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Genava55
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8 hours ago, WhiteTreePaladin said:
I think the original reasoning for the free buildings was that the Ptolemies would have had many ancient structures already built from old Egypt
Then Seleucids should have the same with Persian, Assyrian and Babylonian heritage.
I think we all agree there is not a flawless reasoning behind the free houses and free deposit. From what I know, the Ptolemaic economy is characterized by a good coinage, a good wheat production and a strong government with hierarchical institutions.
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Just now, stanislas69 said:
Assembly of princes ?
Yep.
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34 minutes ago, stanislas69 said:
Carnyx is done. Only needs animations
By the way, for people speaking French
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1 hour ago, borg- said:
I am looking forward to using it in my mod, especially if we can train carnyx unit, it would be incredible.
Cool, it is nice to see motivation to include this building
Stan did a very good job on this and it would be a shame to limit it only to Atlas.
By the way, in your mod, which faction causes you the much trouble to balance? Mauryans?
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51 minutes ago, stanislas69 said:
Specific name for the theatron ?
I suggested Remogantion (but can be Remocantion as well). Gantion or Cantion is a name for the assembly, we find it in Trigance (from Trigantia / Tricantia, three assemblies) or in Kent (from Cantium). In Old Irish it is Céite. Remos is a word meaning "prince" or "first one", it is similar to the latin Princeps which comes from Primus.
Edit: if you want something simpler for the Atlas, you can call it Cantion or Gantion, simply meaning the assembly.
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1 hour ago, stanislas69 said:
I'll commit it as an Atlas template.
Why not, but I have the same question than Sundiata, why not in the vanilla?
On 3/4/2019 at 9:04 PM, stanislas69 said:Did they have any comments on the model itself on ways it could be improved ?
He said amphora and imported goods since it is a symbol of prestige and something found on the location. Nothing more. It was a short talk about it, we were busy with the x-ray tomography of a rusty find in Switzerland (I have some experience in x-ray tomography from a previous project).
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Your shields are really pretty nice @Alexandermb !
These ones however, could be problematic to distinguish since the player color is really tiny and narrowly displayed:
And these ones with some player color, especially the player 7:
The rectangular ones are very cool on the skirmishers:
Some patterns have very often trouble to be displayed correctly, like this one that appears often like this:
I know it is based on this shield I suggested, but it seems a bit hard to have the right condition from random generation to display it correctly. Maybe it should be better if the griffin/bird heads were a bit smaller
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I am working but I take the opportunity of a break just to suggest you different damage type if you want to go in this direction.
A shield can be made from several planks, an unique large plank or from complex work similar to plywood. The shield can be covered or directly painted. The cover is generally in leather. Thus the cover can be scratched or teared. The shield bosses can also be damaged from direct blow from other shields.
An example from germanic era:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorsberg_moor
The Clonoura shield is also another example with traces of blows and hits.
The Vaedebro shield is finally an example where it is possible to see traces of fixing like metallic clip.
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@Alexandermb awesome, I will test it this evening or tomorrow. Superb work!
@wowgetoffyourcellphone thanks for the advice, I will try to keep this in mind for the design of the units!
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I talked with an archeologist that worked on Corent and he told me that the theatron is looking nice like this. They have found shield bosses in the location of the hemicycle and the idea of shields in front of the rows are plausible. They also found a Coolus helmet imported from Italy there, dated from the very beginning of the 1st century BC. The idea of a political and military assembly are indeed the prefered hypothesis.
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6 minutes ago, Alexandermb said:
note any difference?
The player color seems a bit less saturated but maybe it is because of the dark background and the wooden part of the shields seem slightly different. Right?
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Since it will be more useful there, I copied the art I disseminated in the other threads here and add a few things:
British Iron Age art:
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British shields inspiration:
SpoilerEarly La Tène Continental Iron Age art :
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Suite La Tène Continental art:
Coins art, 1st century BC mainly:
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7 hours ago, Alexandermb said:
once when finished i'll give a mod so you can examine them in game a make a schema of distribution for later apply them in factions.
Perfect
35 minutes ago, Nescio said:Which ones will be used by the Britons and which ones by the Gauls?
These shapes should be exclusive to the Britons:
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+ some other possibles candidates like smaller shields and narrower shields (like the Witham shield). Also there are unique shield bosses and decoration as candidates for them.
And the Britons should be able to share the oval shields with the other factions.
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Stop the taunting for God's sake...
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Just now, Diatryma said:
do you have a video where I can corroborate this for myself? I don't see those big battles.
unless they are promises.....
I was not clear. I am just saying that the limits between a city builder and a RTS is a bit blurry sometimes. City-builder games can borrow RTS concepts and RTS games can borrow city-builder concepts.
Dawn of Man have not huge battle, it is only about defending yourself against some waves. It is a city-builder but with a few RTS features in it.
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27 minutes ago, Diatryma said:
Dawn of man isn't a RTS. is a city builder with other mechanics.
It is like Stronghold, a mixture between a RTS and a city builder or Empire at War, a mixture between a RTS and a RTT (Real-Time Tactics). Hard to see the limit between these concepts.
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1 hour ago, Alexandermb said:
is a good start? trying to get some of them done starting by the oval Variant.
These are very nice, a lot of variation and you find a very smart way to use and assemble them for the future.
Is there a classification for the shield bosses? I mean something like shield_boss_a, shield_boss_b, etc.
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52 minutes ago, Alexandermb said:
they can be recicled to other factions? doing this means: future shields textures updates would use already done work making it faster to do and more shields variants in the future.
Clearly, yes. Shapes are shared by a lot of cultures. In fact the oval and ovalish shields are probably from the Italics and the Etruscans, and got adopted by the Celts during the 6th century BC at the end of the Hallstatt culture. Iberians started to use much more the oval shields because of the Carthaginian, Roman and Celtic influence. The thureos from the Greeks could come from an inspiration took from their experience with Italic and Celtic mercenaries during the 5th and 4th century BC and the following Gallic invasion in the 3rd century BC.
The shield bosses are more distinctive between the cultures but some can easily be shared.
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If it is possible to make an evolution for the Bariogaisatos:
Basic => no helmet, different haircuts, cape or no cape, medium or tall shields.
Advanced => Montefortino and ciumesti helmets, crested or not crested, cape or no cape, golden torcs, tall shields, shield bosses (umbo)
Elite => Port, Mihovo and Foret helmets, crested or not crested, Cape, Golden torcs and armlets, tall shields, shield bosses (umbo)
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7 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
I wish we could have noise maker units with a rechargeable effect, like in AOM.
Effect: Roman and Greek units shitt their tunica and chiton instantly
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42 minutes ago, Sundiata said:
Now that you mention it, it would be interesting to explain the ritual aspect of their nakedness (I know there's debate about it, but let's be real, it was probably ritual more than anything, no?). It wouldn't be the only civ to recruit a special unit from their temple either.
Nakedness from an Indo-European view is something common and is making reference to a kind of animality and natural force. Berserkir are often depicted as naked as well. Nakedness is often associated with homeric warriors and Greek art. 7th and 6th century hoplites are often represented as naked, notably by the Spartans and the Etruscans here, here and here (+bonus). Clearly, the thing has continued by being an artistic license but it seems that it has roots from an older ethos. Greek art, historiography and mythology are full of these archaisms about nakedness and furious warriors.
Less known, exterior from the Indo-European world, some Assyrians warriors have been described as naked enraged warrior in the Tukulti-Ninurta Epic: “They are furious, raging, taking forms strange as Anzu (Assyrian eagle-dragon). They charge forward furiously to the fray without armor, They had stripped off their breastplates, discarded their clothing, They tied up their hair and polished… weapons, The fierce heroic men danced with sharpened weapons. They blasted at one another like struggling lions…”
Nakedness in religious function is also known in India with the gymnosophists (as they were called by the Greeks). But in the case of the Wales mythology, it is making reference to youthfulness and to championship. Irish mythology shows that furious warriors can take any rights through their strength, even women and properties. Tacitus account of the Germanic Chatti suggest the same, where these warriors are sacred, start any battle and have the right to go where they want.
In my opinion, fighting naked is a mean to access to higher position and higher recognition. Maybe it opens the right to enter the retinue of some nobles or some warrior brotherhoods. Probably it was something more common in youth peoples to start their warrior career.
How much it is related to rituals and religion? If we look into the Germanic culture, there are rituals and rites before acting like a heroic warrior. Some kind of oaths to take in front of its comrades, an offering to do, an animal to skin or a dance to perform... there are indications for all of these.
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3 minutes ago, Alexandermb said:
thoughts on this illustration for posibly peytral?
The artist took his inspiration from the re-enactment of a french association:
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Excepted the infamous round shield, the illustration is legit. These kind of attachments in the front of the horses are plausible. An example from a relief in North Italy:
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@wackyserious If you want a variant for the Britons:
SpoilerAnd if you want variation for the head, you can use the bird helmet from Tintignac as a variant too.
But for me, the druid is ok.
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===[COMMITTED]=== Celtic Shields
in Completed Art Tasks
Posted
Some patterns and symbols from continental La Tène:
Gallic_patterns_symbols.zip