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@SevdaI think they would still be op as infantry units due to the targeting behavior of ranged units (melee first). I agree that that would be a nerf, and that being cavalry is the main way they are able to be so easily massed. There is an older and more involved thread on balancing the unit, and I think it will remain a cavalry unit in a26.

If you opponent is not iberians, I suggest making a few of your own cav and raiding farmers instead of engaging enemy cavalry (you will be outnumbered). Killing farmers does 2 things: reduces food income, and increases food expense because they need to train new women for farms. Any food that your enemy does not have is food they can't spend on cavalry. If your opponent is distracted, then even just 12-20 cav are enough to wipe out food economy. A hero can be used the same way because they usually kill women in 1 hit. After this you force your enemy to make infantry by attacking him with your own infantry, and if he has only stables and just 1-2 barracks he will lose for sure. I know cav is a bit op this alpha, and acceleration hopefully can be leveraged to make them less survivable. I also think melee cav should have a debuff versus palisades, but this is separate discussion.

Cavalry can carry fuel.

Trickle from the beginning sounds good too. It could go to upgrades or mercs. What is interesting to me is how much metal rate would be balanced compared to ptol bonus?

Maybe it could be combined with allowing the civs mercs to be trained from the market if their ally is mace.

Yea that’s pretty mean of Trashy. It of course is no problem that you don’t play perfectly, this can be adjusted for in balancing and can make for perfectly fun games. For Trashy himself, I would say that he should give advice, and communicate early and not be a jerk if things go poorly.

Macedonians are very powerful this alpha, they get great skirmcav mercenaries and skirm+pike infantry which is great. They have a hero that buffs siege, and their crossbow champions can be very useful to counter pikemen's meat shield effect. It is actually not that common to use the market exploit because (in my experience) it is not consistent, sometimes I turned 1000 stone into 1700 metal and other times I turned 5000 of each into 7000 of each.

If you trade back and forth between the same resources, the rate behavior increases, so it is pretty easy to generate resources.

There’s no way that’s not a bug tho right? Surely we can come up with a more creative and more balanced hero aura than -10 hp/second. This will either be too little range—> useless or too much range—> game-breaking. What is the historical context for the hero? Wei Qing was a leader who remarkably rose from poverty to take on his roles. Perhaps this can “inspire” his troops and they rank up 1.5x as fast as normal. I think this is way more balanced and has implications for the units you select for his armies.

Perhaps at 2/3 the rate of ptol food bonus since it “wood” be more OP in early game. ^weirdjoke for you lol I definitely think we need competitive and creative economic team bonuses. Britons Persians Carthage Athens

Good point. Sometimes, the power of particular units is hidden by trends in gameplay. Before fall 2021 few players did "merc rushes" with cav or inf and at the same time there were lots of complaints about consular bodyguard. I think after all the merc-cav proliferation, Romans are less able than ever to get their champions because they need to fight earlier in defense or offense because of extra p2 activity that is caused by mercenary attacks. I would argue that consular bodyguard are still OP (too much armor), its just we don't see them very often due to mercs. I am not saying that merc rushes should not exist (they are very exciting/fun), just that it obscures other balance issues.

For TGs at least ( I am a bing bong who does not play 1v1), Mace is stronger overall because the merc is more OP in general, in terms of counter-pike, mace have a great option with the crossbows, while seles best one I think is mercenary archer. Macedonians biggest downside I think is their lack of antiram, which can make for situations that are very unfortunate. I like the seleucid cavalry especially with hero, but they have no "bread" to spread their melee cav champions over, like mace and romans do. I have a lot of fun with seles but mace win more I think.

+minimap OP

I can't take that much hate XD. iber players get used to walls so it does not slow them down.

I liked firecav in a24. It was not as easy as it is now since you had to trade to get them and also navigate a sea of fortresses and towers with overlapping ranges, as well as being blocked by enemy units. Back and forth would go on for 20-30 minutes without a real attack, then ddos XD.

What if the woman and spartan go in at the same time? Maybe just keep track of your units and beware of the value/cost of entering the walls if you sneak in. I have never seen anyone get this heated about iber walls. In my opinion, the only OP thing about iber walls is that you can keep all your farms inside there and you are safe from raiding in late game which happens in about 80% of TGs. If cav become less survivable in a26, then this will be less important. Firecav need nerf, we already know. I have played some iberians with firecav banned and I can say it is great fun. + I love trapping people in walls and it 1000% is a good mechanic.

@Yekaterinawolollwow, the player, was named after this Monk conversion sound feature from AoE. It became a meme.

If chariots are slower than most cav it would probably be ok.

Is there any way to limit the degree range of the "turret" function of those chariots. I was thinking front 180 degrees would be nice, since that way they would not win running directly away. Making them from siege workshop would be interesting, and I think if they are stationary, the guy driving the chariot could also be a javelineer or archer. I am interested in this topic and I think it would be nice to do it for Axemen too, (or are they already their own class?) Right now axemen are basically swords with a little crush dmg. Axe is easier to learn than sword, so maybe less xp to rank?

Mmm, I was hoping that acceleration would be a feature that does not affect infantry units, but rather just cavalry. Hopefully it can look more like this after we play pre-release versions.

Please understand: There are games with actual gigantic budgets that don't perform as well as 0ad. Developers work hard on lag and performance issues, but they are not easy tasks. Some maps have more lag than others. When units try to path through overlapping Baobab trees it causes a lot of lag. I think the least laggy map is mainland with subalpine biome. Also, if you are on multiplayer some lag can be from players with bad connections. I hope you can manage the lag and continue to consider the game.

True but none of those are as noob friendly as Indibil. XD

My preference would be to add champions to fortress. But to leave champions in barracks but have the upgrade only apply to one barracks/ stable at a time. Add 150 stone 200 wood to that upgrade. Same way towers are upgraded to stone tower. Animation not needed unless someone is up to the task. I think this would increase the time to mass champions to an unbeatable level. Champions are intended to supplement army or do specialty missions, so we would see more reasonable usage with these changes. Edit: well champ spam is not so bad apart from a couple broken cavalry types. So perhaps such a change is not necessary for barracks.

One time I saw FRENCH_GOD join a 4v4 as spec. I said immediately "Hello Dakara", and he asked if I could see his IP, lol. I never even saw the account before. I can ususally tell if I know them well enough or if its obvious enough. I think it is fun/funny to guess on smurfs, but I dont think they should be subjected to the "smurf inquisition".

I am not sure what the benefit of friendly fire would be for 0ad. Some ideas for breaking the melee=shield, ranged=dps situation are: attack-ground increased melee inf dmg 9% charging for melee units minimum range I could imagine friendly fire on catapults, but this would require more control over them from the player.