LetswaveaBook
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On 26/01/2022 at 5:44 PM, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:On 26/01/2022 at 5:28 PM, LetswaveaBook said:
There is to little relevant specialization of units
True, in a25 units either take damage and dont deal it, or deal damage and dont take it, with a few notable exceptions (these are the most fun units to use). Battles are 100% predicted by who will lose their melee first.
I was actually talking about the efforts on which your units spend most of their time: Namely collecting stuff or getting being garrisoned (for healing or extra defense).
For example a weak&cheap unit that has its function to scout for attackers and garrisoning forts in case of an attack could have an interesting role. It also could be a good worker unit.
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33 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
The team could also do something like this.
I like that. The beat wouldn't give you a cozy feeling, but the calm female voice brings comfort in the song.
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Okay, I had a glass of wine. So the first lines could be:
We will cherish all our units from the start. (11 Syllables)
We honour (not honor) all the blossoms near our town. (10 Syllables)
And the wildlife is a welcome sight. (9 Syllables-assuming life and come are 1)
A house, is what we will first construct. (9 Syllables)
Oh, mighty thirty diligent souls, (9Syllables)
may you lay the holy foundations (9Syllables)
for our proud rightfully empire. (9Syllables)
Harborring a temple of marble, (9Syllables)
is what our gods truly deserve. (9Syllables)
Only with their help, we persevere (9Syllables)
Thus true glory, will befall us all. (9 Syllables)
Such is the reason, why we combat, (9 Syllables)
To defend honours granted to us. (9 Syllables)
Blood is spilled in the gods names. (9 Syllables)
Should this displease our holyness, (9 Syllables, counting please as 1)
then they surely wouldn't put me as flank. (9 Syllables, counting sure- as one)
I've done the first 4 paragraphs. I think this is a good point to move to the next verse. Since 0AD is a community project I give all of you the chance to add paragraph or improve existing ones. Remember for a good anthem we need 10+ paragraphs.
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Since there are many German suggestion, I will mention the first verse of the song Eisenmann by Rammstein.
Mein Herz schlägt für Metall.
Eisen gibt es überall.
Die Familie der Metalle
Ist die härteste von allen.
Du musst mit dem Eisen sprächen.
Ja, du sollst das Eisen lieben.
Dann wird es sich zerbrechen.
Wird es sich für dich verbiegen?--Beter goed gejat, dan slecht bedacht.
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11 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:
I am sad to see the iber bonus get nerfed again, but I think it is for the best until other civs get good team bonuses
I think the different ranged units should ideally be well balanced. If the Iberian team bonus gives a major boost to skirmishers, then it upset the balance no matter how skirmishers are balanced.
Currently skirmishers are a lot better than archers. Adding the Iberian bonus only adds insult to injury for the archer player.
In A24, skirmishers with the Iberian team bonus weren't awful. However it meant that having skirmishers was no fun without the Iberian team bonus.
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5 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:
I can test this mod this weekend.
I was also planning to try to host some team games.
5 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:Skiri sound really fun now
Rank 2 swordsmen are very capable fighters especially if melee infantry gets an attack boost. I am curious if it is balanced or whether they just run down any opposing infantry. At least Spartans lack a champion that boost the power of Skiritai.
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By they way, if you downloaded the mod allready, I changed the aura range for the kushite pyramids.
50 meter is what vali suggested earlier and adopting the changes make it in sinc. I think pyramids for this cost will be close to OP. However I am not against testing how good it is.
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@MarcusAureliu#s wanted Rome to have the best militairy. That would fit with this idea
Romans: Can open/close the doors of Janus in the temple. When closed the temple has no additional aura. When opened Infantry trains 20% faster and need -20% experience for promotion but they gather resources 20% slower.
On 23/01/2022 at 10:37 PM, Grapjas said:On 23/01/2022 at 10:16 PM, LetswaveaBook said:Also I have been thinking about differentiation and what I would consider interesting is giving Persians skirmishers that cost -20 wood and have 20% less attack. It would symbolize their larger infantry numbers that were not their main force. The skirmishers have -20% attack, but with +10% population space you will still have a potent force.
I kind of like the idea. More logical would be to do this for archers i think as they generally came in larger numbers than skirmishers. But gameplay wise i think doing it for skirmishers is better.
Some searches on the internet seem to confirm that the Achaemenids indeed fielded more archers than skirmishers. However cheaper skirmishers does not mean that a player makes more skirmishers than archers. That decision is entirely to the player and players tend to chose for skirmishers.
Maybe I am ruining this tread with concrete suggestions. I think concrete suggestions are needed if you want to pick up some pace.
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I think we need to try some opportunities for differentiating civs. I recently made a mod change gameplay as a whole, but a more conservative approach would be to only differentiate a few factions. Also since gameplay mainly stays the same, people do not need to adapt as much to the new settings to enjoy the game.
I differentiated the following factions:
Athenians: Can now reasearch economic technologies for 50% less metal. Coupled with the extra metal mining speed this encourages players to use p2 earlier than other factions.
Gauls; Can now train fanatics for -20 metal in 15 seconds. This should allow fanatic rushes to be more succesful. Also the slinger becomes available in p2 in the CC, which means that if you go to p2 early without barrack, you can use that precious stone to train infantry (slingers).
Kushites: Can build small pyramids for 150 stone in p1 and have 50 meter aura. This makes their eco unique.
Mauryans: Can build pillars in p2. Pillars reduce the research time of nearby structures by 50%.
Persians: Can now train spear cavalry in p1 at the CC as well as jav cav. Their skirmishers cost -20 wood and have -20% attack. Having access to the skirmisher is an now a bigger advantage for the boom, encouraging Persians to reach p2 earlier. Their CS melee cav and archer cav is now better(see below) also encouraging p2 play more. It also creates a quantity of quality approach for Persian infantry.
Romans: Can open/close the doors of Janus in the temple. When closed the temple has no additional aura. When opened Infantry trains 20% faster and need -20% experience for promotion but they gather resources 20% slower.
Spartans: Skiritai are now rank 2 but move 30% faster. I am curious to see if faster speed is more fun than bare strength.
Also I want to add a few minor balance changes
Archer v skirms changes
Archery tradition is 50% cheaper, but requires p2 (a net buff as nobody would do the tech in p1 anyway)
Iberian team bonus only reduces the food cost of skirmishers by 10%.
Cavalry changes: Rome/Iber Champion cavalry nerf: Rome cav loses 2 pierce&hack armor, while Iber champ cav loses 9 pierce attack.
Merc cav now cost 95 metal.
Spear cav gets +1 hack/pierce armor and axe cav gets +2 hack and +1 pierce armor.
Promoting CS units from rank 2 to 3 now requires +50% XP
Melee infantry get +9.1% attack (NB This also affects the skiritai and fanatic).
ps: I also worked on another mod and posted at the forum earlier. However rest assured that I won't spam mod suggestions as I do not intend to make more than these two. For the other see https://wildfiregames.com/forum/topic/68779-expansiongameplay/?do=getNewComment
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On 23/01/2022 at 10:57 PM, MarcusAureliu#s said:
Actually i was thinking here on a more abstract skale, defining targets for each civ, where they should become strong or weak compared to other civs
I think that approach is a little to abstract. The methods first requires people to agree on how much bars a faction should get in one area. Once that is settled you need to create bonusses that are according to those bars. And people will disagree on whether a faction has enough bonusses to get as much power as the bars dictate.
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23 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
in the last phase it can become boring.
If you aske me: here are three problems:
1. players can only use the area inside their territory, which is a small portion of the map.
2. p2 lacks awesomeness. Only mercenary play seems to be a good alternative to staying in p1 longer.
3. There is to little relevant specialization of units.
That is why I suggested to make skiritai and mercenary infantry able to gather berres and hunt quickly and allow in p2 farmsteads in neutral territory.
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If outposts have a smaller alert range than CC, I might build outposts right next to the CC
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On 19/01/2022 at 8:21 PM, ValihrAnt said:
Reduce Civic Center cost to 350 Wood + 300 Stone
A civic center gives 20 population (2 houses), can train military (1 barracks) and is a dropsite for wood/minerals. So in that sense it is worth at least 600 wood and 100 wood. I am ignoring the fact that it allows to funciton as a food dropsite, provides territory expanse and has defensive capabilities.
So I would think 350 wood and 300 stone is to cheap, especially if you are Carthage or have the Seleucid team bonus.
On 19/01/2022 at 8:21 PM, ValihrAnt said:Reduce Territory influence gain from 30% to 25% in P2 and from 50% to 25% in P3
I think territory increase for p3 could go down. However I would like something to compensate for it, like cheaper theatres for Greeks.
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@MarcusAureliu#s, could you convert it to PDF?
Also I have been thinking about differentiation and what I would consider interesting is giving Persians skirmishers that cost -20 wood and have 20% less attack. It would symbolize their larger infantry numbers that were not their main force. The skirmishers have -20% attack, but with +10% population space you will still have a potent force.
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12 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Well, depends on what you consider "80% done" to mean.
That's true. But we can say that some factions have way more personality than others.
OPtolemies, Kushites, Seleucids and Mauryas have way more unique features than many others. Many factions feel bland apart from having a different roster/heroes and minor bonusses.
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On 23/12/2021 at 8:07 AM, maroder said:
Have to agree
I would vote to just include every civ from DE that is over 80 percent done. Then do balancing by grouping civs.
If we rotate in every civ of delenda est that is over 80% done and rotate out any civ from A25 that is not 80% done, we would end with a game were we only have Iberians, Carthaginians, Ptolemies, Kushites, Seleucids and Mauryas.
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2 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:
I am not sure if you wanted free livestock available at all corrals or just the gaia ones, but free livestock seems like a nice way to allow for both fields and corral food income through the whole timespan of a match.
The option to train them for free would be offset by the long training times. In the mod, you can train a goat in 2 minutes for free or a cow in 6 minutes. Spending resources to build a corral and getting a cow 6 minutes after completion of the corral does not seem OP.
I also did some analysis on cattle without cost but long training time.
https://wildfiregames.com/forum/topic/67691-regular-trainslow-train-corral-feature/?do=getNewComment
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Currently the game in many cases encourages players to stay within their own territory for the first territory, apart from a little cavalry opening. I would like to try a mod to change that resulting in more dynamic play where controlling the neutral territory is more important. I am aiming these changes to benefit the early game in 1v1s or 2v2s (where there is relatively much neutral territory). So that leads to these changes.
-stables now have a batch multiplier of 0.7 as training mass cavalry felt to slow early on. (Later in the game, players can easily afford multiple stable resulting in smaller batches and then this change becomes less impactful)
-I created a map (Mainland with corrals) where players start with a corral and corrals have the option to train cattle for free, but that option requires 6x the training time. Since this change means extra cattle, it encourages cavalry play.
- in the map map (Mainland with corrals), there are neutral corrals to be found. Corrals do not have territory decay. Controlling these corrals thus gives the option to train cattle for free.
- For balance, the corral upgrade moved to p2. A cow can be trained for free in 360 seconds and has 300 food. So an unupgraded corral will produce 50 food (in the form of livestock) per minute and an upgraded one will produce 66.67. If you have 3 corrals the upgrade pays back in about 150 seconds
Other reasons p2 is now more important:
Cavalry get +25% health on with the health upgrade. As a compensation, they don't benefit from the first armor upgrade.
-second attack and defense upgrade available in p2. The 2nd armor upgrade is split of from the first one, such that cavalry users don't need to research the 1st one, as it no longer benefits cavalry. Personally I consider it bad that in A25 there is a huge difference in unit strength between p3 and p2.
-p2 allows the player to build farmsteads in neutral territory for more efficient hunting/ berry gathering
-mercenaries and skiritai are now good at collecting berries or hunt (being rank 2 slows them by 30%).
-If you want to collect far hunt with your units, then you are in luck as gather capacity upgrades cost now -100 wood.
-archery tradition now has its cost halved but it is a p2 tech.
->This means you can collect all the food on the map, which makes scouting more important to know where the food is and which food is being taken by your enemy.
There is in A25 a big difference between the effiiciency of mercenary cavalry and regular cavlary. This is changed
-Mercenary cavalry now cost 60 food and 60 metal, but can hunt (being rank 2 slows them by 30%).
-Promoting to rank 3 requires +50% more XP
-Mercenaries need 20% more XP to promote than rank 2 CS need (so in total 1.8 times as much as rank 1 units)
If you want to expand to control extra territory, you will also have an easier time
- newly build CCs cost -100 of each resource and -100 build time. They can often also train units that a normal CC can't. However they have less HP, capture points, default arrows and less territory. If you want to have a "normal" CC then you can upgrade the newly build CC to a regular one, similar to how you can upgrade sentry towers.
-Gauls and Britons get as tribal faction the option to build CCs for -100 stone. That means for 1100 resources, you get a building that can train like a barracks, supports 20 population, is a dropsite and can shoot arrows like a tower.
If splitting your units makes you more vulnarable you can choose for extra options at the towers
-sentry towers can be upgraded in p1 to stone towers for 100 wood and stone.
-stone towers shoot 2 arrows by defealt.
-the sentries tech has reduced price.
-Other tower technologies are now affordable as well.
Notable faction specific changes
Gauls: Naked fanatics now cost less metal and train faster. They get also a slinger in the CC upon reaching p2. CCs are cheaper (and benefit from the gallic building bonus)
Kushites: Can now build pyramids in p1 for 150 stone (might be to cheap)
Persians: Can train now both spear and jav cav in the CC in p1. In newly build CCs they can train hoplite mercenaries.
Spartans: Skiritai are now rank 2 but move 30% faster and are good at hunting/collecting berries.
Also for better balance: Spear cav +1 armor and melee infantry +0.5 attack.
The reason for posting this on the forum is to find people that might want to try these changes.
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1 hour ago, Player of 0AD said:
I'd like to remind that it would be really helpful if matches could be loaded. That would decrease the damage of the "ddosing" already a lot. The savegame could easily be extracted from the replay.
I don't want to bother the devs with what is asked over and over again, but this would seem to be really useful if the DDOSing can not be solved directly.
@Stan` I know A26 might be to soon, but could one of the requirements for A27 please be having saved games for multiplayer?
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I have found a way to add random gaia corrals to the map, using the assets in the danubius map and the feldmap mod.
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@wowgetoffyourcellphone We can disagree about the details. But his idea is to good to not be part of A26 IMHO. Also fattening of animals would be nice, if it would not be tedious for the player to manage. Has any progress been made to incorporate it with A26?
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With the introduction of A23 feature have been cut and the mercenary change probably affected your boom significantly. I was thinking about adding some features to make exploration and map control more important.
1. Corrals have the option to train cattle for free, but with increased train time.
Since it requires no food to train cattle, having a corral is an strict advantage, whereas currently it is only an advantage if you consider it worthwhile to spend food on training cattle.
2. Create a map that has gaia corrals that can be captured.
3. Disable territory decay such that captured corrals in neutral territory don't decay.
Steps 1&3 were easy. I would like if someone could give me the code to achieve step 2.
The polar sea map gives an example on how to add owned buildings. I also was able to change the radius such that the corral is placed outside your territory, but it is still owned. However I don't know any good code to add randomly generated gaia corrals to the map. It would be desirable if these randomly generated corrals don't spawn near or very close to your territory. I also made a mod that shows progress I made with making a map.
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2 hours ago, Player of 0AD said:
I agree. This is what makes macemen and catapults less useful than they should be.
At the other hand the crush armor makes elephants less OP than they would be if the crush armor would be lower.Weaker crush armor does not make elephants stronger if you simultaneously lower their crush attack.
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@Player of 0AD I think units have to much crush armor.
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Anthem of 0AD
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I think the Swedish anthem has a similar style.