations.

yeah is important have Asían first than Mesoamerican. Kushan Empire and Han Dynasty.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I remember this from History Channel.

"history"

[oshron]

The Slovakians and Scots are represented by the Celtic faction in game and the Arabs are Persians. If you can think of some way to distinguish the factions, feel free to draft a design document.

personally, i think that the best choice for an Arabic faction would be the Himyars, who lived in what is now Yemen and weren't subject to conquest by the major powers of the era; iirc, they lived during the timespan that would be covered in Part 2. they could also include some content based on Iram of the Pillars, the "Atlantis of the Sands" which supposedly existed during the same period

Pre-Columbian Romans are a group of Romans that theoretically went to America. True, these Romans were not in the same geographical area as the Empire Romans, but this could lead to a another 0AD game that takes place in the Western hemisphere - Romans vs Native Americans.

Wohaaa! What? Romans in America? When? Where? Theoretically I ear about Egyptain, Jews, Phoenicians, Japanese, Chinese and Greeks in America.

The only confirmed was Vikings in Terra Nova.

the best choice, in that case, would be to have at least one Amerindian faction (such as the Mayans) and include some scenarios/random maps which are set in the native land of those natives in which an Old World faction like the Romans are very clearly out of place, going on the supposition of ancient colonists. there are already some map specs which go for hypothetical settings, such as Equatorial Africa, the Arctic Circle, and a Macedonian colony in the Himalayas

The first Latin Americans

yeah is important have Asían first than Mesoamerican. Kushan Empire and Han Dynasty.

and the Yamato dynasty i mean, if the Chinese would ever be included, it woud be a shame to leave out the Japanese even if they woud be from long before the famous Feudal Era

[Lion.Kanzen]

Include japanese culture can be great Hit with users you know how many fans of Japanese are in games and entreteiment media.

Yeah I like Yamato from AOM but I know too little from Far Asian Cultures.

Sorry I was write incluye instead in include.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen

[Rodmar]

There is actually a theory about a Stone-Age small group migrating by chance to Northern America during the last Ice Age (through "coastal" navigation from Ireland, like modern Inuits could do). This theory was build on the account some stone tools found in America are very similar to those of the Solutrean culture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean

You could have a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

but I fear the redactors there are excessive. Imho, the theory isn't really meant to dismiss the Beringian hypothesis, just to explain a cultural influence.

But all of that is far beyond the scope of this game.