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if we limit the kinds of jobs CS can do, we don't even need to make CS labor efficiency negatively correlated with combat experience. In my opinion, the main producers of resources should be civilians, and slaves can highlight metal and stone mining capabilities. CS is actually to complete the work that the civilians and slaves who collect resources can't find time to do, such as building buildings, especially building new CCs in an unsafe environment in the wild.

We need civilians of both genders who can do all the work. In addition to fighting, the main job of the infantry should be logging and building buildings (especially barracks). And the cavalry should stay in the stables to gain experience rather than hunting.

As a result of the game's separation of women from male commoners, it limited the kinds of work women could do, and they were not as good as men in logging wood or mining metals and stones. Even higher farming efficiency than men's is just an unrealistic "compensation". Otherwise, if women lag behind men in overall labor efficiency, who will train women laborers? But in reality, women can often cooperate with men and complete a lot of work efficiently. So I hate this division, because the result of division is that women are marginalized, and many players will delete women in the later stage and replace them with citizen soldiers.

On the surface, it seems that 0AD merges civilians and soldiers to make the mechanism more concise, but in fact it shapes three different laborers - women, infantry and cavalry, making the mechanism more complex.

But actually if you can build granary in neutral area, you don't need cavalry to have meat gathering function. In my opinion, because civilians are inconvenient to hunt -> need cavalry as fast meat gatherers -> cavalry needs to be trained in P1 -> need to consider the strength of cavalry in P1. It's not a strategy, it's just creating more problems that wouldn't have arisen in order to solve some small problems, making the whole mechanism more complex and difficult to balance.

I also prefer AoE3, which has a lot of interesting mods despite its imperfections. Also I think Microsoft is really lazy, they have time to make more DLC for AoE2, but they don't have time to give each nation's soldiers a look that is more in line with the historical display, this is partly because AoE2 is not a 3D game, making A moving soldier model is more troublesome than making a building model, but this does not exist in AoE3, you just need to import a 3D model.

AoE3 came up with a lot of new ideas and game mechanics, and like Age of Mythology, Age of Mythology is the game that really gets overlooked, even though I love it.

The question is why the cavalry has the positioning of meat gatherers. Essentially, prey is not much different from a berry bush, because even if you kill all the prey, their carcasses won't rot. The difference is just that most of the prey is far away from the CC, you don't want to spend time driving them, if you can set up a resource recycling point near the prey (like there are working elephants in India), then the gatherers don't need to run fast , and actually does not need a collection efficiency as high as 5, because the purpose of this high efficiency is to make up for the time-consuming and cavalry cost of long-distance round trips.

What do you think when the game adds arson (in fact, the siege damage of cavalry and infantry), how should the structure capture be positioned? I've nerfed capture in the mirror mod, and I hope players can only take undefended buildings with peace of mind after completely smashing enemy resistance.

These ideas aren't really new, because it's 2022 and we can take inspiration from a lot of games.

I could have given this higher efficiency to infantry and women as well. The essence of the problem is that the cavalry is designed to be "fast and efficient meat collectors" because it takes too much time to drive the prey or go back and forth from the prey to the resource recovery point. Why won't AoE3 have this design? Because AoE3's resource recycling point is the civilian itself, wherever it kills its prey, it can be recycled on the spot.

Attack speed,single damage, hit rate, block (can be expressed as melee defense).

I am different from wow in some ideas. He wants to cancel some unique settings of 0AD in the mod, and I want to adjust them. For example, I find it interesting that a unit becomes an elite through combat. What I want to do is to make the combat experience obtained by a unit no longer related to its armor and weapons, and combat experience should be more important than armor and weapons.

假如骑兵不能很快的从领土内的粮仓和领土外的猎物之间快速来回，那么根本就不会有人想到给它5倍于步兵的肉类收集速度。 如果你能在猎物旁边建造一座粮仓，让后就近回收肉类，你为什么还需要骑兵去打猎？ If the cavalry can't quickly go back and forth between the granary in the territory and the prey outside the territory, then no one would think of giving it 5 times the meat collection speed of the infantry. Why do you need cavalry to hunt if you can build a granary next to the prey to recycle the meat nearby?

Of course I know this. The main issue that affects hunting efficiency is whether you can build a granary in a neutral area. The reason why the cavalry has such a high meat collection efficiency is because he runs fast and can quickly travel back and forth between the prey and the granary.

Can come up with more abundant hunting tools, such as boomerangs.

It is also common to pick up branches and use them as sticks, civilians generally do not use specialized weapons when fighting.

I have an idea that civilians should be given bows and javelins specifically for hunting, in other words giving them a way to attack beasts so they can hunt as efficiently as soldiers. And still use daggers (in fact, sticks are better) when attacking people, because labor tools and combat weapons are separate, otherwise civilians have more reason to fight with logging axes, hoes, sickles and pickaxes.

Most of the settings that I think need to be changed, I have implemented in the mod, and there is a list in the update mod post. In addition, there are some topics that have been discussed recently, such as adding arson, and having a standard full tech tree as a template. I think 0AD is limited by some settings like Citizens-Soldiers, Territories, Capture, not that these settings are not needed, but these mechanics make the game too rigid at the moment.

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The price is that players who are not used to the A23 will gradually abandon the game. I started recommending 0AD to Chinese RTS players 4 years ago, and it was during this process that I began to absorb their opinions to make the Mirror mod. If the alpha cannot be changed in the future, then I will implement it in the module. This at least has another option for some players.

I'm wondering why they're unhappy, isn't that how Age of Mythology and Age of Empires 3 are set up?

This requires changing the current citizen-soldier system, adding citizens of both genders, and allowing them to complete the collection of various resources. Player P1 cannot train any soldiers. In this stage, there should be no fighting between players, all they have to do is to accumulate enough buildings and populations to prepare for the next stage to fight. This is not to say that the setting of citizens-soldiers is completely abolished, but I think at least soldiers should no longer be able to collect metals and stones. Fighting should be the main work of soldiers, and collecting materials should only be a sideline.

Then it seems we should call it "wilderness mode".

It won't make any difference, as you still need to build a CC to train more civilians. In fact, nomadic mode is quite an interesting design for Age of Empires 3 where the map will generate random terrain, because you have to explore unknown terrain to find a good place to settle down, but for the terrain is fixed 0AD, just Lack of fun. To a certain extent, if this mode is to be interesting, the design of citizens-soldier and territory needs to be removed.