ShadowOfHassen Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 On 03/01/2025 at 9:30 PM, Vantha said: Yeah, but wouldn't it still be more exciting to fight e.g. the Battle of Cannae? Expand Yes it would be exciting to fight. all I'm saying is that if there isn't a lot of information, we can get the battle to be as big as you need for the game. Things in general will need to be adjusted for scale. Quite a few battles had troops in the thousands on both sides, but that won't work with a population cap of even 500, so events will need some adaptation anyway. So have your final battle as big and exciting as you want. :-) (In reason of course) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Sharing some more progress on the map... I'd estimate I'm about halfway there. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 How many maps will the campaign have? I get the impression that there are very few of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 6:42 PM, Lion.Kanzen said: How many maps will the campaign have? I get the impression that there are very few of them. Expand Scenarios 1, 2, and 3 all take place at the city and its surroundings. So, I'm hoping to be able to use the same map for all of them (the one that I'm creating right now). But we will only see whether that is actually possible once we get to the concrete implementation. Scenario 4 will definitely require a different map, though, if we decide for the idea with Hemeroscopium as the final target, since that city needs to be situated further to the North (somewhere not covered by the first map). But it might be possible to reuse parts of the first one for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 9:19 PM, Vantha said: Scenarios 1, 2, and 3 all take place at the city and its surroundings. So, I'm hoping to be able to use the same map for all of them (the one that I'm creating right now). But we will only see whether that is actually possible once we get to the concrete implementation. Scenario 4 will definitely require a different map, though, if we decide for the idea with Hemeroscopium as the final target, since that city needs to be situated further to the North (somewhere not covered by the first map). But it might be possible to reuse parts of the first one for it. Expand We might want to make some changes in between the three scenarios just minor ones but that’s beside the point… keep up the good work and make sure to back the map up! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 9:22 PM, ShadowOfHassen said: We might want to make some changes in between the three scenarios just minor ones but that’s beside the point… keep up the good work and make sure to back the map up! Expand Yes, scenarios improving the learning of previous scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 What about the idea of practice games in between that we talked about at the beginning? I mean, they are present to some degree in the current plan: The player learns how to play through the village phase in scenario 2, so in scenario 3 the instructions only start after completing that (and reaching the town phase). Before this point, the player just repeats (and practices) what he learned in the previous game. In scenario 4, the same is done for the town phase as well. Do you think that's enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 11:12 PM, Vantha said: What about the idea of practice games in between that we talked about at the beginning? Expand That but more exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 (edited) On 06/01/2025 at 11:30 PM, Lion.Kanzen said: That but more exciting. Expand The truth is that I imagine something very fun, not so schematic. I would like to know what would happen to speed runners if they tried to go too fast. Something like a random event that is triggered if they are very curious. Speed runners are very good at challenging maps in short time, what would happen if we played a few little pranks on them? Hehe... Edited January 6 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 On 06/01/2025 at 11:12 PM, Vantha said: What about the idea of practice games in between that we talked about at the beginning? Expand How about instead of that after the tutorial campaign, we have a different campaign called the practice campaign where there is one or two missions for each civilization which just gives a basic overview of the civ, both gameplay wise and historically-- make it totally without stories and just a narrator giving the overview. It wouldn't be a ton of work long term and that would be a good second campaign to ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 This is a different discussion but we need a challenge mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 On 06/01/2025 at 11:44 PM, ShadowOfHassen said: How about instead of that after the tutorial campaign, we have a different campaign called the practice campaign where there is one or two missions for each civilization which just gives a basic overview of the civ, both gameplay wise and historically-- make it totally without stories and just a narrator giving the overview. It wouldn't be a ton of work long term and that would be a good second campaign to ship. Expand No story and just single games? That defeats the whole purpose of a campaign, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 On 07/01/2025 at 5:25 PM, Vantha said: No story and just single games? That defeats the whole purpose of a campaign, right? Expand There would still be narrative campaigns, such as your tutorial campaign, but a practice campaign would take you through a series of challenges to rank up your skills. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 On 07/01/2025 at 5:29 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: There would still be narrative campaigns, such as your tutorial campaign, but a practice campaign would take you through a series of challenges to rank up your skills. Expand Yeah. Just like a short mission with each civ to get players used to mechanics. You really wouldn't be able to do justice to a lot of the cool stories with just a single mission, so just give an overview of the history. Just to reiterate, this is a different project idea not the same as the idea before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 On 07/01/2025 at 5:29 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: There would still be narrative campaigns, such as your tutorial campaign, but a practice campaign would take you through a series of challenges to rank up your skills. Expand On 07/01/2025 at 5:25 PM, Vantha said: No story and just single games? That defeats the whole purpose of a campaign, right? Expand It is another single player game mode, without narrative. It's called Art of War in AoEII. Very similar to a campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 Let me clarify. Single player mode: •SP matches. •Campaigns mode: Narrative and Grand Strategy. •Challenges mode.( Very similar to campaigns without narrative or historical background). •Other custom modes: Tower defense, CBA...etc. Within the campaign mode narrative: •Learning campaign (tutorial campaign) •each faction campaigns.(From 500-27 BC) •custom campaigns (from mods made by users). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I'm not sure I get it... if there's no story, then how is it different from an ordinary game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 On 07/01/2025 at 7:21 PM, Vantha said: I'm not sure I get it... if there's no story, then how is it different from an ordinary game? Expand It is not entirely true. They are using a pseudo-historical narrative based on Sun Tzu. The difference is using a proper historically based scenario or having a scenario more explicitly being a tutorial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 On 07/01/2025 at 7:21 PM, Vantha said: I'm not sure I get it... if there's no story, then how is it different from an ordinary game? Expand It wouldn't have a story in the traditional three act structure but it would have an introduction to the civ and show the specific mechanics of a civilization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 I would prefer each faction to have its own starting scenario in its starting campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 Here is the other alternative mode to the narrative campaign, the challenges. It will serve to practice and improve as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 On 07/01/2025 at 7:42 PM, Lion.Kanzen said: I would prefer each faction to have its own starting scenario in its starting campaign. Expand Me too, but that's sadly nowhere near feasible right now. On 07/01/2025 at 5:51 PM, ShadowOfHassen said: Yeah. Just like a short mission with each civ to get players used to mechanics. You really wouldn't be able to do justice to a lot of the cool stories with just a single mission, so just give an overview of the history. Just to reiterate, this is a different project idea not the same as the idea before. Expand Such introductions to our civs would certainly be nice to have. And, as you said, wouldn't even require that much work. Let's keep it in mind for the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 (edited) On 08/01/2025 at 7:32 PM, Vantha said: Me too, but that's sadly nowhere near feasible right now. Such introductions to our civs would certainly be nice to have. And, as you said, wouldn't even require that much work. Let's keep it in mind for the future. Expand There are already some campaigns underway but they do not have a basis or structure to support them. By support I mean the code. ----- ---- The second thing is to implement it in each alpha. Edited January 8 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 7:41 PM, Lion.Kanzen said: There are already some campaigns underway but they do not have a basis or structure to support them. By support I mean the code. ----- ---- The second thing is to implement it in each alpha. Expand What do you mean? These campaigns are fully playable, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 7:50 PM, Vantha said: What do you mean? These campaigns are fully playable, no? Expand I've never played them but they were playable scenarios in development. Alexander's campaign is complete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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