Grapjas

Just to double check, you mean the Rhodian hoplites were using lead projectiles? Or did you mean slingers in general? I was aware of these lead projectiles but i still thought stones found on terrain were more common (which is exactly why im removing stone cost for slingers). The plan for slingers right now is, they regain ammo anywhere slowly (to sort of mimic finding stones, thus regaining ammo), while other ranged can re-arm at military buildings. In any case, lead projectiles could serve well as a tech in the forge. Giving slingers more range and more attack but as a drawback they would need to re-arm at the military buildings from that point on. I also wonder if romans should have slingers aswell, and removing javelineers for them but giving the champion and/or basic swordsman 1 or 2 jav ammo. Thanks for the suggestion, i was aware

Would love it if the Lobby would mention what mod the room is using, instead of turning grey and out of sight at the bottom. Could be done in a column left side of players. Or make the columns draggable + resizeable.

I'd say it changes the gameplay quite a bit. If your army is heavily wounded, you can get chased and slaughtered while retreating because healthy enemy units can actually catch up with you now. The trick would be to utilize the new field camps + healers in either neutral or enemy territory. It definitely needs some testing from players against players though.

That's quite interesting indeed. Could make the Rhodian hoplite as a mercenary or a special limited unit in my mod. And give them slings along with the ordanary hoplite kit with less ammo and range (i assume they had full armor on?) than a normal lightweight slinger. Is it known why only a few did this? Were they men with more skill than others for example (because in this case i would make it a special rank)? And yeah i figured the ammo would be hard to figure out. Would be interesting to know if like for example nubian archers carried bigger quivers with them than the mauryan archers. Would love to add such small details, even if it's like a 2 arrow difference in ammo.

Thanks, yeah im aware of that mod. But i'm just looking for historical references in battle kits used by soldiers in that time for that civ. Wiki isnt reliable if it mentions no sources imo (and in this case it often doesnt mention sources), so thats where i really need help. The plan is to make the weapons visible on them at all times, and actually make them switch weapons (which already works).

Hi, Currently i'm working on giving some units a secondary attack in my mod. It's making progress, but realism is of great importance for me. So i'm wondering if historians on this forum would like to help providing references on what extra weapon(s) these soldiers would have had in their kit for that civilization. All units are open for discussion but the units that have priority would be the following: Javelineers (both cavalry and infantry) Slingers Archers (both cavalry and infantry) I'm also looking for references on how much ammo ranged soldiers would carry with them. Currently i have it like this: Javelineer 5, Archers 24, Slingers 50. Thanks in advance

@Angen did some of these things already with his battalion mod. Speaking of which, i still need to ask if i can use some of his code So, @Angen can i please use your code from that mod?

Planned features can now be found on github.

It's arguably not really realistic. They used stones they could find on the terrains and didnt need crafting. There were crafted clay bullets and metal bullets too, but stone was just picked up from the ground.

Seeing a trader isnt all that useful either tbh. Most people place their market at the back of the base / edge of the map and a decent player makes sure they walk it too. So you can already guess where those things are very likely to be and they are hard to defend because they get wiped in a blink of an eye and your military will likely be somewhere else to respond to it in time. EDIT: Besides, what happens if the player doesn't have traders? Gone metal? E.g. what you want to know: Why has the opponent suddenly stopped attacking even though he was aggressive? Probably will reposition to attack someone else or waiting for a regroup from another player. Those are situations where a bribe can be useful. So you then choose that player to bribe for 50 metal. You get displayed X number of units for X amount of time, i liked @wowgetoffyourcellphone possibility that you can get crappy info. Too bad. Next bribe will cost you X more than usual. I could see some people use that, even though others won't. Maybe bribe should be something very short. 3-5s you see all selected player units before they return to FOW. Right now yes , but even then i dont think it gets used. It's exactly why a rework is suggested to make it more interestingly.

Maybe instead of only 1 person that gets bribed it should randomly bribe a handful of people, like 5 or maybe even 10 at once for 15s. Along with the escalating metal costs for each bribe or a hard game limit to make sure it doesnt get to spammy in case someone has good metal income from traders.

Nah not at all, alot of work can be done by even one person and there are numerous examples of this right here on this forum by many modders, i was simply generally speaking and not meant offensive. However i do understand that what i'm proposing involves alot more work then slapping a simple buff on something. Being ambitious isnt bad though, and often overthinking things (adding all the negatives) can make sure progress will barely get made. As for some unique unit: Something like an engineer for rome could be interesting. Or maybe unlocking a tech that lets units build roads that increases walking speed of units for faster military mobilization. There is likely much more to be found for each civ that could be added when digging a little deeper but i guess you get the point. Don't really think you have to have something ready in hours as A25 as far as i know is not around the corner tbh (but i understand there are more tasks). Besides, civ uniqueness has become a hot topic, adding a unique unit/tech could do well. But honestly it's not just a matter of whether it's possible, it's also about willingness to work on it.

"Metal/Stone Mine has been depleted!" "Hero_Name has arrived on the battlefield!" "Our nation's Hero has died!"

With a unique unit i actually meant a new unit. Just because it's unique doesnt mean it has to be strong though in terms of attack/defense. I think there can be quite a number of unique units still be added to the game if you're not looking purely for military units. In fact, utility units is exactly what this game kind of lacks. Just an opinion though. However, avoiding adding units because you have to do more balance work sounds like dodging work to me

Meh imo i think it's fine the way it is, optional.

Could make the price increase (like +200 metal) per bribe you do.

Personally don't see the issue tying a unique unit/tech to a wonder even with the reason you stated. I would be much more willing to build a wonder for a special unit instead of some boring +xx% bonus

Don't wanna hijack the other post from @wowgetoffyourcellphone but it got the ball rolling. so decided to make a seperate thread instead. My suggestion something along the lines of: A: Make Espionage exclusive to village phase but reduce the cost. Expand vision to support units of the player you selected to bribe. B: Make the amount of times you can Espionage limited to something like 3 times a game. Expand vision to buildings of the player you selected to bribe. Make it have a timer till the vision goes away again <- currently cant be modded, it would require some work on the C++ side of the engine.

Could limit it to 3 times per game only, and besides that, it is quite costly.

I think it's going off topic, One more thing though I fully agree then that it needs to expand. Wouldn't mind if bribing lasts for 1 minute, but you can see everything from the selected player (except training/tech queues though).

Hmm i understand that tech a little different (never used it though). I think it is across all units but the historical explanation is intel came from traders. Not sure though.

Sounds like something you would only be able to see if you have bribed enemy units, maybe players will actually start bribing units then, lol. EDIT: For clarification, i mean the Espionage tech from CC

I like the idea of multiple one time choice but not the stats. +xx att speed type boosts are a little overused at this point imo. Something like produce champs faster or unlock a new special unit/building would be more interesting.

On A23 i played quite some games that used wonders in them but they were mainly on games with low max pop limit. A24, idk though. But i agree they could use a more critical look on how they are atm.

Shouldn't be hard to implement, look for the Health~grapejuice component in my mod. I've tagged the code used for the mod with a comment. You would need to place your code inside that if statement