Aeros Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Welllll.... It wasn't as great or as epic as it's hyped up to be. I saw it about an hour ago. Sure there was action and some massive battles but that was it. It was almost as near an FX fest as The Matrix Revolutions, and the ending sucked almost as much (Achilles dies and then the screen fades to credits 30 seconds later)It was average, mediocre or so. The span of the movie wasn't great either, it makes the whole thing seem like it took 3 days to take over troy (or 13 if you follow the movie's timeline) while it actually was supposed to take 10 years accourding to the legend.Also there was lots of sex No nudity though, just that Achilles got to sex up atleast 4 girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wijitmaker Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Yeah I saw it too, I told Stuart, I could have done without seeing so much of Acheles' skin A shame I know absolutly nothing about the mythology and legend behind the story... oh well It was entertaining, but I pretty much agree with your setiments Bobbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeros Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 The best is when they don't build the trojan horse, it just apears the next day I love consistency errors in movies, they make dramas that much funnier to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Giant Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Grrrrrr. My post is gone... I wrote some kind of long text and then there was a crazy forums error Anyway, I'll try to write it again.I originally wanted to see the movie on Saturday together with some friends at a local movie theatre, but in the last minute, they decided to go sailing because of the good wind. So we didn't see it yet, and after all I heard from different people, it isn't so great or epic that it is necessary to hurry seeing it in the near future. We'll see.Oh, and btw: Cheezy, you said the movie ends with Achilles dieing ? That's somewhat strange, because if I'm not mistaken, the original text by Vergil/Homer says that Achilles dies already some time before the Horse comes into action and Troy finally falls... so they changed the story ? If they did, I think it's a shame they put the person of Achilles in the focus that much, because the movie is not called "Achilles" but "Troja" (German word for "Troy")... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonto_Icy_Tripod Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 From the review I've read the story has been changed, and pretty dramatically in the end too. Haven't seen it though, nor do I remember much of the legend, so I can't say if it's true...I'll probably watch it in a while, we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufinwe Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 (Indeed, Achilles is killed by Pâris standing on the walls of Troy, IIRC.Anyway, also, in Homer's Illiad, they also burnt and loomed the cities around that belonged to Troy; and overall that took over 10 years. I thought Patrocles was only Achilles's friend ... or maybe even boyfriend.Greeks were not only enjoying the company of women. Homosexuality was nearly commonly tolerated (if not accepted). Maybe Achilles and Patrocles were not only friends of arms ... but also friends in each other's arms ... Anyway, I watched it and it was entertaining. It reminded me of LotR in its way of handling the story. That is to say, adpating the original story to fit Hollywood's standards ... what a shame ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Giant Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I thought Patrocles was only Achilles's friend ... or maybe even boyfriend. From the legends view, he was his friend, I think.About the death of Achilles: I think, the legend tells that Achilles kills Hector, but is being killed by someone (don't remember if it was Paris, but I doubt that) not much later utilizing his weakness at the back of the foot (sorry, I don't have the English word at hand here ). After that, the Greeks get into serious problems because without Achilles, they are being pushed back again and again. In the end, they decide to make a final try with the horse, and they are successful as we know. Paris gets killed in the final battle around the palace of Priam, I think.But I haven't read the legend for almost a year now - so I'm not sure about all that stuff. Will probably have a look at the text again later today @Curu: Well, LotR did do some changes to the story, but nothing fundamental, like having a major character survive longer than in the original story - at least that's what I think (being not very well educated on all the LotR-Stuff though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashA Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 ahh. well. It was entertaining. But not much else. Cool battles. Thats all. The best troy movie I saw was "Helen of Troy". That movie kept strictly to the story. From the golden apple to the sack and burn of troy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Op Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Achilles kills Hector, but is being killed by someone (don't remember if it was Paris, but I doubt that) not much later utilizing his weakness at the back of the foot (sorry, I don't have the English word at hand here ). Ahh... the heel (sp?) of course. And that's way some people call weaknesses an "Achilles Heel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufinwe Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 (@Curu: Well, LotR did do some changes to the story, but nothing fundamental, like having a major character survive longer than in the original story - at least that's what I think (being not very well educated on all the LotR-Stuff though). Well, try to imagine that The Trojan Horse was actually a Trojan Dolphin, that Achilles killed Patrocles, that Hector actually kidnapped Helen, that Troy wa actually attacking Greece ... well, that is how much LotR was changed compared to Troy ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dathui Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Achilles kills Hector, but is being killed by someone (don't remember if it was Paris, but I doubt that) not much later utilizing his weakness at the back of the foot (sorry, I don't have the English word at hand here ). Ahh... the heel (sp?) of course. And that's way some people call weaknesses an "Achilles Heel". yepas far as i remember his mother lowered him into the river styx to make him invicible but she had to hold on something so his heel never got into the river, making it his only weakness.anybody remember it othervise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeOptimist Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 @dathui: That's what I remember, methinks that's how the story went... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chichigrande Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I saw the movie on Sunday. I didn't like how the movie wasn't accurate to the Illiad. There were many things wrong with the movie. The ending was horrible and I think it was rushed a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeros Posted May 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 It's #2 on my list of "worst movie endings" with the Matrix Revolutions as #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dathui Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 It's #2 on my list of "worst movie endings" with the Matrix Revolutions as #1 i remember i was frustrated over that ending for like a week after i saw them movie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argalius Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I may not see it, it's for 16 years and older in Holland, so I won't get in the cinema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorge Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Good but not great, and certainly not epic.It was not worth the price of the $13.75 movie stub, but then again so few movies are these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Giant Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 I may not see it, it's for 16 years and older in Holland, so I won't get in the cinema Huh ? Interesting... it's allowed from 12 years and older in Germany (still, I think they did cut some scenes in order to get into the 12-year limit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeros Posted May 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Rated R in the states, meaning you can't see it without an adult with you We don't exactly have age limmits.There wasn't any nudity (well, nakedness, but not nudity if you know what I mean) and it wasn't one of the most violent movies... If people wore clothes a little more the movie would probably have been PG-13, meaning it's for age 13 and above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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