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  1. Just to be clear - ships only unload onto shore if they are destroyed while at the shore. If the ship is well away from shore, all the units will die, and you can't manually ungarrison them before it sinks either, and both of those things are good. You do take a risk when loading your ship with units. Also, making the player click to unload instead of unloading automatically on destruction doesn't affect the theoretical risk of filling the ship with units. A good player would always be able to unload just before the ship sinks, assuming the ship is at the shore. So your proposed change would not really affect balance among skilled players. For buildings - I don't think there should be any damage to units when the building is destroyed. In ancient combat the enemy was never able to actually collapse a stone fortification like a demolition. They would at most punch a hole in the wall or collapse part of it. That's not going to kill many if any defenders by itself. It might be different for wooden buildings, that could be burned, but the most common case where you'd be worried about defenders dying is when the fortress or CC is destroyed, and both would presumably be stone fortifications. Ancient sieges were characterized by huge stone city walls. The core realism issue is that a ship that is fighting "near the shore" is also considered to be docked at the shore. A ship that's docked can certainly load and unload units, and if someone destroys a ship in dock it's reasonable that most of the people onboard could get to shore. But a ship that's docked should not be able to fight or move. In 0ad docked ships can move and fight - not realistic, but it explains why units can survive a sinking ship or why they can unload from the ship at the last moment.
  2. If you think it's ridiculous that the units unload to the nearest shore when the ship is destroyed - don't you think it's equally ridiculous that the units can unload to the nearest shore an instant before the ship is destroyed? If you are in an ancient sea battle and your ship has been 99% destroyed by enemy fire, it's a floating wreck unable to maneuver. You couldn't get it onto shore or really do anything with it before it takes that final 1% damage. If the sailors are able to make it to shore from a disabled hulk at 1% hp (bringing all their siege equipment and horses etc with them), they would also be able to make it to shore as that hulk starts to sink. In real ancient sea battles, there weren't any lifeboats and not much chance of evacuating the crew and cargo from a damaged ship during the battle. I might like a solution that made ship unloading take some time, say ten units per second. That way you couldn't just unload the entire ship the turn before it is destroyed.
  3. Hardly anybody even knows that not all units will automatically ungarrison from a sinking ship, or which types of units will do so. It's not something that's easily discoverable from playing the game. A strategy game ought to be discoverable through playing it, without hidden gameplay secrets only devs know about. If your ship full of horses or priests fails to ungarrison when it sinks, the average player is more likely to figure it's because the ship wasn't close enough to shore, or there was only enough space on the shore to unload the infantry but not the priests. It's not realistic that units will make it to shore if their king tells them to do it an instant before the ship sinks, but aren't able to do that on their own. People on a sinking ship would take their own initiative to save their lives. It's irritating when your units act excessively dumb. It's like bad pathfinding. It's a similar kind of user interface problem as deleting buildings just before the capture bar reaches 50%. If you want siege engines to go down with the ship, there are better ways. For example, there could be a "swim to shore unload range" that is greater than the ordinary unload range and only activates when the ship sinks, but does not apply to siege engines.
  4. The siege weapons make it to shore if you get them out half a second before the ship sinks. It seems just arbitrary.
  5. You can ungarrison the *moment* before the building is destroyed, though. So it would just mean the units live if you ungarrison a split second earlier, and die if you ungarrison a split second too late. It would have almost no effect as long as the player is alert to ungarrison beforehand. So, I think the building should just ungarrison all of them when it's destroyed, as it does now. IMO ships should also ungarrison everything when destroyed, instead of only certain undocumented unit types. It's counterintuitive that only some of the units will automatically ungarrison, when you could ungarrison all of them if you clicked to do it one turn earlier.
  6. You don't usually have to pay much attention to the scout. Just select it and then shift-click repeatedly on the map so it follows a path to explore around your base. The reason auto-scouting would be nice is that on maps with a lot of impassable terrain such as mountains, your waypoints will make the scout backtrack a lot. Auto-scouting would make mountain maps as easy to explore as open maps.
  7. Ideal bell system: The bell should only work on women. I normally do not want to garrison the soldiers using the bell. I want to direct the soldiers manually. Consider that soldiers do more damage outside of towers/fort/CC than they do inside. The main purpose of garrisoning soldiers when the enemy attacks is to prevent capture, and this should be done on a case by case basis if the enemy is trying to capture. The market should also have a bell that works on all your traders anywhere and makes them garrison in your own or allied buildings. There should be a hotkey to ring/un-ring the bell (once CC is selected) so you can respond quicker to raids. The bell should reserve spots for units so it won't try to garrison 30 units into a 20 garrison limit building. This would reduce the impact of raids because women would more quickly find safety instead of milling around getting slaughtered. If you select women and manually garrison them in the CC or houses without ringing the bell, the "safe" bell should put them back to work. This would reduce the impact of raids because it lets you manually garrison just the women that are in immediately danger, and easily put them back to work afterwards. A smaller-radius bell should also exist on the storehouse. This would let you garrison just your woodcutters. No alert status on units! This would greatly simplify the implementation and prevent bugs. Just two bells, "alert" and "safe," that you can ring at any time. When the "alert" bell is rung, all women in range try to garrison, and remember their previous task. If a woman is working and you select her and tell her to garrison or move (without using the bell), she will also remember her previous task. When the "safe" bell is rung, all women in range that are garrisoned (or garrisoning, walking, or idle) will ungarrison and return to their previous task, like the back to work command. Not enough garrison spots: have them try to garrison somewhere. That at least gets them moving which makes them less of a target. If some units die on their way to a building, no orders change. See (7) above: no alert status. The bell is rung as a one time event that gives a garrison order to the affected units, it doesn't have any lasting effect after that. See how it simplifies things? The reserved spots are only calculated when you ring the bell, and forgotten after that. So, units continue with their orders. You could ring the bell a second time to recalculate the bell order.
  8. Formations are usually depicted as a square grid, each soldier directly behind the soldier in front of him. But circles and probably soldiers can be packed more densely in a hexagonal grid, with each row of soldiers offset 50% from the row in front of it. This would also enable the second row from the front to see ahead more clearly, since their vision wouldn't be blocked by the heads of soldiers in the front row, which would help the second row to stab at the enemy. (Of course, the overall formation can still be rectangular even though the rows are offset hexagonally.) Is there any clear primary evidence against this notion?
  9. See the strategy guide link in my signature. The "basic" initial build order is: batch 6 women at CC, 4 women make a farmstead at the berries, cavalry harvests chickens, 4 men make a storehouse at the wood, upgrade berries when the farmstead is done, first 6 women produced at the CC chop wood, next 5 women harvest berries, make a house when needed. This can only be done with Brits/Gauls and sometimes Iberians/Mauryans if the wood is close, otherwise the first house won't be done in time. With other non-ptol civs you can skip the berry upgrade in order to have wood for the house.
  10. Yes, age I cavalry is too strong. Some possible solutions: Cheaper sentry towers costing 50w instead of 100w Towers shoot 3 arrows by default Houses garrison 10 units instead of 6, or 5 instead of 3 CC can garrison 50 units (only the first 20 soldiers garrisoned add arrows) so you can put all your women farmers in the CC Make cavalry much weaker in age I, with an age II tech that makes them normal
  11. Off-topic, but I just realized your profile is a "hop"lite.
  12. Cavalry rushes are devastating. I recommend you take a look at some replays of borg- 1v1 matches to see how the game should be played. There are some in this thread:
  13. Sure... doesn't matter though.
  14. Some useful hotkeys: By editing your local.cfg, change your idle worker key to something that can be reached with your left hand while your right is on the mouse. I have idleworker = "G" Change your idle-only key to something that can be reached with the left hand. If you drag-select while holding down this key, it will select only idle units. I have idleonly = "V". If you use V, you should also put under [hotkey.session.queueunit] the setting 4="0" to disable the V hotkey for unit production. Know that alt+g (if you have my settings) selects all idle units instead of just 1. "How do I make a worker build a house and make him build another house when he's done with the first one automatically?" - To build two houses, tell the guy to build the first house. Then hold down shift as you place the foundation for the second house. The second house will be queued, and he will start constructing it when he's done with the first. Another common case is to tell the guy to build a house, and then hold shift as you click on a tree. That will make him chop the tree after finishing the house. "When I train batches of new units, do I need to left-click on the civic centre and then right-click to the resources/building/rally point to make them go/work automatically?" - yes. Although, you can select the CC and press ctrl-1 so now you can just type 1 instead of clicking on the CC thereafter. "How to train multiple batches and make a batch go work on different tasks automatically?" - Don't queue up more than one batch at a time in your CC. Hold shift and click on the unit to make a batch, and only when the batch finishes should you make the next batch. That enables you to make the next batch as large as possible (which is faster). To split a single batch to go to two different tasks, you would set the CC waypoint for the first task, and immediately when the batch finishes you would select some of the units and tell them to do the second task instead. "How do I know when there are no more berries or no more meat from hunted animals?" - just keep an eye on the workers. You can also press alt+G periodically (with my keybinding) to see if any units are idle. See also the strategy guide in my signature. (attached my local.cfg) local.cfg
  15. Here are a couple of simple fixes that could make it a lot easier to garrison units in ships. Ships should not move when you click to garrison a unit into them. This is a cause of many headaches, where the ship was already landed on the shore and you click for another unit to go into the ship, and the ship decides to move from away from the shore where you put it. Let units garrison into the ship from a short distance away from it such as 15m. They already ungarrison like that - let them garrison the same way. edit: I have submitted a patch for this.