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ballon d'? ill assume you mean to twist my point into "only someone personally accomplished and at the top of their field should have the right to commentate on others performance". First of all that example doesnt work, someone can far more likely and easily have a great understanding of football with lack of physical capacity to play at the top level than have a great understanding of 0ad but not be able to play it at a level of 1600. This can be transferred over to 0ad insofar as mental capacity and strategic or informational understanding are 2 different things, 90-95% of the game is micro/macro/stamina. Nevertheless vast majority of people who played long enough, to have an absolutely basic conceptual understanding of the game, will have developed enough capacity to utilize this understanding and in a combined effect of these 2 things they most likely surpass 1300-1500 in skill, yes exceptions exist but we cant embed our thinking in exceptions obviously. i did say i dont see a point of a -1600 commentating on a game for others to learn from it, i will add to that that anyone below 1300 would most definitely be totally unable to commentate in an entertaining, productive or informative manner for the enjoyment of anyone who actually plays the game. to use the sports example not to extend the explanation further, imagine you are watching football, and the commentator is yelling @#$% like "why didnt he grab the basketball! he coulve thrown it into the net more easily that way!" "why are these idiots sitting outside the field? if they helped out then their team would win much more easily!" etc. theres a limit and its completely reasonable to say someone who doesnt understand some level of basics can not competently commentate. can this be entertaining for some people who have 0 understanding of the game? sure, i suppose but you cant fault me for saying this is ridiculous. So dont misunderstand my intent as "if people dont have a PERFECT understanding they shouldnt commentate". Cant recall how many times ive watched commentary and the commentator is passionately complaining and criticizing a play that was completely correct, or blaming the outcome on some completely unrelated and insiginificant factors, etc. or even spectators that dont know what they are talking about informing others of their so believed genial observations. My concern really isnt someone who is 1200 or 900 commentating, its the annoying delusion in terms of how much they think they understand, speaking with full confidence and arrogance, getting into details, or complete fantasy of their own making stating blatantly ridiculous things with full authority over and over again for 90% of the commentary that i feel is pointless. if the player understands where they stand and comprehends their margin of understanding even watching a 900 can be enjoyable, they could be lets say amazed at some feats they couldnt perform, or confused about some things, trying to understand whatever, even if incorrectly as long as the perception isnt that they know for a fact what is happening. as long as they dont explain in depth 20 step theories left and right that detach from reality from step 1 and go into absurd nonsense afterwards.

I wanna reply to a few points of the commentary. 1.early stable being too expensive and not giving value because you cant sustain production from it: i believe since mayu gets extreme excess of extras, per pop this gives much more production value(eco rate), in the same way one gets earlier barack when extra several berries, compared to no extras, per 1 woman, you get 2-3x eco on food(berries vs farms), ie if to rly simplify, 30 pop with berries being used gives far more production than 30 pop with farms. this being said i was doing the early stable strat for the first time from what i recall, so i did it too early, perhaps by 30-40 sec by either starting it early, or putting too many units on it, which + other eco mistakes caused idle time. 2."must attack when making that many cav early": i dont see making 6 women, then 5 cav (20 pop, 5 cav) as super early and unnaceptably costly to sustain without immediate agression/rush, especially as mayu hunting being a detrement. i dont agree and i dont see why you feel eco-ing with cav is bad for eco, or puts you behind When there is hunt availible, and one is adding onto those cav(increasing numbers initiative to later rush) why would you feel only offense is the option? yes i know cav very slightly more expensive for eco, when using to gather hunt, as opposed to making women for berries but given that i was then planning to add on more cav, the cav gathering hunt is only option for large mass(15+). Important point being of course, that enemy doesnt scout you, once they do scout you immediately initiate attack not to lose initiative. Point of rush ofc is to apply stress drastic enough to break the enemies adaptive qualities(ie better attack with 5 cav enemy hasnt scouted, than 15 cav enemy scouted u making 1-2 min ago and had plenty of time to prepare, make men/tower/what have you.) The whole point of mayu, i maximally utilize, for as long a time as allowed, taking as much netural as possible, or viable. with your rhetoric(go immediately, hunting is wasteful of time more than is benefitial via res accrual or otherwise unless post agression, or with a few while rushing), mayu would be mostly useless(still usable tho), you are criticizing the very viability of ele, given if i shouldnt use neutral hunt, and mass with it, thats the main point of op-ness of mayu negated, and if you think merely hunting AFTER rush is the only option, or post agression, with not all cav availible this makes no sense as you are decimating the profit potential of the mayu advantage, by merely using it mildly, partially and post key benefit window timeframe(after u attack, not b4 to mass up the attack force via neutralhunt i mean), basically eating crumbs and throwing away the sandwich. 3. The point about me being able to send 5 cav and force ur woodline to retreat, which you said was better than "idling" or implied half-assing of a rush: n1 i didnt have location of ur woodline scouted, so i couldnt attack you there immediately, directly, with ease or without some delay of going around the wrong way 50%, etc n2 even if i find the woodline, 5 cav most likely wont do the damage you were describing, in nash equilibreum(both sides playing perfect) you would most likely retreat for 2-3sec , giving enough time for ur cav to rejoin your 4 men, now it being 5v5 with 2 archer 2 spear 1 cav vs 5 cav realistically, as it often does it would end up in spearmen being exchanged for cav, as spear(s) get close to cav the 5cav side retreats back, spears die off with 1/2 cav dying too, all rest(2arch/cav) get into cc, and ofc while after all this happens maybe your cc has 10-15 more sec left to get the next cav/inf batch out(2-3 or 4), so no potential of houses/storehouse being captured, ofc also 2archers defend(deterrent) well vs such things via harass, and easily retreating to cc if chased. ofc if reality were as you had described, that 5 cav could easily win in perfect play vs 4spear/archer infsize every1 would do it every time. im not saying this strat doesnt work, im saying most likely it wouldnt work against a player of your skill level, or even a 2000 or 1900. but the actuality is my 5 cav cost a great deal of res(750+far higher traintime), walktime/searching for target. the fact that i made stable for the purpouses of training units at a much faster rate, with 2 prod buildings, relying on heightened eco from extras meant i HAD to hunt with 5 cav, had i sent them sr8 to you as you said wouldve been best, id have no production, as happened because of my misplays multiple times during the game(not sending women to berries/getting baskets on time, not having some cav hunt(1-2 or injured ones), many more i forget. The mild delay for ur wood women to walk to ccwood, and then back to woodline, while ur men fight me off(equal unitcost res exchange at best for me 200/200 or so), and reinforcements get trained isnt worth my 750 investment that i got an equal exchange on + lost all initiative as now u know my state and that i can make more cav afterwards, and uve made more military(cav/inf). Even worse if i wasnt mayu, and generally just atacked with 5cav(can be done with any javcav civ ofc) now i have no targets, my cav are guranteed value drain/burden/lost investment because you have the info, and will surely adapt with ease and close off all chance of me getting value(in perfect play ofc, which isnt unrealistic or unreasonable, jav cav are simple to counter and extremely familiar to all players) 4. point about either attacking all in, or ecoing all in, no half assing(i completely agree with sentiment ofc, you cant have your cake and eat it too, point of an action is to make a sacrifice in one avenue while overloading in a specific avenue, far above your enemies level as to get initiative, a snowball effect(geometric progression)result with a linear investment/sacrifice) ex 10 vs 15, 5 arent left alive, more like 8-9. with gathering hunt, 24/7 as long as ur cav are employed in eco you dont have any gameending, or improper play level, real severe drain on eco compared to the opponent, you dont at all fall behind(at least pre enemy starting to make men as carth, for minerals, but i play carth so i know generally at least 20 women are made, which tells me the timing of a general build order) and based on how long he lets you mass, without scouting you, and thereby being unable to prevent/counter you actually get more insane initiative, more and more so the longer you "waste time", as you said when you were dissaproving of me attacking at such a late stage as min 3.05. the future potential of a guranteed win lets say 20 cav vs 7 men or something, outweights the 100-300 res worth of loss in eco value stalling the immediate option to attack for a few min. not even fully speaking of the boost in later advantage that having extras untouched in ur base, compared to enemy who used them up, while u were draining midextras gives. 5. split units, 5/4 bad, better to go all together. while i generally agree with this sentiment; I do know it was my mistake, needed to scout woodline with 2 cav harass far ahead of the attack and forgot. I had just improvised on the spot, given unit positions of mine, and walktime/initiative wasteage that would come from me organizing them into a single group, also keeping in mind the 50% chance of huge time waste since hadnt scouted yet, and this way cav could find berries sooner if split apart, engage sooner, stall eco sooner at least with taunt/harass. this was not pre-planned, i also presumed that they could reconnect at behind, after the berry harass but afterwards decided against it having seen your numbers and knowing attacking further was pointless with 8 cav after scuiciding 1 cav+bit of dmg incured on the rest. i saw you scouted me and thereby had to attack immediately planning to not let you make men, thats why i didnt have the time to scout you, already having forgotten to do so beforehand. It did work quite well, my on the spot plan of distracting you with 5 cav, expecting you to focus on them with all men, and feel that your woodline was threatened, so that i could target your berries with rest, having scouted enough area to know where id find the berries at(at the back, front was scouted. 2 women dead, 1 cav dying was purely my micro mistake of idling them too long under line of fire, and 2 was the bare minimum i shouldve been able to kill, bad execution, not bad strategy, no men wouldve been in cc when you see woodline being cavrushed, youd bring all in, to get most optimal kd vs 5 and + not have me add in more and win vs ur 90-95%, while few were in cc for no reason. 6. keep in mind that this isnt an "ALL IN" as you state in title of your video i understand given last 2 or maybe 3 plays vs you, of same interesting setup carth. vs mayu. you would think that this would be an all in, since maybe 2/3 or 3/3 of the previous plays were all ins, and for all of them you thought they were, having not watched any replays and simply inferred. i woudnt call making 6 women, and then making even more women along the way also, an all in, which also gives me slight leeway in terms of few mins of delay or flexibility room as to how i act, as opposed to str8 0 women/men train, allcav b4 atack, keep only 8 workers on eco type build. i had maybe 17 women or so at some point, when 15 cav were attacking(and scuiciding 1+dmg+scuiciding position/engage which cost me the game, as had many other instances i failed, for example another being right after, where ur spearmen had a lot of time needed to come, and i was far ahead in numbers, retreated cav for no reason, letting u kill of my spearmen/attack archers). as long as i have hunt to gather, it have 0 forced all in only option move so the strat itself isnt an all in rush nessesarily.

none of the games are worth covering except the last one, and maybe one where i kill the ele(forget which one it was, probably one of the later ones).

i dont see any point of people below 1600 "covering games" from what i have seen of them theres only incorrect info that would harm the spectators understanding or skill. i suggest being extremely general and objective(purely reacting to occurence), avoid statements, facts, opinions or insights or simply adding "i think" and low player skill disclaimer helps also. nevertheless im completely fine with it.

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is there a way to make a triangle, behind enemy, that prevents your ranged unit from shooting behind the said enemy? how demanding would this be computationally? i mean lets say 30 degree triangle, i guess for 400 units ud need something like 400*400 calculations times 2. point being no sniping, giving mele real value.

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i will post separately, because for some reason comands and metadata can be attached only separately and different ones get mixed up sometimes. 1st one: metadata.json commands.txt second one: metadata.json commands.txt third one: metadata.json commands.txt fourth one: metadata.json commands.txt

no i have not tried delenda Est.

Bing back SLAVES.

I deleted the discord, had like 60 ppl but inactive.

how do you guys do the .zip upload? i can only do commands.txt + metadata.json separately, and sometimes they get mixed up if i upload 2 games at once i think. chris vs vinme 0/2 commands.txt metadata.json commands.txt metadata.json

maybe you are getting smarter, so much so that your perspective on my writing changes

Pff, no one is as good as chrstgr, he is undeniably n4 and everyone knows it.

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i dont even know the biome names lol since they changed it all and added 50 different biomes but ill assume you are questioning the viability of having smaller groups on a low wood map. about maps with thoes larger trees, scattered around thoes maps are largely broken, insofar as cav get a huge multiplier in value for obvious already stated reasons, and such rarely played maps are never balanced/fair for all civs, generally these maps favour certain civs, so ppl should pick these civs, or for a challenge play a badly fitting one. for example naval maps favor civs like athen, with its op hero that is still rarely used or iber with the fireships, ect. about maps with any amount of cuttable wood, consider getting baskets(+5) from storehouse as this reduces walktime, and allows for far higher concentration of units per woodline, abeit the woodline runs out sooner, then you move them to the next one, this allows ofc for larger groups on woodlines. in 1v1 consider, that carthage requires a significant amount of time from investing start point > arriving with swordcav on your property. this nessesitates that if one wants to start massing swordcav, one must p2 earlier as starting swordcav vis p2 ing at the conventional time, would lead you to engage the atack at basically a point when enemy is p3,or going p3, which is already too late, you can hardly mass swordcav if you cant deal damage as you STACK them, as this would be to inneficient to just mass 5 by 5 as all of them idle. i usually p2 start at around 80-110 pop from what i recall and this allows me to atack enemy when their pop is far higher, not sure at what point but ill guess 120-160? i believe objectively valis nub 45 pop p2 build is.. nub. he has beaten many players with it purely because of the skill gap, conpensating for the builds disadvantage. if enemy atacks you at that point, with 3 swordcav they have pretty much killed themselves, unless they click faster than you in which case they win either way eventually. you should always have, unless enemy severely stunts their eco, more than 30 men to atack with, you can make 1 tower on woodline and palaside it off, if you really dont want him atacking your woodline with his cav(depending on cav count perhaps more towers are justified), or move to cc wood, ofc keep few men back to garison cc either way. yes standard defense strategy against inf rush is generally very viable if done perfectly, but inf rushes(given superior men count) should not be underestimated. p2 towers require enough time to build that if you see them, you can prevent them with ease with a larger army, p1 towers arent as strong, there are many many targets you can have, assuming he garisons his baracs, embassies, there are still houses and now he has less men as each barac would need 10 not to get cauptured(lets say you atack at 130 pop, with 70 men, blacksmith techs ranged, pierce, mele) you should be able to do a significant amount of damage, if playing properly and not wasting time, ofc most important aspect here is pre scouting so you know his layout, his woodlines, ect. if he sees you coming towers can still be captured, you should have a significant enough advantage given he will have far less men, and not enough swordmercs(if you atack asap when he starts massing), still thought 0ad is largely about luck so it can go either way. keep in mind lets say sword/jav have like 15-20% advantage if not more vs spear/archer in a direct fight, let alone at a surplus when advantage becomes geometric. all women should be able to garrison given houses give 10/6 ratio of pop/garison capability, if you have at least 40% of your pop as men(and you should have at least 50% when inf rushing ) you should be able to garrison all women, assuming everything is towered(not that expensive just woodline basically, 1-2 towers more than enough usually) towers protecting eachother, some within cc arrow range. palasides around fields should come after a certain amount of cav is seen, maybe 8 swordcav, and should cost minimal amount of wood as in a25 fields are extremely vunerable and you should have it largely walled off with buildings, thereofre more than 100-200 wood for palasides shouldnt be nessesary. yes large wood biomes are bad for cav rushes. atacker does have the efficiency advantage on micro/macro/stamina as they know what they are doing, when the action will happen while defender must process within a second or 2 what to do, then react to this suprise, while maintaining macro(eco) and this puts stress on stamina more so than atacking.

ppl have noted the spearmans inability to force an engage, this is as it should be, the main point is that the swords cant engage spearmen(assuming equal cost accounting for civ specialty, metal scarcity/minining inneficiencies, ect, ect.), yes mixing in ranged units is essential, depending on the size of the enemy army, usually more cav=more spearmen, even upto 60% spearmen comp i believe. one of the main issues, i feel is completely useless and worthless spear cav, that just barely beat sword cav in 1v1 from what i recall, and jav cav as well, very insiginficant advantage, even less of an advantage in larger group fights as ranged units get an advantage of being able to atack at once, as enemy moves through, and around the living obstacles. and even after all of this, spear cav are totally useless vs anything but cav. i recomend boosting spear cav atack damage somewhere inbetween their current atack damage, and sword cav damage. lets say change atack rate from 1.25 to 1 (this would boost dps by 20%) and reduce multiplier to like 1.5 or something.

the part about ranged accuracy per rank up is interesting, how many times have you tested this? 0ad fights are extremely random, even 50 vs 50 equal fights can go either way with drastic variations, unless tested like 10-15 times and averaged out i wouldnt trust a result 100%. also i was pretty sure probably bad accuracy could be good in large fights like 100 vs 100 as the misses could hit adjacent enemy unit, avoiding overkill but now that i think about it your result seems more accurate and i assume dead units will still have projectiles pass through them, giving same result of mis shots potentially hitting nearby enemies.

whats wrong with having extreme weak and strong points balancing each other out? is that not the point of the game? if there are no variations of stats, factors, ect then its no longer fun, then civs lose their uniqueness ect. also it is not a one trick pony, carthage also has avalible to it other mercs sword inf merc, jav merc, sling merc all with superior stats altho ranged ones largely useless accuracy boost given p2 battles are too large and bad accuracy is probably even benefitial. spear cav mercs are rarely used but also there. also carth has elephants as well as all other siege, 2 great heroes and spear champs from temple. while some of these things are all not as signficant without these things the only sword merc cav advantage wouldnt be enough to make carth viable.

they are a specialty, unit, just skimmed thru the dev thing dizaka started, they have no idea what they are talking about and im too tired/disinterested to adress every point , and argue over it since it would take hours. ill adress only 2 points made. 1: 10 vs 10 spear vs sword mercs spearmen die, so that must mean sword merc cavs are op. 2: sword merc cav almost beat skiritai commando, or are similar in strength so sword merc cavs are op. first of all merc cav swords are a specialty unit, jsut like skiritai, that are only avalible p2, as all sword cav. you have to take into account taht only a single civ has these units, carthage, no other civ has sword merceneries, and most civs have trouble massing cav merceneries given the production buildings cost too much like colonies 600, need to walk ,separate, to protect must spread out units ect. carthage has extremely weak build, other than mercs, that is their SPECIALTY so ofc they must excell at it, as it is rn pikes are op, and sword inf are viable as well in inf battles, but spear inf is the weakest mele infantry right now, archers have become very weak again in a25, not as bad as a23 but not far from it. carthage objectively even with this great unit sword merc cav is not even in top 5 strongest civs, everyone knows this as the cons balance out the pros. 10 spear shouldnt be able to beat a SPECIALTY unit that requires metal(so metal techs), additional production buildings(200 res), and should be a stronger version of regular cav. keep in mind regular cav cost 1500 res for 10 unlike 1000 for spear. i do believe 80 metal seems odd given 100/60 ratio of inf mercs then 60% of 150 is 90 but keep in mind that metal is expensive to mine compared to wood 0.75/0.5 so 50% more gain on wood than metal(less efficient, requires men for proper efficiency unlike wood/food that can be cut/gathered by women). and metal is more scarce than wood/food on standard maps. so a civ SPECIALTY unit (stronger than 1500 costing standard counterpart) can beat 1000 costing standard counter units? nothing wrong with that. 2: sword merc cav can almost beat skiritai commando? that is not appropriate, but this is an issue with sparta balancing more so than it is about carthage balancing, also do keep in mind that sword cav, or cav in general are the direct counter to sword inf, given their high hack armor added with high dps/hp although sword cav hav 1 less hack armor than spear cav it has to be kept in mind that cav hitpoints mainly come from hp, unlike mele where it often largely comes from armor therefore 3 hack is high for cav, even if it is low for inf. 80 costing unit, that has far less traintime, and has far far superior movement speed(highly valuable stat) shouldnt be able to beat 125 costing unit(altho only small part of it is metal (35)) given they are both specialty units unique to their own civs. to finish up i wanna mention 2 things. first of all cav are generally far stronger in tgs, because of the large map movement speed stat appericates in value, as well as multiple targets, with far more openings for entry, atack, manuvering. ability to move your power quickly is very viable and complete lack of cooperation and coordination of teams only excacerbates this. secondly if carthage cant do damage with this, 1 tool they have they are finished often given they mass a large amount, there are ways to counter carthage cav, and most other civs have equal or superior advantages/specialties. other mercs are lagely underused, and i feel the res avalibility factor would come into play more so if people played more defensively, where accumulating float would be nessesary before a fight as to sustain training units but this wont happen a25 i think given extremely weak buildings, there are usually too many openings to close to turtule/play strategically and not agressively where larger army/better eco wins by default as you cant avoid fights if your defensive buildings deal less dps than archers, with 0 tech. often people dont get mele damage upgrades, and hack armor upgrades which can give upto 50% advantage to carth sword cavs, often people dont secure farms via walling off, vision and men nearby, have spread out disorganized buildings,spread out disorganized units that are eazy to pick off. you cannot run from mele cavalry, they are too fast so you often cant avoid lost fights, only solution is to have large enough groups. try atacking carth player directly , if they are massing sowrd cav, as they will likely have a very weak base defended by archer/spear

i see, as i thought its prob a bug/problem in the game. Perhaps some mod we use is messing it up? autociv, feldmod is what i have rn.

controll+left click to atack move, often controll doenst register, units just move ofc causing gg. has anyone had this problem before? i keep checking the key im pressing right after it doesnt work, and it is indeed controll so not a mistake on that part.

it works now, get direct download guys if you dont wanna waste time.