Thales Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 In reviewing the manual unit list and Unit Summary Table; I did not see any (Athenian) particular unit being described as effective in combating elephants. I've been playing the Athenians, so I'm interested in learning more from their point-of-view. For example: Pezhetairos are listed as being -> "Good vs Cavalry and Infantry, .. " Which also raises the question: Are elephants in the "cavalry" category? Interesting from the Fadom Wiki page: "Hoplites Athenaikos (Athenian Hoplite) [50 f, 50 w, 1 pop, 10 sec]: Melee infantry unit. Deals triple damage against cavalry units." (emphasis added) Also: "Epilektos (City Guard) [100 f, 100 w, 50 m, 1 pop, 13 sec]: Champion melee infantry unit. Deals triple damage against cavalry units." (emphasis added) Besides the units themselves, what technological advances would be best against elephants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player of 0AD Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Elephants dont count as cavalry War elephants have lower pierce resistance than hack resistance. So you can fight them well with javelineers or slingers. Best athenian unit vs elephants might be the prodromos, because it can also flee easily from the elephant. All technologies which increase damage of soldiers are helpful vs elephants, but its not easy too strengthen the defense against them because their damage is mainly crush. They deal also hack damage so you can research also the hack armor technologies. The hero iphicrates increases also the crush resistance, so thats also helpful vs elephants - most other civs don't have such a bonus. Protect your ranged units with melee units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Why are slingers good vs. war eles? Shouldn't they just "shrug off" thrown stones? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetswaveaBook Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Thales said: Interesting from the Fadom Wiki page: That wiki is hopelessly outdated and for current game information you can ignore it. 12 hours ago, Thales said: I did not see any (Athenian) particular unit being described as effective in combating elephants. Currently the game is supposed to have a soft counter system. That means most units do not get a bonus against each other. Elephants have a weakness, namely their pierce armor is low. Also ranged units have an easier time hitting big targets and Elephants being slow does not help either. So ranged units are your best bet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 There are still some hardcounters for spear cavalry against other kinds of cavalry (1.75), and for spearmen against cavalry (3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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