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The games of berhudar look different with no attack-walk commands in such a high ammount. Also the sniping is not so spread out.

Stockfish's games show the similar high ammount of attack-walks mixed in. It seems his clicking frequency is set higher than sanafurs.

Here we see a normal sniping in action. The green units are targeting the red ones in one turn.

Here we can see the sniping fail and giving half of the army the order to attack a field

In this plot one can see sanafur giving attack-walk commands in a similar frequency like the attack commands commands.txt

Here is a mod which colorizes the attacker (green) and the target (red) of the selected player in a replay. It goes OOS, but you can click the warning away. Don't use it in games or as a spectator of live games though. The code is from elexis, I only packed it in a mod. I viewed some games. I the fast sniping of sanafur and Stockfish is done by -the firmware of the mouse -or some software that translates a held key While they hold this clicker-key, the repeated mouse clicks are automated in a high frequency. They can move the mouse meanwhile fast over units that shall be sniped. Depending on the speed of the cursor movement a target can be assigned a different number of attackers. The targets are quite near of each other. The attacking units are random from the army (with big gaps). The sniping is not so sophisticated, like choosing wounded units and assigning correct number of projectiles to take one out, as one would expect from a script. The clicking is done in combination with held ctrl-alt key. Ctrl has the effect that the attacker will attack a unit when clicked on it, but when cursor goes over a spot over the ground the unit gets a attack-walk command and thus attacking the next target. This is not harmful like a walk command which would have been send without the ctrl button. Alt gives the command to only one unit per click and removes it from the selection. When the attacked army is on a field, the attack-work does not work but rather the field gets attacked by a lot of units. You can see in the following plots that sanafur and Stockfish gives a high number of attack-walk commands during sessions of sniping. Not in every game, but usually. So occasionally they can hover over good selectable units. This is a form of cheating and abuse. E.g. in minecraft one can get a benefit by clicking fast, see: https://cpstest.org/kohi-click-test.php attack_viewer.zip

That's annoying. I got matplotlib 3.9.2, so quite new (instead of what they wrote). And for me the other way don't work: AttributeError: 'Legend' object has no attribute 'legendHandles' I don't want to include some checks to execute different code for different versions of matplotlib ... So I agree, if you have a similar issue, replace it yourself, sorry (-.-)

Oh, good I aborted after I heard my fans blow up and tested afterwards in a test directory with only 10 replays. This should be fixed but I only tested it in the test directory again. This can be run on only one case with multiprocess = False and a specified path (good for editing/debugging etc.) Can process a part of your database (first 10% in batches) limit number of processes (is set on 4 for now) delete pngs (good to delete all the pngs named sigle) multiprocess = False # you can specify to handle which part of your db you want process. # E.g. test with [0, 10] and if it works in a reasonable time do [10, 100] next. # in percent process_part_database = [0, 10] parallel_processes = 4 path = "2024-11-13_0009/" # for single game delete_pngs = False game_analyzer.py

Thanks, should all be in the single_game_analyzer.py too. Also I wrote si[N]gle in one chart... Still some to improve but the basis is better now.

This is a new update. Its a version for single games, that's easier to change, adapt, debug etc.. And one with the multiprocessing. For my Pc it didn't run through all games within my limited patience, so I tested it only in a folder with 10 games. It deletes .png files in the folders where it finds a commands.txt, so if you have stored pngs in your replay folder save them elsewhere. But I assume you might ran the old version and want the updates in the folders. Apart from already discussed command-analysis it features Colors are now in game colors Legend moved outside of the plot If you have a metadata.json of the game also: the eco_score of used resource (instead of gathered resources) units trained over time The attached figures are from the first game of the sanafur games that has also zoomed figures on page 2 in this thread. single_game_analyzer.py

This site has some interesting tests: https://www.arealme.com/apm-actions-per-minute-test/en/ But this is a bit too difficult. That record is 733 apm or 12.22 clicks per second or 2.44 clicks per turn Their cps test is nice displayed, but too easy (this should have a world record of 105 cps): https://www.arealme.com/click-speed-test/en/

The highest of sanafur is 58 per turn (0.2 seconds). 58 / 0.2 = 290 clicks per second. The world record is (presumably) 1051 clicks per 10 seconds for clicking on any spot. World record speed per turn would be 1051 / 10 * 0.2 = 21 clicks per turn. But this is not clicking on any spot.

I think it is about using just as many arrows on one target as necessary to take it out. Not more, not less arrows. The queue would only do the command after the prior target died and I thought for a long time that's how most players snipe. I could update the script of yours to also show other commands, like pressing H, sniping with queue etc.. But I'd want to clean up the graphs and code first until I blow it up.

This is the first spike of 10 commands: turn 4273 200 cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[333],"target":8632,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[334],"target":8632,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[335],"target":8632,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[336],"target":8632,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[337],"target":8634,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[6278],"target":8629,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[6354],"target":8629,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[6454],"target":8629,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[6475],"target":8634,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[6592],"target":8634,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} end So the first 4 units attack one target (8632), then comes one attacking 8634, then 3 attacking 8629 and 2 attacking 8634. So even in one turn there is no multiplicator to find.

Unless it's a toggle It doesn't seem really useful to build three cs when you only want one If I'd do, it I'd use a dedicated key with the multiplier to avoid this. One for usual play, the other for sniping. But this explanation does not make sense to me. Here is a zoom to the first burst of the first figure of the sanafur part. The sequence is 10, 6, 4, 8, 4, 8, 4, 7, 13, 8, 5, 8, 5... so the sniping is no multiplication of 2 or (like claimed) 3.

A single attack looks like this in the commands.txt: cmd 8 {"type":"attack","entities":[10681],"target":8109,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false,"formation":"special/formations/null"} The one unit with the entity ID 10681 get the command to attack unit 8109, not queued. AFAIK this can be done either selecting the unit and right click on the enemy unit or selecting this unit and other units with higher entity IDs and hold alt right click on the enemy unit A group command looks like this: cmd 6 {"type":"attack","entities":[452,6571,6572],"target":203,"queued":false,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false} The units 452 6571 and 6572 get the command to attack the unit 203 at the same time probably with one control group and just right click. this should look something like this: cmd 1 {"type":"attack","entities":[9341,9342],"target":9345,"queued":true,"pushFront":false,"allowCapture":false,"formation":"special/formations/null"} so with "queued":true. In these two plots it should always be not queued as this is the pattern I was looking for. Please check the replay and think what you would do in the situation on the timestamp. Maybe you can replicate it.

These are other games with berhudar who reaches quite high values but not every time. Sorry for the big legends.

For normal clicks. There's "advanced" techniques like Jitter-, Butterfly- and Drag-clicking up to 30+cps. But I think someone with drag-clicks would miss a lot of soldiers i.e. with alt-click send units with walk.

https://clickspeedtest.com/ says: According to Recordsetter - a website that lets player post record for everything, Per the same website, Dylan Allred from Las Vegas holds the world record for most mouse clicks in 10 seconds. The data suggest that Allerd click the mouse 1,051 times in 10 seconds. Assuming they have some verification for this records. With a smooth game that would be 1051 / 10 * 0.2 = 21 clicks per turn. Then additionally to this you'd need also point on the target and then click (not just clicking like this test)

Yeah, since you can know which unit gets this command. (just for clarity 130 in the total game [number in the legend], you had 6 per turn max.)

But note that you need more than one or two games. I also encourage to look at the turn in the text file if you found something to double check. Attached is one game that seems suspicious with berhudar and weirdJokes and others, but if you look at other games of weirdJokes (berhudar has only one upload) you don't see him with that high of a number. I think this was a heavy lagging game since a lot of players have such high values. e.g. just glancing at total number of commands: https://replay-pallas.wildfiregames.ovh/Replays/ReplayDetails/46D647BA5A8FA5C8 https://replay-pallas.wildfiregames.ovh/Replays/ReplayDetails/C7CF37877668B4F0

Put the script in the right folder: On Windows (Vista or newer): C:\Users\{name_of_user}\Documents\My Games\0ad\replays\ On OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/0ad/replays/ On Linux: ~/.local/share/0ad/mods/ (may be found in GUI via Home/.local/share/0ad/replays/) Adjust line 8 to be the folder containing the replay: path = "0.0.26/1ADDA938C7135CC0/" # stockfish; max. 96, total 1407 Install dependencies: small: matplotlib, numpy, python 3; (Or I use Spyder [on Windows install Anaconda] if you'd like to use a visual variable explorer, but not necessary just to run this). run the script: python load_replay.py 2 Figures get saved to the folder containing the replay and also pop up as windows in which you can zoom, pan etc.

Here is a zoom on the sanafur-Decger game. Apart from the one spike of 30 he gets rarely over 4 and max. 7. You reached 5 here in one game too. Maybe you can try and send a command.txt? The big difference is that it's in every game over 10 min. of sanafur and Stockfish that I checked. Decger and you have it on rare occasions.

Sure, better hardware gives an advantage, but I don't see a benefit in this case. Lets assume you hold down a extra mouse button that clicks 1000 times per second. In combination with holding alt and hovering the mouse over enemies you'd send units a walk command in between when the cursor is not on a enemy unit. In combination with attack-walk it would be the same as the attack-walk alone.

Yes, other ways to attack are (all not counted in the diagrams here): attack-walk (ctrl+Q+right-click) Is good for the starting of a battle when you face an enemy that is not tightly grouped. If units run loosely with this method in a tight group of enemies they die fast in a outnumbered fight. stop activity (H-key) Let the selected units drop all activities with a aggressive stance results attacking the nearest target very fast. Good for complex situations. Also good if your units have a locked target, the target retreats and there are other targets in range. So your units don't spend time walking but attacking. group sniping (select a group right-click) Makes sense to take out heroes (and their aura on the army), siege and in small battles with e.g. 5 riders to take out wounded units. With other plots like these I like to see some habits other players have. The stop activity is heavily underutilized imo. of middle strong players that might not even know this can be used in that way. It's not so easy, or what do you mean? You'd rather not be able to take out heroes or siege? Commanding a catapult on a CC would also be considered single unit attack (unqueued). I don't want to lose that control. I don't see a general problem in this mechanic. Imo. a rounded use of all the techniques described above usually makes sniping with a lot alt+rightclick of big groups not a good choice. It's very apm intensive and too little rewarding compared to other tasks. You can see some top players not using this at all in these graphs.